Confirmed with Link: Shanahan, Dubas, Keefe all staying

[ShaneFalco]

Yeah that's nice .......I prefer this accomplishment.

Zeke used to pull the same bullshit in the Jays forum - he's rarely seen there now. His takes in there are legendary

 

[TheShape]

These 3 are pulling for Tampa to win another cup here more than Tampa fans at this point.

 

[Cleetus]

cant wait to lose to the bruins in round 1 next season and then round 1 losses to the habs for the next 3 seasons after that when they have a wagon of a team with wright and bedard

Habs fan posting yawn

 

[makbeer]

How teams operate organizationally impacts their mentality on the ice.

The Leafs are a passive, scared, timid organization afraid to make plays or make a change.

Why are we surprised this mindset filters down to the players, who are also timid and passive and play scared in big moments?

Aggressive teams win. On and off the ice.

 

[ShaneFalco]

These 3 are pulling for Tampa to win another cup here more than Tampa fans at this point.

We lost to the.......

 

[egd27]

Zeke used to pull the same bullshit in the Jays forum - he's rarely seen there now. His takes in there are legendary

Not all people who want to provoke others online for their own amusement use negativity. It's much easier to get away with it that way.

 

[DarkKnight]

Some good commentary on air today that Leafs nation might just be so abused and desperate that any type of perceived progress is okay, that we’ve been so let down we’ve now accepted losing with dignity as passable. Run it back, maybe next year, we made strides, we lost to a great team, we had a good regular season, they competed, a bounce here or there.

It’s an interesting question, that we’re lost in honourable mentions and forever kicking the can down the road, skipping along behind like a bunch of brow beat losers.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The preference would be to continue with a proper rebuild rather than wasting assets and resources and then hoping you catch lightning in a bottle each year.

Going into his fifth year after having no success and we have no idea who will fill key positions next year.

Key positions? Goalie is the only question mark that I can see, what else are you referring to?

We sucked for years, culminating with a lst overall finish. Those years enabled us to draft Kadri, Rielly, Nylander, Marner and Matthews. Then with all that talent, we made a quantum leap and became a team that's a lock to make the playoffs and except for the one year where we missed the playoffs we've finished in the 4-7 range ever since. That's pretty much a textbook example of a "proper" rebuild and granted we've yet to have playoff success which sucks, but this is still a team stacked with talent that is well positioned for the future. You might also want to take a closer look at all the teams that traded away 1st round picks at the TDL this season and think again about which teams are the ones who are "wasting assets and resources".

 

[Bluelines]

Dubas: "We wont make change for the sake of making change..."
ME: No shit Sherlock! For F Sakes...

Leaf fans chew on that comment, that is how he thinks ...

 

[Shooter2x]

Fine with shanny and dubas. I'd be worried it bites us in the ass after.

Keefe I wouldn't flinch for.

 

[CelticDruid]

Key positions? Goalie is the only question mark that I can see, what else are you referring to?

We sucked for years, culminating with a lst overall finish. Those years enabled us to draft Kadri, Rielly, Nylander, Marner and Matthews. Then with all that talent, we made a quantum leap and became a team that's a lock to make the playoffs and except for the one year where we missed the playoffs we've finished in the 4-7 range ever since. That's pretty much a textbook example of a "proper" rebuild and granted we've yet to have playoff success which sucks, but this is still a team stacked with talent that is well positioned for the future. You might also want to take a closer look at all the teams that traded away 1st round picks at the TDL this season and think again about which teams are the ones who are "wasting assets and resources".

How many draft picks do we have left for this upcoming draft?

 

[Nineteen67]

Key positions? Goalie is the only question mark that I can see, what else are you referring to?

We sucked for years, culminating with a lst overall finish. Those years enabled us to draft Kadri, Rielly, Nylander, Marner and Matthews. Then with all that talent, we made a quantum leap and became a team that's a lock to make the playoffs and except for the one year where we missed the playoffs we've finished in the 4-7 range ever since. That's pretty much a textbook example of a "proper" rebuild and granted we've yet to have playoff success which sucks, but this is still a team stacked with talent that is well positioned for the future. You might also want to take a closer look at all the teams that traded away 1st round picks at the TDL this season and think again about which teams are the ones who are "wasting assets and resources".

That’s the # 1 position, then there’s the defense and forwards.

Yr 5, and he has very limited ( maybe 0) assets in the minors ready to step in and play on a Cup contending team, still in cap hell, and he’s left trying to fill out a roster.

 

[BertCorbeau]

How many draft picks do we have left for this upcoming draft?

Only 3 and 3 in last years draft. But in the big picture the Leafs will have made 32 picks in 5 years under Dubas or 6.4 per draft.

So on the aggregate he’s replaced picks he’s lost and as still sustained a solid amount of prospect pool depth

 

[Gary Nylund]

How many draft picks do we have left for this upcoming draft?

Here's your answer:

Only 3 and 3 in last years draft. But in the big picture the Leafs will have made 32 picks in 5 years under Dubas or 6.4 per draft.

So on the aggregate he’s replaced picks he’s lost and as still sustained a solid amount of prospect pool depth

 

[BertCorbeau]

That’s the # 1 position, then there’s the defense and forwards.

Yr 5, and he has very limited ( maybe 0) assets in the minors ready to step in and play on a Cup contending team, still in cap hell, and he’s left trying to fill out a roster.

He’s just had Liljegren and Sandjn graduate to provide ELC value. Robertson had a chance going into next year as well. After that Knies could step in later next year.

 

[Gary Nylund]

That’s the # 1 position, then there’s the defense and forwards.

Yr 5, and he has very limited ( maybe 0) assets in the minors ready to step in and play on a Cup contending team, still in cap hell, and he’s left trying to fill out a roster.

You said we have no idea who will fill key positions next year. You really have idea who our key forwards and Dmen will be?

I guess you could start by having a look here Toronto Maple Leafs Salary Cap, Draft Picks, and Player Contracts - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

I hope that helps.

 

[67leafs]

I went to the panthers bolts game tonight……..all I can tell you is the Bolts know how to shut a team down BIG TIME!!

 

[capfit9]

Only 3 and 3 in last years draft. But in the big picture the Leafs will have made 32 picks in 5 years under Dubas or 6.4 per draft.

So on the aggregate he’s replaced picks he’s lost and as still sustained a solid amount of prospect pool depth

maybe in volume but not in quality, 4ths, 5ths & 6ths not equal to 1sts & 2nds especially considering the point of giving up the picks was to advance in the playoffs

 

[Gary Nylund]

I went to the panthers bolts game tonight……..all I can tell you is the Bolts know how to shut a team down BIG TIME!!

How was the game overall? I didn't catch much of it but I remember last years series between them was a beauty, I was super impressed with how FLA played (and of course they followed it up with an amazing season).

 

[Gary Nylund]

maybe in volume but not in quality, 4ths, 5ths & 6ths not equal to 1sts & 2nds especially considering the point of giving up the picks was to advance in the playoffs

From what I remember, he gave up 1sts for Muzzin (great trade), to dump Marleau (worth it to get out from under Lou's mistake) and get Foligno which IMO was a mistake though I can understand why some people liked the trade. I give him credit for not trading his 1st rounder this year though at the same time other optimists were trading away 1st round picks and top prospects like crazy.

Every year we have ton of people wanting to go allin. This goes back to when people were arguing that no way we can trade JVR when we're a contender and so on. I hope it's not the same people who are now complaining about our prospect pool and so on when the truth is, we're actually in pretty good shape there-

Teams with hopes of going deep tend to trade futures. If you want to be fair, then compare our prospect pool and picks to other contenders like FLA, TB, BOS, PIT, WSH etc., I think if you do that you'll find that we're pretty well positioned for the future compared to our most likely competition.

 

[BertCorbeau]

maybe in volume but not in quality, 4ths, 5ths & 6ths not equal to 1sts & 2nds especially considering the point of giving up the picks was to advance in the playoffs

Well that's the cost to try and compete in the playoffs. Sarficing some futures. It's easy to say it was a waste in hindsight when they don't win the cup.

Smart drafting can also off-set the loss of high picks. For example Niemela has progressed very well to help mitigate a lost 1st round pick.

And looking at 4 drafts, they have had every 2nd rounder and have traded two 1sts. So 6 out of 8 picks were made. I wouldn't call that wasting assets.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Dubas/Shanahan staying is an indication that MLSE is buying into whatever their year end comments are about the intentions of their off-season.

What those intentions are remain to be seen, so it's a bit early to say.

Keefe staying is a byproduct of Dubas staying. They could go hard after Trotz, but he'll have a lot of suitors so missing out on him could be tough.

TBH it's a bit refreshing to see a management group be given some rope to learn and adjust as they've gone to build and tweak their vision. Many teams give up before some GM's can really do that.

I think it's important to distinguish the fact that Dubas has been at the helm for only 3 seasons and Keefe has had even less time than that while compiling the best winning percentage in franchise history,

 

[HolyCrap]

Still a bit confused about Rielly ... $7.5 AAV for a low end #1 offensive d-man doesn't seem that bad to me at all.

Yup. His contract to performance is the least of our concerns.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I think it's important to distinguish the fact that Dubas has been at the helm for only 3 seasons and Keefe has had even less time than that while compiling the best winning percentage in franchise history,

That's a good point too. People seem to want to blame Dubas for losses when he wasn't even in charge which isn't fair. And while regular season is far less important than the playoffs (at least to me), the fact that we've established ourselves as one of the top regular season teams year after year isn't completely meaningless either.

 

[capfit9]

From what I remember, he gave up 1sts for Muzzin (great trade), to dump Marleau (worth it to get out from under Lou's mistake) and get Foligno which IMO was a mistake though I can understand why some people liked the trade. I give him credit for not trading his 1st rounder this year though at the same time other optimists were trading away 1st round picks and top prospects like crazy.

Every year we have ton of people wanting to go allin. This goes back to when people were arguing that no way we can trade JVR when we're a contender and so on. I hope it's not the same people who are now complaining about our prospect pool and so on when the truth is, we're actually in pretty good shape there-

Teams with hopes of going deep tend to trade futures. If you want to be fair, then compare our prospect pool and picks to other contenders like FLA, TB, BOS, PIT, WSH etc., I think if you do that you'll find that we're pretty well positioned for the future compared to our most likely competition.

all those teams have gotten past the first round