Confirmed with Link: Shanahan, Dubas, Keefe all staying

[ToneDog]

They're not trading a top 5 goalie for trash.

Hagel got two firsts and a second chariot got a first. If they wanted to trade him they can get a mint.




You're going to sound like a fan boy when you defend a dude who hasn't gotten out of the first round while shitting on a dude who won an NBA championship in one on the most difficult markets to do so in addition to a conference finals before that championship.

Good point. Toronto is not a favorite destination for basketball players.

 

[rocketman588]

I wasn’t shitting on him in my first post about him I literally said he’s the best executive in the nba. He still has a history of taking his time to make adjustments and was questioned for his loyalty to “his” guys.
He hit a grand slam with the Kawhi trade, if the same type of deal is available to Kyle I hope he makes it, otherwise considering how hard it is to amass elite skill in this league id rather hang onto the game breakers we have and fill in around the edges changing the secondary pieces around as needed.
Masai didn’t trade DD for line up filler he moved him for an upgrade a top 3 player in the nba at the time in a season when the conference was wide open with lebron having dipped for LA leaving a gaping goatse at the top of the conference, no one here has proposed an upgrade. It’s all for middle line up guys who can be found every off season.

He literally traded his one of his top 3 scorers or let them walk on three different occasions prior to that deal.

He traded for a dude in kawhi coming off surgery who he did not know would actually come here to play

He did so while trading the ONLY all star to ever resign in Toronto.

In the NHL cap and depth are assets if our GM can't trade willy or Marner for a useable to similar player and use the extra cap space wisely he doesn't deserve his job.

We cannot get good depth pieces right now because we have no cap space. We're at 77 mil with 17 players on the roster and have not signed our RFAs yet.

That's why we end up with trash like Thornton playing pp1

 

[mikeyz]

I don't think anyone remembers that because he actually said "We came on the road here, we got a split. We came out here it was a best-of-five series with three games in this building and two at home. Now it’s a best-of-three with two in our building so it’s a successful road trip in that sense."

And how did that split work out? Was it really successful??

 

[rocketman588]

Good point. Toronto is not a favorite destination for basketball players.

That and the best player until the last two years basically owned an agency and shuffled dudes to his own team lol.

The NBA has a lot of issues. Masai over came them to get the dub.

 

[capfit9]

Mrazek and a buttload of futures.

 

[Trapper]

This is how far down the tar pit that the Dubas fanclub has to go to defend him this year.

People are more concerned about who is on the team vs. how the team does.
You don’t have unlimited chances. This isn’t 40 games regular season.
Each time you fail in the playoffs it costs you a year.
It doesn’t take long to burn 10 years and Shanny still doesn’t have a playoff series win.
This already should be the year of some kind of change.

 

[Leaf Fans]

And how did that split work out? Was it really successful??

Huh? We lost in 7 games. Would you call that success? It is late June and you don't know the result of the series? Or us it another example of just being sarcastic? Besides, it is irrelevent someone misquoted Keefe.

 

[rocketman588]

I don't think anyone remembers that because he actually said "We came on the road here, we got a split. We came out here it was a best-of-five series with three games in this building and two at home. Now it’s a best-of-three with two in our building so it’s a successful road trip in that sense."

The message was that split was ok. Maybe if we had real leadership we wouldn't have been down 2-0/2-0/1-0 in the last three games before deciding to play hockey

Huh? We lost in 7 games. Would you call that success? It late June and you don't know the result of the series? Or us it another example of just being sarcastic? Besides, it is irrelevent someone misquoted Keefe.

Keefe and Dubas obviously do or they wouldn't be running it back

 

[rocketman588]

People are more concerned about who is on the team vs. how the team does.
You don’t have unlimited chances. This isn’t 40 games regular season.
Each time you fail in the playoffs JT cisfs you a year.
It doesn’t take long to burn 10 years and Shanny still doesn’t have a playoff series win.

Not to mention in two years willy is gone no matter what and Auston and Mitch are about to get paid even more. Trading Willy when we actually get something for him instead of trading him in his contract year or letting him walk in FA is intelligent asset management

 

[keonsbitterness]

Huh? We lost in 7 games. Would you call that success? It is late June and you don't know the result of the series? Or us it another example of just being sarcastic? Besides, it is irrelevent someone misquoted Keefe.

It's mid June.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Imagine shitting on another GM in another sport (Who actually won playoff rounds and 1 year made the conference finals in the said shitting part of the argument) to justify defending Dubas?

The latest is that there is zero difference between losing in the Stanley Cup Final and finishing 32nd. There are the exact same. The fan club is reinventing everything we ever knew.

 

[mikeyz]

Huh? We lost in 7 games. Would you call that success? It is late June and you don't know the result of the series? Or us it another example of just being sarcastic? Besides, it is irrelevent someone misquoted Keefe.

So they lost in 7 games, so, it wasn’t a success right? Maybe they would have won in 6 if they didn’t split.

 

[rocketman588]

The latest is that there is zero difference between losing in the Stanley Cup Final and finishing 32nd. There are the exact same. The fan club is reinventing everything we ever knew.

Those same people will also tell you the NBA playoffs isn't a real championship because the first couple rounds aren't that difficult. It's a clown show

 

[Leaf Fans]

The message was that split was ok. Maybe if we had real leadership we wouldn't have been down 2-0/2-0/1-0 in the last three games before deciding to play hockey



Keefe and Dubas obviously do or they wouldn't be running it back

The message was not that a split was ok or that they came there for a split; it putting a positive spin on a disapoining game. But yeah maybe it something else happened the result would have been different - of course.
What are Keefe and Dubas running back?
The summer has barely started and they have already started changes in the management group the goalie coach will be gone, some minor changes in the player development. The roster hasn't changed as of yet, but it will as some players are ending their contracts. There will likely be more changes, but it is too early to say they are running things back ( the meaning believe is that it is doing the same thing again).

 

[mikeyz]

The message was that split was ok. Maybe if we had real leadership we wouldn't have been down 2-0/2-0/1-0 in the last three games before deciding to play hockey



Keefe and Dubas obviously do or they wouldn't be running it back

“We lost in 7. Would you call that a success?”

The latest is that there is zero difference between losing in the Stanley Cup Final and finishing 32nd. There are the exact same. The fan club is reinventing everything we ever knew.

You seriously can’t make this stuff up. Lol.

 

[Leaf Fans]

So they lost in 7 games, so, it wasn’t a success right? Maybe they would have won in 6 if they didn’t split.

I wouldn't call it a successful year. We didn't win, but then again, my expectations are high. Maybe they would have won in six or lost in six or lost in seven or won in seven; anyway, perhaps in different universes they did all that and more. They didn't do it in ours.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Not to mention in two years willy is gone no matter what and Auston and Mitch are about to get paid even more. Trading Willy when we actually get something for him instead of trading him in his contract year or letting him walk in FA is intelligent asset management

None of this is true. They have Brodie muzzin & currently mrazek coming off the books in the same off season, JT’s $11 the following off season. They can afford 6m in combined raises for all 3 and a reasonable $4-6m 2nd line contract to replace JT (could be JT himself at a lower hit, could be someone else). You don’t think the organization had thought about timing the expiration of their major contracts?

 

[rocketman588]

The message was not that a split was ok or that they came there for a split; it putting a positive spin on a disapoining game. But yeah maybe it something else happened the result would have been different - of course.
What are Keefe and Dubas running back?
The summer has barely started and they have already started changes in the management group the goalie coach will be gone, some minor changes in the player development. The roster hasn't changed as of yet, but it will as some players are ending their contracts. There will likely be more changes, but it is too early to say they are running things back ( the meaning believe is that it is doing the same thing again).

They were down 3-0 within the first 7 mins of the game.

Putting a positive spin on getting your skull crushed that's a loser mind set. It's pretty obvious with how they played that it was the message after game 3.

They're not firing Keefe or trading Marner/willy/Reilly/AM/JT

What other changes are they going to make that's not running it back if dubas refuses to move anyone of note

Ooo An Alex kerfoot trade I'm sure that'll fire up the boys

 

[fahad203]

People are more concerned about who is on the team vs. how the team does.
You don’t have unlimited chances. This isn’t 40 games regular season.
Each time you fail in the playoffs it costs you a year.
It doesn’t take long to burn 10 years and Shanny still doesn’t have a playoff series win.
This already should be the year of some kind of change.

what's worrysome is people here seems to live in a bubble
They think other teams are not improving. Buffalo as shit as they are just got Bishop. They were already uptrending end of last year with tons of draft picks and upcoming prospects
Ottawa has a lot of good young players, they look like they are prime for a breakout season
Florida already has done better than we are and so are the Rangers
Red WIngs looks like they are about to start turning things around

But you, there's always a next year. Same thing we said last year. Our players are growing, learning from their mistakes and pain. Game 7 was another lesson I suppose

 

[rocketman588]

None of this is true. They have Brodie muzzin & currently mrazek coming off the books in the same off season, JT’s $11 the following off season. They can afford 6m in combined raises for all 3 and a reasonable $4-6m 2nd line contract to replace JT (could be JT himself at a lower hit, could be someone else). You don’t think the organization had thought about timing the expiration of their major contracts?

We obviously didn't plan for the cap to be at 83/85 million so no we didn't plan on it.

Sure I guess we can get rid of half our D to pay them for a year until JT comes off the books

Willy going to get 9/10
AM 13/16
Mitch 11/12 ( he should be getting a reduction but whatever).

We need to get out of the 3x10 mil a year cycle of forwards. We cannot afford to give willy what he wants and win a cup

 

[mikeyz]

That and the best player until the last two years basically owned an agency and shuffled dudes to his own team lol.

The NBA has a lot of issues. Masai over came them to get the dub.

And it was beautiful.

 

[rocketman588]

what's worrysome is people here seems to live in a bubble
They think other teams are not improving. Buffalo as shit as they are just got Bishop. They were already uptrending end of last year with tons of draft picks and upcoming prospects
Ottawa has a lot of good young players, they look like they are prime for a breakout season
Florida already has done better than we are and so are the Rangers
Red WIngs looks like they are about to start turning things around

But you, there's always a next year. Same thing we said last year. Our players are growing, learning from their mistakes and pain. Game 7 was another lesson I suppose

The Habs also won't have their entire team hurt and have a lot of good young players.

The division is going to be good we will struggle without a goalie

And it was beautiful.

That it was

 

[fahad203]

None of this is true. They have Brodie muzzin & currently mrazek coming off the books in the same off season, JT’s $11 the following off season. They can afford 6m in combined raises for all 3 and a reasonable $4-6m 2nd line contract to replace JT (could be JT himself at a lower hit, could be someone else). You don’t think the organization had thought about timing the expiration of their major contracts?

You are assuming they want to resign here. John Tavares, Scott Nidermyer didn't resign with their teams
Auston Matthews has zero incentive to resign with the leafs. He's from California raised in Arizona. Every American team will try to lure him in including NY, Boston, Arizona and three California teams

That's the part you are missing. You assume he's goign to resign here

 

[Leaf Fans]

They were down 3-0 within the first 7 mins of the game.

Putting a positive spin on getting your skull crushed that's a loser mind set. It's pretty obvious with how they played that it was the message after game 3.

They're not firing Keefe or trading Marner/willy/Reilly/AM/JT

What other changes are they going to make that's not running it back if dubas refuses to move anyone of note

Ooo An Alex kerfoot trade I'm sure that'll fire up the boys

Huh, the postive spin worked in game 3 with the Leafs winning 5-3. Yes, the messaging was different as it was a different result. They Keefe wouldn't talk about getting a split after the first game in Toronto- they won the game.
No, they are not firing Shanahan, Dubas or Keefe ( at least not at this point) that is the thread title. As for anyone else, I don't know what they are going to do. That doesn't mean that they will do nothing. Dubas has not said anything about who will or won't be traded. Where does that come from?

 

[Gabriel426]

If Winnipeg is trading Helly, it's almost certainly to rebuild. They'd want futures.

I will give them the next two 1st rounders plus Robertson, Sandin, and anyone but Knives.