Confirmed with Link: Shanahan, Dubas, Keefe all staying

[ACC1224]

Contending teams get out of the first round.

That's no longer a requirement.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Contending teams get out of the first round.

If they face another contending team in the first round, one won't.

 

[ShaneFalco]

That's no longer a requirement.

Nope cuz we can always say we barely lost

 

[Captain Crunch]

Yes, Hedman lifted Kerfoot's stick into his own face, but no, Keefe could not have challenged. You can't challenge a penalty. Refs have reviewed penalties on their own (in fact, did so for a high sticking call later in the playoffs), but chose not to in both that instance and the penalty directly preceding it where the stick didn't even touch his face.

Both teams in the series had their elite PP struggle at times against an elite PK. The PP was definitely frustrating to watch at times in the series, and I would have preferred to switch things up a bit more (especially since I think we switched up Rielly with Giordano one time and we scored), but I can also understand the idea of wanting your core players out in the defining moments of a playoff series. It's a bit unclear where fingers should be pointed (Keefe, PP coach, players), and it's a bit difficult to point too many fingers when we were the #1 PP in the league this year.

I don't think there's a specific established timeline. You evaluate how they are doing in their jobs and how the team is doing as you go along. If they keep making solid, logical moves and having a positive impact on the team, I don't see a reason to fire them. If they start negatively impacting the team and making stupid moves, then you replace them.

Putting Gio on the 1st unit PP was a smart move, I think. He has a much better shot than Rielly (and by shot I mean slapshot). And yes, they scored. But then Keefe puts Rielly right back on it the next PP. I guess there’s a fine line between a coach doing what is best for the team, or making sure he keeps his star players happy.

I guess timeline wasn’t the best word to use. And once again, there’s a fine line between being patient as opposed to waiting until it’s too late. Yes, they have shown improvement in the regular season, but still no playoff success. And yes, they took the 2x defending Cup champs to 7 games, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they will win at least a few rounds next season.

All that we can do is hope Dubas tinkers enough between now and next trade deadline to get us over the hump and into a nice deep playoff run.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Putting Gio on the 1st unit PP was a smart move, I think. He has a much better shot than Rielly (and by shot I mean slapshot). And yes, they scored. But then Keefe puts Rielly right back on it the next PP. I guess there’s a fine line between a coach doing what is best for the team, or making sure he keeps his star players happy.

I guess timeline wasn’t the best word to use. And once again, there’s a fine line between being patient as opposed to waiting until it’s too late. Yes, they have shown improvement in the regular season, but still no playoff success. And yes, they took the 2x defending Cup champs to 7 games, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they will win at least a few rounds next season.

All that we can do is hope Dubas tinkers enough between now and next trade deadline to get us over the hump and into a nice deep playoff run.

Playoffs who needs em! We have regular season success and stats that say we should have won pretty much every playoff series. And don't forget respect in the handshake line

 

[notbias]

He did use cap %

50% of it is tied into 4 forwards it's in the first sentence

You chose to respond to 3 words of my post, and you even got that wrong.

I said you need to use CH% when referring to the "no one over 10 million has won the cup" argument, because using fixed numbers is just dumb when the cap has gone up over the years.

If you had a player with 10 million in the first year of the cap being re-introduced he would have been taking up over 25% of the cap.

you want specifics i'll give you SPECIFICS

mix and match and these are just our players we were forced to move because we signed Johnny PJ's
Kadri
Hyman
Kap
Jonnsson

also could have kept Marleau and saved our first which they turned into Jarvis

it's funny when you and others use this argument since it's like your saying if JT came off the books this year we'd have no one to spend his cap hit on and we'd be forced to play 11m under the cap

I don't want three of those players at the cap they are at, or Marleau, even if we didn't sign JT, the only player that is worth their contract is Kadri (and Kapanen but he has other issues).

 

[Dreakmur]

If they face another contending team in the first round, one won't.

6 years in a row…. Bad luck!

 

[Nineteen67]

I‘m legit wondering who will win a series first, Seattle or the Leafs?
Could be quite a race.

 

[Brew]

6 years in a row…. Bad luck!

And here you are!

 

[ACC1224]

6 years in a row…. Bad luck!

Facing top contenders like Montreal and Columbus was indeed 'bad luck'.

 

[Apex Predator]

Markstrom hasn't been particularly great since he signed, to be fair, and he had arguably the most disastrous series of the playoffs this year. He (and anyone that signed him) would have been ripped to shreds here.

Yeah I agree just throwing a name out there. Regular season he was lights out though.

 

[francis246]

There is no way we can go back in history and name specific names. That is a straw man argument being as we are not GM’s so we would have no way of knowing who was available. However that doesn’t change the fact that the Leafs would be better off with a different balance of the cap. It seems the teams that are going further then us and winning rounds and winning cups found that balance. They found better goalies, better defence and many of them have much better bottom 6 in their forward group.
that is literally the job of the GM to go out, identify these needs and fulfill them

If there is no way of going back in history and naming specific names, why do you and other insist on bringing it up daily as if it’s a fact. You yourself can’t even name what the roster would look like in hindsight if we hadn’t signed JT. So how can you possibly claim the team would be better.

Simply put there is no factual way to determine if we would have been better using the money elsewhere.

Playing devils advocate here:

Jacob Markstrom was a free agent. He didn’t have the best playoff this year but he was a free agent. they wouldn’t trade Kadri and sign Markstrom. They have cap money to spend on a third line center and. Top 6 winger. We Cana assume the defense stays the same. Trevor Moore isn’t traded and plays in our bottom 6.

At the time Markstrom was up I would have still taken Campbell over Markstrom. Cheaper option and relatively similar play. Markstrom slightly better. Doesn’t have the greatest post season record.

Again I’m not sure a team without Tavares, and having Markstrom would have made this team better.. was Markstrom that much better than Campbell or Andersen through Tavares’ time in Toronto with those two goaltenders? Not really.

 

[Apex Predator]

If there is no way of going back in history and naming specific names, why do you and other insist on bringing it up daily as if it’s a fact. You yourself can’t even name what the roster would look like in hindsight if we hadn’t signed JT. So how can you possibly claim the team would be better.

Simply put there is no factual way to determine if we would have been better using the money elsewhere.



At the time Markstrom was up I would have still taken Campbell over Markstrom. Cheaper option and relatively similar play. Markstrom slightly better. Doesn’t have the greatest post season record.

Again I’m not sure a team without Tavares, and having Markstrom would have made this team better.. was Markstrom that much better than Campbell or Andersen through Tavares’ time in Toronto with those two goaltenders? Not really.

You have to look at it as what do they do with the money they saved on Tavares. You still have Kadri on the cheap deal. You don’t use the assets to trade for Campbell. You keep Trevor Moore who would be very good on the 3rd or 4th line. You use the money and improve depth on the bottom 6 or get a top 6 winger. There’s lots of possibilities.

Do Matthews and Marner ask for as much with no Tavares not here? Maybe you end up saving more money on their contracts and have more cap space to play with. These are all questions we will never know the answer to.

It is what it is at this point. You got to move on and figure out with what they have now how to get over the hump. These are fun hypotheticals and this is a message board so you can have these questions.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Who takes a step forward, though?

BOS is done
FLA is entering their cap problems
TB will be another year older, another year of more wear and tear
Don't think any of BUF/OTT/DET take huge leaps to beat us
NYR will be around the same, maybe improve if their young guys can get better
CAR doesn't have much room to improve from here, they lack high end offensive talent and you don't just pick that up as a final piece
WSH/PIT are on the decline
The rest of the metro isn't good enough


We're entering an interesting time in the eastern conference

As long as Tampa remain in the same division as TOR, they are still a force. Tampa can win a playoff series with great goaltending alone.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Who takes a step forward, though?

BOS is done
FLA is entering their cap problems
TB will be another year older, another year of more wear and tear
Don't think any of BUF/OTT/DET take huge leaps to beat us
NYR will be around the same, maybe improve if their young guys can get better
CAR doesn't have much room to improve from here, they lack high end offensive talent and you don't just pick that up as a final piece
WSH/PIT are on the decline
The rest of the metro isn't good enough


We're entering an interesting time in the eastern conference

Leafs haven't proven they an beat any team and with the holes we have.....

 

[ToneDog]

As long as Tampa remain in the same division as TOR, they are still a force. Tampa can win a playoff series with great goaltending alone.

Their coach is pretty good too. Gotta hope they get old or tired or bored or lose the will to win soon.

 

[Dekes For Days]

From what I can tell, there have only been 3 UFA goalie signings greater than 5m since 2018.

Bobrovsky was signed for 10.0m/year until he's 37, and so far, he has a +2.4 GSAx in 135 regular season games, and a +0.4 GSAx in 17 GP in the playoffs.
Markstrom was signed for 6.0m/year until he's 36, and so far, he has a +1.5 GSAx in 106 regular season games, and a +1.3 GSAx in 12 GP in the playoffs.
Grubauer was signed for 5.9m/year until he's 35, and so far, he has a -33.7 GSAx in 55 regular season games, and a +0.0 GSAx in 0 GP in the playoffs.

Look at all the amazing goaltending that our dang cap allocation has cost us.

 

[Havoc]

You have to look at it as what do they do with the money they saved on Tavares. You still have Kadri on the cheap deal. You don’t use the assets to trade for Campbell. You keep Trevor Moore who would be very good on the 3rd or 4th line. You use the money and improve depth on the bottom 6 or get a top 6 winger. There’s lots of possibilities.

Do Matthews and Marner ask for as much with no Tavares not here? Maybe you end up saving more money on their contracts and have more cap space to play with. These are all questions we will never know the answer to.

It is what it is at this point. You got to move on and figure out with what they have now how to get over the hump. These are fun hypotheticals and this is a message board so you can have these questions.

Explain why we can't keep kadri marchment moore if we sign Tavares. Don't make Tavares the scapegoat for Dubas stupidity after

Thought so.

You guys are spoiled beyond belief crying over Tavares 11 mil. Slap you with a nice Pageau-Palmieri and you'll cry for JT back asap

 

[Trapper]

Leafs haven't proven they an beat any team and with the holes we have.....

Ah the mark of a true champion.
We just have to wait until the other teams suck and hope nobody else gets good.

Then we are golden.

 

[Shooter2x]

JT has always been grossly overated and that's why we didn't improve with him and why the Islanders improved without him .

when you spend 11m on a player you want someone who tilts the ice and not a net front presence who needs his linemates to create offensive opportunities for him while also covering up for him defensively

hut hey , he has 3yrs left so i guess we're duty bound as Leaf fans to defend his slow ass to the death since there's no one that we can dump this slug on

Let me get this straight, you don't think we have the cap space to build good depth around the core, but you also think 25% of our core 4 is overrated?

So we just magically cruise during the regular season eh? Shitty depth, over rated 2C, but whatever, rack up the wins just because. Surely you don't think matthews and marner alone counteracted our garbage goaltending and stretches of abysmal defensive play? Counteracted to the extent the second half of the season was a snooze fest standings wise.

You have no idea what Tavares impact is for this team. You should go see a game live so you can witness him all over the ice. I guarantee you whatever you fill that cap space with will not match Tavares' impact, especially if you go the UFA route.

 

[Brobust]

From what I can tell, there have only been 3 UFA goalie signings greater than 5m since 2018.

Bobrovsky was signed for 10.0m/year until he's 37, and so far, he has a +2.4 GSAx in 135 regular season games, and a +0.4 GSAx in 17 GP in the playoffs.
Markstrom was signed for 6.0m/year until he's 36, and so far, he has a +1.5 GSAx in 106 regular season games, and a +1.3 GSAx in 12 GP in the playoffs.
Grubauer was signed for 5.9m/year until he's 35, and so far, he has a -33.7 GSAx in 55 regular season games, and a +0.0 GSAx in 0 GP in the playoffs.

Look at all the amazing goaltending that our dang cap allocation has cost us.

You should probably add John Gibson on this list since he gets talked about so much.

 

[egd27]

They’ve been there for a few seasons already

Contending teams make it past the round of 16. Hell, when the NHL expanded the post season to 24 teams and they couldn't even make it to the round of 16.

 

[Apex Predator]

Explain why we can't keep kadri marchment moore if we sign Tavares. Don't make Tavares the scapegoat for Dubas stupidity after

Thought so.

You guys are spoiled beyond belief crying over Tavares 11 mil. Slap you with a nice Pageau-Palmieri and you'll cry for JT back asap

Relax I’m not making Tavares a scapegoat. I was playing devils advocate with the person.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You should probably add John Gibson on this list since he gets talked about so much.

Gibson was an RFA signing and never available, but just for fun, Gibson was signed for 6.4m/year until he's 33, and so far, he has a -39.7 GSAx in 143 regular season games, and a +0.0 GSAx in 0 GP in the playoffs. Just goes to show how risky it is to allocate big money to goaltending unless you have somebody like Vasilevsky, because Gibson was even one of the safer bets out there when he was signed.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Oilers, Rangers, Blues, Florida, Nashville all also lost to a SC finalist but haven't heard if any are raising banners or planning parades.

I mean STL was the only team to win a game vs Colorado.

There are 31 losers every season. They are just as loserish as we are.

However the Leafs have lost to Stanley Cup finalists recently and that's not fair because it shows they they played really good teams. They're all huge losers. But they're really good.