Confirmed with Link: Shanahan, Dubas, Keefe all staying

[usernamezrhardtodo]

I think everyone who hates him looks at the peel out he pulled in the corner during the blowout game. I don’t blame him, why get ran from behind in dead time in a game out of reach. The best ability is availability and Willy’s shown time over time when needed hell put his balls on the line


88 does just that, Mitch is easily top 10 in the league. How do you replace those guys and get better? Can we swap them each for the Tkachuck bros, or are we getting a bunch of middle 6 guys?

I like Willy...but look at the Oilers...down a couple of times by 4 goals early against both Calgary and Colorado and they made a game of it and didn't quit. If the Leafs showed that kind of resolve we might not be bitching about 1st round losses. So, I don't think the game being out of reach is an excuse to play that puck the way he did...it just isn't.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Mind posting his comparables? He can ask for whatever he wants.



Source?

There is no source.

 

[Nineteen67]

I think everyone who hates him looks at the peel out he pulled in the corner during the blowout game. I don’t blame him, why get ran from behind in dead time in a game out of reach. The best ability is availability and Willy’s shown time over time when needed hell put his balls on the line


88 does just that, Mitch is easily top 10 in the league. How do you replace those guys and get better? Can we swap them each for the Tkachuck bros, or are we getting a bunch of middle 6 guys?

i don’t hate him, I point out his timid plays.

Why didn’t he hit the TB D near the end of Pd 1 game 1?
Why didn’t he hit Hedman in game 7, 3rd period?
Why did he pull up late in game 7 down a goal?

 

[rocketman588]

So you think his comparable is McDavid? noted.

Mcdavid coming off his RFA 100% that's his comparable considering how "valuable ufa years are"

 

[ToneDog]

I think everyone who hates him looks at the peel out he pulled in the corner during the blowout game. I don’t blame him, why get ran from behind in dead time in a game out of reach. The best ability is availability and Willy’s shown time over time when needed hell put his balls on the line


88 does just that, Mitch is easily top 10 in the league. How do you replace those guys and get better? Can we swap them each for the Tkachuck bros, or are we getting a bunch of middle 6 guys?

Avs got better when they traded Duchene. Not sure why some think it is impossible to win a Nylander or marner deal. Both are good but what have we won with them in the lineup?

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[Racer88]

Avs got better when they traded Duchene. Not sure why some think it is impossible to win a Nylander or marner deal. Both are good but what have we won with them in the lineup?

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The only thing I can think of is we won the record for most first round losses in a row and I’m not sure but I think there must be an award for losing to your own Zamboni driver in the other teams net.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Your excuse is that many of dubas' failures looked like a "great move" to his fan boys at the time of the transaction?

A good gm makes moves that benefit the team in the long term. Just because you and others admire basically every move he makes does not excuse the fact that they ended up being a failure.

Of course the team today looks better than it did in 2018. 2018 was three years after finishing last place. We are now at 7 years after finishing last place. And yet still exactly zero series wins.

It's amazing how the excuses just keep getting worse and worse each year.

I've criticized many of his moves. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Avs got better when they traded Duchene. Not sure why some think it is impossible to win a Nylander or marner deal. Both are good but what have we won with them in the lineup?

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They got better because they fluked into the 4th overall pick in the draft from that trade.. Not because of the known pieces they got back. They were also coming off a 47pt 82 game season.
Like I’ve said a bunch in various different threads if you can move Willy for a top 5 pick and then redirect his cap into an impact player this off season. Then fine, but everyone here is mostly suggesting swapping middle 6 plug-ins

 

[LeafEgo]

If surrounded with the right pieces and pushed in the right direction I think the core group of this team can and still will do tremendous things in their time.
The key is finding the right pieces to go around them.
And a goalie situation you can rely on.

Catch 22.

Agree that moving the best value contract in 88 to balance the cap is counterintuitive though.

 

[Dreakmur]

C.H.%

: 14.64

If cap rises to 85m that alone gives him 12.4m. Not out of the question he asks for 14x8 (16.4%).

The really unfortunate thing is that’s year the flat cap may end, and the cap could jump by 10+ million.

 

[Dreakmur]

I think everyone who hates him looks at the peel out he pulled in the corner during the blowout game. I don’t blame him, why get ran from behind in dead time in a game out of reach. The best ability is availability and Willy’s shown time over time when needed hell put his balls on the line

You’re not wrong. As a coach, I’ve told my player a million times that there are times to sacrifice your body and times to be smart. Getting blasted to make an important play is essential, but doing the same for a meaningless play is just dumb. Late in a 5-0 game, there’s very little reason to sacrifice yourself.

Having said that, Nylander did it in such a blatant way that you can barely criticize people who point to it as soft. As soon as the puck roles off his stick, he should have made the decision to end puck pursuit. Instead, he puts himself in a bad spot and has to bail out so obviously that everyone knows exactly what it was.

He sometimes sacrifices when required, but not always. That’s what’s so frustrating about him. He has shown the ability to play a rugged game, but he just won’t commit to it. He has such a perfect set of tools that expectations are through the roof. Unlike Marner, he doesn’t have the size excuse. If Marner gets pushed off the puck or avoids a physical battle, you can hardly blame him… but Nylander is built like a tank.

 

[Trapper]

Catch 22.

Agree that moving the best value contract in 88 to balance the cap is counterintuitive though.

That’s just the first step. It isn’t completely intended for immediate gratification.
Add in a Muzzin trade and the real move is waiting for the Tavares contract to end.

Then you have to pay Matthews/Marner the new UFA deal. 2 high paid forwards is enough.

You need to commit to a high level D and goalie.
The new core isn’t 4 forwards, or shouldn’t be. The new core should be a balanced blend, solid drafting for 3 years and more $ for Kadri level support.

 

[Stamkos4life]

I've criticized many of his moves. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

Sure, you may have critizied some of dubas' moves. But you and the other dubas fan boys have a tendency to view most transactions that kyle makes in a positive light.

Attempting to excuse dubas' many failures because you and others like you thought they looked good in the moment is not going to work. I've seen worse but that's still terrible logic.

If you ask a professional to invest your money, and he buys stocks that look good in the moment but they end up crashing and you lose most of your money, are you happy because the transactions looked good at the time?

We have the benefit of hindsight. We know what dubas' failures are. Just because you thought they were good at the time does not take away from the fact that it turned into a loss. I hope you can understand this but I'm not going to hold my breath.

I have been proven correct so often over the last four years while at the same time fan boys like you have been wrong over and over again. If there is anyone here who has no clue what they are talking about, that would be you.

 

[mikeyz]

Sure, you may have critizied some of dubas' moves. But you and the other dubas fan boys have a tendency to view most transactions that kyle makes in a positive light.

Attempting to excuse dubas' many failures because you and others like you thought they looked good in the moment is not going to work. I've seen worse but that's still terrible logic.

If you ask a professional to invest your money, and he buys stocks that look good in the moment but they end up crashing and you lose most of your money, are you happy because the transactions looked good at the time?

We have the benefit of hindsight. We know what dubas' failures are. Just because you thought they were good at the time does not take away from the fact that it turned into a loss. I hope you can understand this but I'm not going to hold my breath.

I have been proven correct so often over the last four years while at the same time fan boys like you have been wrong over and over again. If there is anyone here who has no clue what they are talking about, that would be you.

I wouldn’t say he’s been wrong about EVERYTHING!

The boys got respect in the handshake line and ALMOST beat the team that might win the cup in the 1st round!! I really think you’re underestimating just how massive that is. It’s arguably more important then actually winning a series!!!

 

[socko]

Too much worry over where the money is going. The trouble with the Leafs isn't where the money is going, it's that they're overpaying for guys not worth the money. I mean if we really had 3 forwards worth $11 million that would be fantastic. That would mean we have Matthews, Draisaitl and MacKinnon. SIgn me up for that.

 

[mikeyz]

I've criticized many of his moves. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

"We lost in the 1st round for the 6th year in a row, but, we are close"

And we're the ones who have no idea what we're talking about??

Ohhhh man!

 

[Gabriel426]

The Leafs have not accomplish anything. Dubas took over a top 7 teams with playoffs appearances and the Leafs remains a top 7 teams with playoffs appearances.
Can you consider Dubas a failure, probably not bc the team is where it was when he took over. Is Dubas a success, not even close. Like all GMs, Dubas got in some good moves and also bad moves. NO point listing all of them as everyone here knows them already.
One thing I have to point out, Dubas is no genius and I think he is starting to understand that there is a reason why other GMs don't use out of the box ideas not bc they couldn't thought of it but simply they just ain't good.
Personally, if I am Dubas, I would really look into whats are available out there that could improve the team and nobody is untouchable except for AM and Reilly. If Jets want MM for Helly, make that trade bc Helly solves and masks a lot of problems for the Leafs. Heck if JT is willing to trade Pietra for JT plus, make that trade. If Bruins want Sandin and Willie for Marchand, make that trade. If Trotz is willing to come, fire Keefe and hire Trotz.
The goal is winning the Cup.

 

[FlareKnight]

The Leafs have not accomplish anything. Dubas took over a top 7 teams with playoffs appearances and the Leafs remains a top 7 teams with playoffs appearances.
Can you consider Dubas a failure, probably not bc the team is where it was when he took over. Is Dubas a success, not even close. Like all GMs, Dubas got in some good moves and also bad moves. NO point listing all of them as everyone here knows them already.
One thing I have to point out, Dubas is no genius and I think he is starting to understand that there is a reason why other GMs don't use out of the box ideas not bc they couldn't thought of it but simply they just ain't good.
Personally, if I am Dubas, I would really look into whats are available out there that could improve the team and nobody is untouchable except for AM and Reilly. If Jets want MM for Helly, make that trade bc Helly solves and masks a lot of problems for the Leafs. Heck if JT is willing to trade Pietra for JT plus, make that trade. If Bruins want Sandin and Willie for Marchand, make that trade. If Trotz is willing to come, fire Keefe and hire Trotz.
The goal is winning the Cup.

This is something I can agree with. They shouldn't be sitting back and casually strolling towards the start of next year. The goal is to win the Cup and over all these years they haven't won a round. While changing absolutely everything isn't a likely result, everyone besides Matthews should be an option to be swapped out to make a team that can actually win it.

It has been nice having a GM that talks a good game and is generally pleasant. But be much happier seeing him actually make serious moves in an attempt to win. Not simply trying to squeeze under the cap and having that be the only real thing accomplished.

Putting up a nice fight against Tampa shouldn't be a success story. Dubas needs to find a way to actually make the team better. Otherwise he, Keefe, and Shanahan can all hit the road. Getting comfortable in failing each year isn't a particularly enticing notion. I'd still be fine moving out Keefe this year, but I don't expect it. Shanahan isn't ready to give up on his guy in Dubas, and Dubas won't give up on his coach either. Thus the likelihood that when change comes...they all get fired together.

 

[LilySmoov]

Jesus Christ yeah the solution to our problems is definitely to just trade straight up our ~100 point winger for an almost-30 year old (albeit very good) goalie. Don't try to negotiate, don't try to look for other deals, don't try to maximize value when trading our second best player and second most valuable asset, just give Winnipeg whatever they ask for.

 

[Beneven Stanciano]

Not only have they not won a round, they haven't won anything except a division title for a division that only existed one year.

•They haven't been the best regular season team.
•They haven't been the best team in their conference.
•They haven't been the best team in their division (outside of that incredible "North Div" season.)

So what is the optimism? Because they make fancy plays from time to time?

What exactly has been happening that people say, "Yes, this is the right track."

I'm not being antagonistic, if you were trying to sell someone that this is going to be a Stanley Cup Championship team in 2-3 years time, what would you point them to to say,

"this is why I think that. These results right here..."

What was the moment you said, "oh my god they are going to go all the way someday".

 

[Racer88]

That’s just the first step. It isn’t completely intended for immediate gratification.
Add in a Muzzin trade and the real move is waiting for the Tavares contract to end.

Then you have to pay Matthews/Marner the new UFA deal. 2 high paid forwards is enough.

You need to commit to a high level D and goalie.
The new core isn’t 4 forwards, or shouldn’t be. The new core should be a balanced blend, solid drafting for 3 years and more $ for Kadri level support.

The core should have been 2 forwards plus a blend D and top goaltending all along

 

[Gary Nylund]

Sure, you may have critizied some of dubas' moves. But you and the other dubas fan boys have a tendency to view most transactions that kyle makes in a positive light.

Attempting to excuse dubas' many failures because you and others like you thought they looked good in the moment is not going to work. I've seen worse but that's still terrible logic.

If you ask a professional to invest your money, and he buys stocks that look good in the moment but they end up crashing and you lose most of your money, are you happy because the transactions looked good at the time?

We have the benefit of hindsight. We know what dubas' failures are. Just because you thought they were good at the time does not take away from the fact that it turned into a loss. I hope you can understand this but I'm not going to hold my breath.

I have been proven correct so often over the last four years while at the same time fan boys like you have been wrong over and over again. If there is anyone here who has no clue what they are talking about, that would be you.

I have criticized many things Dubas has done so labelling me a fan boy is idiotic. Your posts keep getting more and more clueless. I wouldn't have thought that was even possible but yet, here we are.

"We lost in the 1st round for the 6th year in a row, but, we are close"

And we're the ones who have no idea what we're talking about??

Ohhhh man!

You're calling me a fanboy when I've criticized many things Dubas has done so yes, you very obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Nylanderthal]

"We lost in the 1st round for the 6th year in a row, but, we are close"

And we're the ones who have no idea what we're talking about??

Ohhhh man!

Have you watched the post season? The leafs lightning avalanche and blues have been the best teams this post season. The metro and pacific had some brutal hockey and outcomes

 

[mikeyz]

Have you watched the post season? The leafs lightning avalanche and blues have been the best teams this post season. The metro and pacific had some brutal hockey and outcomes

So what were you saying last year when we lost to the Habs?

I have criticized many things Dubas has done so labelling me a fan boy is idiotic. Your posts keep getting more and more clueless. I wouldn't have thought that was even possible but yet, here we are.


You're calling me a fanboy when I've criticized many things Dubas has done so yes, you very obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

What "many things" have you criticized him for? Name one.

I will help you out on the other side. I do have to give him credit for resigning Giordano.

 

[Nylanderthal]

So what were you saying last year when we lost to the Habs?


What "many things" have you criticized him for? Name one.

I will help you out on the other side. I do have to give him credit for resigning Giordano.

I said it sucked that we got beat by a HOF goalie catching an all time heater. He went god mode for 6-7 weeks, we happened to be at the start of it