Confirmed with Link: Shanahan, Dubas, Keefe all staying

[rocketman588]

This guy does not need an 11m Marner to score 50 goals. I'd start shopping 16 and 88 and replacing them with players who can elevate their games when it counts. It Nichuskin who was banished to Russia before signing with the Avs, can do it, WTH can't any of our guys once in 6 tries ??

I mean at the very least Marner should be playing with JT instead of Willy. But our guys care more about personal stats and our GM is too scared to confront them

 

[socko]

I will never understand the bolded.

The guy inherited one of the most promising teams I have ever seen. Literally every single gm would kill to walk into the position dubas was given.

The dubas fan boys crucified Lou for not being able to get past the 1st round in two attempts. That's despite the fact that we had just finished last place the year before.

Here we are after four consecutive 1st round loses (one qualifier) and they are still trying to tell us how amazing Kyle is.

The delusion just keeps getting worse after each failure.

Literally the most talent any Leafs GM has ever inherited. A guy that can score 50 goals with his eyes closed. The best goal scorer since Ovechkin. Boatloads of young talent on ELCs. And he just bungled it so badly. And some people are impressed with him????

 

[mikeyz]

I will never understand the bolded.

The guy inherited one of the most promising teams I have ever seen. Literally every single gm would kill to walk into the position dubas was given.

The dubas fan boys crucified Lou for not being able to get past the 1st round in two attempts. That's despite the fact that we had just finished last place the year before.

Here we are after four consecutive 1st round loses (one qualifier) and they are still trying to tell us how amazing Kyle is.

The delusion just keeps getting worse after each failure.

I saw this tweet about a month and a half ago which summed up the Dubas fanclub perfectly. I can't remember exactly word for word what the tweet said, so I am going to paraphrase here. But it was something along the lines of.

"Over the last 4 years, Dubas has grown into and become like a popular character on his fans favourite TV show and no matter how bad his acting has been on the show (Play on words for the multiple 1st round exits among his other failures during his tenure) his fanbase just can't stomach the idea of him being written off" (Play on words for being Fired)

Bang on IMO.

 

[Racer88]

Literally the most talent any Leafs GM has ever inherited. A guy that can score 50 goals with his eyes closed. The best goal scorer since Ovechkin. Boatloads of young talent on ELCs. And he just bungled it so badly. And some people are impressed with him????

This is so true and. Mind boggling that some think we are a contender because we played well against Tampa and got mad respect in the handshake line. Oh how low the expectations and standards have fallen

 

[Nineteen67]

Nylander along with JT actually owned closeout game 6 this season. The 2 of them had the game won until the 5 on 3. In fact Nylander was league wide one of the best playoff performers for the second half of the series.

We always talk about just getting it done even if things are ugly at times. Zibanejad with his 30% xGF but 7 points in 2 games. Nylander is the last type of player we want to get rid of. He will scoop playoff points in for wins regardless how many people he pisses off in the process.

Nylander‘s lack of commitment was the main reason they lost to TB.

 

[notbias]

His at signing current cap hit% on an 85 Mil cap is 12.7 mil he's going to want at least that % and most likely more than McDavid because we are buying all of his UFA years.

14 is most likely what will be considered a discount for him.

Also you don't think he considers himself in the Ovi/Crosby realm? Get real

You're also the same poster who said Fox was overpaid when he signed with a 0.71 PPG% and a Norris so you obviously do not know what the hell you're talking about.

The numbers I posted above are very realistic and honestly might be underbids for those players

Mind posting his comparables? He can ask for whatever he wants.

But our guys care more about personal stats and our GM is too scared to confront them

Source?

 

[Menzinger]

Nylander‘s lack of commitment was the main reason they lost to TB.

You can be critical of his play at times, but that's nonsense. The guys job is secondary scoring - and he went ppg over the series.

 

[Trapper]

Matty @ 14, Mitch @ 12, and Willie @ 10 = 36m/86 = 42%.

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. You cannot get bent over by the 3 amigos again. Marner is overpaid today and can't be paid more than what he is getting today without having won anything. Sorry Willie is good but he is not worth anything close to 9/10m. He has done squat when it has counted in closeout games. In fact all 3 have.

I would move Marner and Nylander before I paid them $12 and $9. You can't have the second coming of the haves and the have nots. Matty gets paid and everybody else falls in line or is gone or we will be talking about being in cap hell again.

Don’t fall into the same pattern the 3rd time of 4 forwards.
If you are going to pay then balance, pick 2 forwards, 1 becomes a D and 1 becomes a goalie.

 

[Gabriel426]

Nylander‘s lack of commitment was the main reason they lost to TB.

Really? I would have thought our top guys not scoring goals in Game 6 and 7 were reasons why we lost to TB.

 

[socko]

I love the player Nylander has become. He answered most of my criticisms of him as a young player. He's definitely not soft. My only worries about him are what he'll do to Dubas in another contract faceoff where he'll have far more leverage or the inferior player he'll trade him for because of wasted cap space.

 

[rocketman588]

Mind posting his comparables? He can ask for whatever he wants.



Source?

Mcdavid has a cap% of 16.6 at first signing there's your comparable especially considering he's a ufa which is the Dubad boy excuse for JTs idiotic deal.

Whats your reasoning for thinking that Fox was being paid on potential after a Norris and 0.7 ppg?

Besides not knowing hockey

 

[Nineteen67]

You can be critical of his play at times, but that's nonsense. The guys job is secondary scoring - and he went ppg over the series.

Yet had so much more to offer.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Nylander along with JT actually owned closeout game 6 this season. The 2 of them had the game won until the 5 on 3. In fact Nylander was league wide one of the best playoff performers for the second half of the series.

We always talk about just getting it done even if things are ugly at times. Zibanejad with his 30% xGF but 7 points in 2 games. Nylander is the last type of player we want to get rid of. He will scoop playoff points in for wins regardless how many people he pisses off in the process.

I think everyone who hates him looks at the peel out he pulled in the corner during the blowout game. I don’t blame him, why get ran from behind in dead time in a game out of reach. The best ability is availability and Willy’s shown time over time when needed hell put his balls on the line

This guy does not need an 11m Marner to score 50 goals. I'd start shopping 16 and 88 and replacing them with players who can elevate their games when it counts. It Nichuskin who was banished to Russia before signing with the Avs, can do it, WTH can't any of our guys once in 6 tries ??

88 does just that, Mitch is easily top 10 in the league. How do you replace those guys and get better? Can we swap them each for the Tkachuck bros, or are we getting a bunch of middle 6 guys?

 

[Nineteen67]

Really? I would have thought our top guys not scoring goals in Game 6 and 7 were reasons why we lost to TB.

He had the three biggest fly-bys of the playoffs. The one on Sergachev in game one was borderline criminal.

 

[Havoc]

Nylander‘s lack of commitment was the main reason they lost to TB.

Good luck proving this

 

[Gabriel426]

He had the three biggest fly-bys of the playoffs. The one on Sergachev in game one was borderline criminal.

Yes, they won Game 1 like 5 - 0. I highly doubt that fly by was a reason why the Leafs lost Game 2,4,6 and 7.
Unlike someone who actually flipped the puck over the glass while being in the middle of the ice on a penalty kill which cost the team to kill a 5on 3 while the opposing team scored. Or another player who have yet to score for the Leafs in elimination games but managed to pot back to back 60 goals.

We can go on and on and on about certain plays by any players but the fact is that none of our top guys showed up and played above and beyond their capacity to lead the Leafs in elimination games. And the fact that some are thrill and happy they actually showed up and played instead laying dead like years past is supposed to be some sort of accomplishment.

 

[Nineteen67]

Good luck proving this

Watch him and not the puck. Why didn’t he hit Sergachev in the last minute and a bit pd 1 of game 1? Lined up and could have potentially hurt him and didn’t even try to hit him.
You guys that watch the puck never saw the play.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Yes, they won Game 1 like 5 - 0. I highly doubt that fly by was a reason why the Leafs lost Game 2,4,6 and 7.
Unlike someone who actually flipped the puck over the glass while being in the middle of the ice on a penalty kill which cost the team to kill a 5on 3 while the opposing team scored. Or another player who have yet to score for the Leafs in elimination games but managed to pot back to back 60 goals.

We can go on and on and on about certain plays by any players but the fact is that none of our top guys showed up and played above and beyond their capacity to lead the Leafs in elimination games. And the fact that some are thrill and happy they actually showed up and played instead laying dead like years past is supposed to be some sort of accomplishment.

I’m not even interested in poking holes in our other guys to prop up Willy, I just think it’s weird that the solution to fixing our cap imbalance is to move the best value player of the group. The makes 60% of what the others do.
If surrounded with the right pieces and pushed in the right direction I think the core group of this team can and still will do tremendous things in their time.
The key is finding the right pieces to go around them.
And a goalie situation you can rely on.

 

[rocketman588]

I’m not even interested in poking holes in our other guys to prop up Willy, I just think it’s weird that the solution to fixing our cap imbalance is to move the best value player of the group. The makes 60% of what the others do.
If surrounded with the right pieces and pushed in the right direction I think the core group of this team can and still will do tremendous things in their time.
The key is finding the right pieces to go around them.
And a goalie situation you can rely on.

I think the reason people bring it up is that you basically have to choose between him and Mitch and he's less productive I guess. You're never trading Auston and unfortunately you can't move JT. In most people's minds he's the only one you can move to make a difference ( besides Brodie and possibly Muzzin)

I mean I wouldn't go riot if we traded Marner or Reilly for a great package but I assume there's a lot of hesitation to do so

 

[notbias]

Mcdavid has a cap% of 16.6 at first signing there's your comparable especially considering he's a ufa which is the Dubad boy excuse for JTs idiotic deal.

Whats your reasoning for thinking that Fox was being paid on potential after a Norris and 0.7 ppg?

Besides not knowing hockey

So you think his comparable is McDavid? noted.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Nylander doesn't even try to injure guys! Unplayable! Single-handedly cost us the Tampa series, and he also probably hates puppies and caused global warming and might literally be the devil.

 

[Gabriel426]

I’m not even interested in poking holes in our other guys to prop up Willy, I just think it’s weird that the solution to fixing our cap imbalance is to move the best value player of the group. The makes 60% of what the others do.
If surrounded with the right pieces and pushed in the right direction I think the core group of this team can and still will do tremendous things in their time.
The key is finding the right pieces to go around them.
And a goalie situation you can rely on.

The fact that the team haven’t win anything in the past 6 yrs with essentially the same core means changes should be expected.
Personally be it MM or Willie or Reilly or JT or even AM. Sofar they can’t lead the the Leafs to the promise land which is the Cup and not 4 wins in the playoffs. Maybe all of them are Pippen and Rodman and none of them is MJ. I really don’t know who is who.
I really think getting a legitimate #1 goalie is a must. As a true #1 will mask a lot of the team’s problem. If getting that #1 means Willie or MM, that’s the price Leafs need to pay if they want to win a Cup.
Also, they need vets who actually won the Cup to preach the sacrifices it took to win the Cup. Like their own personal stats. Who cares if AM scores 41goals in the regular season if he scores 20 and win the Conn Symthe in the playoffs.

To me, the core- Big 4 and Reilly still have not shown they can get the job done, and it is not about patience but more to do with asking the question, can they collectively get it done.

 

[jinilin63]

Toronto will never win a cup with so many passionate armchair managers/toxic media to influence every aspect of hockey operation.

 

[Gabriel426]

Toronto will never win a cup with so many passionate armchair managers/toxic media to influence every aspect of hockey operation.

Bc the MGT actually listens to fans and medias instead of making decisions based on team success.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Mind posting his comparables? He can ask for whatever he wants.



Source?

Are you serious? Now that he is going to be a UFA we decide to put the foot down? Not when he was just an RFA and we could have at least received compensation for him walking...but now?

All I know is if he is asking for more than 12.5-13M I would trade his ass out of town because he still doesn't understand what needs to happen to win a cup. If he cares about his $$ so much..let him go to LA and enjoy the sunshine and taxes.