Speculation: Seth Jones says he's talking with the Blackhawks about the possibility of a trade

[Ledge And Dairy]

Even with 1M retain he is vastly overpaid for his play the past 2.5 seasons. You would have to take a bad contract coming back on top. I'd be surprised if he brings back anything more than a late first.

He's recent media apparence is not going to help the Hawks get max value. He's essentially publicly asking to gtfo of there asap. They are certainly not going to keep him either with that kind of attitude ...

Vastly? He's like 1.5M overpaid at most. Especially with the cap going up. He averages 25 minutes a night and plays both special teams.

 

[jfhabs]

Vastly? He's like 1.5M overpaid at most. Especially with the cap going up. He averages 25 minutes a night and plays both special teams.

Well that's mostly for a lack of a better option. He's still overpaid at 8M, most UFAs are overpaid too...

 

[Behn Wilson]

If he brought his A game every day, then he would be worth the $8.5 million. THe problem is those games are few and far between.

 

[Ulysses31]

1mil retained whats the ask?

b prospect, 2nd(or 1st)? What else?

 

[ploppsdman]

How can you blame Jones for the team's mismanagement lol. That's comical.

The man signed a ridiculous contract. He ain't innocent.

He makes 9,500,000.

Why would I have the slightest sympathy?

The dude has played on loser teams his entire career and guess what ... he's part of the reason they are loser teams.

But when has this dude ever pointed a finger at himself?

He wants to whine about being on a bad blackhawk team but that didn't happen in a vacuum.

He wanted the money. He got it. Shut up and play.

 

[Kevin Musto]

1mil retained whats the ask?

b prospect, 2nd(or 1st)? What else?

Ideally no picks.

Chicago wants young talent that is ready to play now.

 

[majormajor]

The dude has played on loser teams his entire career

Prior to going to Chicago, his clubs had made the playoffs more often than not. 4 playoff appearances and 2 series wins in 5 1/2 half years in Columbus.

No comment on the rest of what you're saying.

 

[Ulysses31]

Ideally no picks.

Chicago wants young talent that is ready to play now.

frig tuff 1. luv tha keedz (DRW fan)

 

[Drake1588]

I don't think these are going to be easy trade talks, because I'm not sure the holdup has been his NMC, but rather the contract and Chicago's unwillingness to retain so much for so long to facilitate a trade.

I think they'd retain a little, but doubt that gets them to a point where teams are interested. I get the sense that Chicago thinks that if it starts contemplating heavy retention, then a heavily retained Jones should be really valuable. Yet I think other clubs view that as the bare minimum needed to get them to consider acquiring him, not reason to fork over a king's ransom.

There seems to be room between where the Blackhawks value a heavily retained Jones for five more years and where the rest of the league values that package. There's a decent chance they hold on to him. His increasingly clear desire for a trade might not matter very much.

Retention is simple for pending UFAs. It's a hell of a lot more complicated when it's for multiple years. Heavy retention over five years on a big contract? It's rarer than people think.

 

[Hunter368]

The man signed a ridiculous contract. He ain't innocent.

He makes 9,500,000.

Why would I have the slightest sympathy?

The dude has played on loser teams his entire career and guess what ... he's part of the reason they are loser teams.

But when has this dude ever pointed a finger at himself?

He wants to whine about being on a bad blackhawk team but that didn't happen in a vacuum.

He wanted the money. He got it. Shut up and play.

100% agreed

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Well that's mostly for a lack of a better option. He's still overpaid at 8M, most UFAs are overpaid too...

No he's not, he would probably get 8M as a UFA right now.

 

[jfhabs]

No he's not, he would probably get 8M as a UFA right now.

Is Mike Matheson worth 8 M too?

 

[ploppsdman]

Prior to going to Chicago, his clubs had made the playoffs more often than not. 4 playoff appearances and 2 series wins in 5 1/2 half years in Columbus.

No comment on the rest of what you're saying.

Dude has been in the NHL since 2013 and has 37 career playoff games. He makes 9.5 million. The math doesn't math.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

The man signed a ridiculous contract. He ain't innocent.

So he should have turned down the money and asked for less?

He makes 9,500,000.

Why would I have the slightest sympathy?

It's not about sympathy, it's about understanding who's responsible for offering contracts to players.

The dude has played on loser teams his entire career and guess what ... he's part of the reason they are loser teams.

He played on playoff teams for most of his career before coming to Chicago.

But when has this dude ever pointed a finger at himself?

He wants to whine about being on a bad blackhawk team but that didn't happen in a vacuum.

He wanted the money. He got it. Shut up and play.

You can be upset at Jones all you want for his comments, but in no way did he "set the blackhawks back 5 years".

To me, he sounds frustrated with the lack of progress. The team is clearly failing to meet even the modest expectations people had coming into the season. I don't think he signed thinking they'd be contenders, but he probably hoped to play at least a few meaningful games as a Hawk.

It's one thing to miss the playoffs in the final weeks of the season, but never playing any meaningful games for years is pathetic, and that's on the organization.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Is Mike Matheson worth 8 M too?

Is Mike Matheson suddenly useful defensively?

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Is Mike Matheson suddenly useful defensively?

...as useful as Jones...so not overly...

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Vastly? He's like 1.5M overpaid at most. Especially with the cap going up. He averages 25 minutes a night and plays both special teams.

This is not worth 8M for 5 more years for someone who is already in his 30s.



6-7M is fair depending on his planned usage on his new team.

 

[ColbyChaos]

He'd have to be really shortsighted to not see the writing on the wall for the hawks.
They were a lotto team for each of the 2yrs prior to his arrival. And Kane and Toews weren't getting any younger. Keith was gone, Was pretty obvious that the Hawks were on the way down before the trade

They weren’t even a traditional lotto team in 2019 they jumped something like 13 spots while finishing the season with 84 pts

 

[M88K]

They weren’t even a traditional lotto team in 2019 they jumped something like 13 spots while finishing the season with 84 pts

In 2019-20 they were 4th worst in the western conference, bottom 10 in the league. Sure They made the PO by virtue of the unique conditions (24 teams qualified) but they were still a bad team that year.

In 20-21 3rd worst in the "central" 11th worst in the league
Those are the 2yrs prior to his arrival

Jones came to basically a bottom 10 team.
Maybe if Toews doesn't fall of as drastically they squeeze out a wildcard PO spot, or two but there was no scenario looking at that roster they were competing long term for more than a year or two of his contract.
Debrincat was a great piece obviously but they needed a Keith and Jones has always been more of a Seabrook.
And they needed Toews to be Toews.

 

[ColbyChaos]

In 2019-20 they were 4th worst in the western conference, bottom 10 in the league. Sure They made the PO by virtue of the unique conditions (24 teams qualified) but they were still a bad team that year.

In 20-21 3rd worst in the "central" 11th worst in the league
Those are the 2yrs prior to his arrival

Jones came to basically a bottom 10 team.
Maybe if Toews doesn't fall of as drastically they squeeze out a wildcard PO spot, or two but there was no scenario looking at that roster they were competing long term for more than a year or two of his contract.
Debrincat was a great piece obviously but they needed a Keith and Jones has always been more of a Seabrook.
And they needed Toews to be Toews.

2021 they had the hurricanes panthers and lightning in the central along with Dallas, a still good predators team at the time. Even the worst two teams Detroit and Columbus did a lot better than any of the other bottom 2 teams in the other divisions.

The 3rd place central team (Tampa) would have won the West division, the Canada division, and the metro division. The bottom 3 in the central have drastically better odds not playing in the best division.

 

[jfhabs]

Is Mike Matheson suddenly useful defensively?

You just played yourself

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

You just played yourself

If you want to sit here and pretend that Mike Matheson and Seth Jones are similar caliber players then by all means.

 

[Behn Wilson]

they needed a Keith and Jones has always been more of a Seabrook.

Jones should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as Seabrook who was a leader and played like a warrior out there. Jones just goes thru the motion in 2/3 of his games, just floats out there

 

[ploppsdman]

So he should have turned down the money and asked for less?

It's not about sympathy, it's about understanding who's responsible for offering contracts to players.

He played on playoff teams for most of his career before coming to Chicago.

You can be upset at Jones all you want for his comments, but in no way did he "set the blackhawks back 5 years".

To me, he sounds frustrated with the lack of progress. The team is clearly failing to meet even the modest expectations people had coming into the season. I don't think he signed thinking they'd be contenders, but he probably hoped to play at least a few meaningful games as a Hawk.

It's one thing to miss the playoffs in the final weeks of the season, but never playing any meaningful games for years is pathetic, and that's on the organization.

Chicagos failures are about the organization AND the players.

The acquisition cost set Chicago back five years and that's what I wrote when the trade was made. That was a ridiculous organizational decision by a desperate GM.

But, are we to assume Jones blindly agreed to a MASSIVE extension without knowledge of the current teams prospect and trade details?

Chicago wasn't any good when they acquired him and he didn't improve that reality. They sucked without him and sucked with him. If he didn't see that coming, he's also a poor judge of a teams chances. If he wanted to play meaningful games, then stay with Columbus if they were so great.

Bottom line, dude wanted money.

Now he wants money and a better team. Don't sign 8 year contracts if you want to choose your team. He made a choice to forgoe that freedom and took measures to prevent movement (NMC).

And Jones can take all the money someone is dumb enough to give him but let's not pretend that his contract didn't have a significant impact on the team. Let's not pretend athletes are oblivious.

Professional athletes can get as much money as they want, but in a salary cap world, the more you take the less there is to improve your team.

I repeat: a team Jones has been a part of has missed the playoffs going on 8 years now in his career. Why is he blameless? He's not as good as he thinks he is.

The current frustration I have comes from making this public. It's a BS power move and I would accommodate him on my own schedule.

If that's 2028 and he doesn't like it, there's the contract termination door.

If playing on a better team is so important, modify your NMC w a playoff team stipulation. Will he do that? Of course not, give him his cake so he can eat it too.

Jones wants special treatment but he ain't special.

 

[u2wojo]

Chicagos failures are about the organization AND the players.

The acquisition cost set Chicago back five years and that's what I wrote when the trade was made. That was a ridiculous organizational decision by a desperate GM.

But, are we to assume Jones blindly agreed to a MASSIVE extension without knowledge of the current teams prospect and trade details?

Chicago wasn't any good when they acquired him and he didn't improve that reality. They sucked without him and sucked with him. If he didn't see that coming, he's also a poor judge of a teams chances. If he wanted to play meaningful games, then stay with Columbus if they were so great.

Bottom line, dude wanted money.

Now he wants money and a better team. Don't sign 8 year contracts if you want to choose your team. He made a choice to forgoe that freedom and took measures to prevent movement (NMC).

And Jones can take all the money someone is dumb enough to give him but let's not pretend that his contract didn't have a significant impact on the team. Let's not pretend athletes are oblivious.

Professional athletes can get as much money as they want, but in a salary cap world, the more you take the less there is to improve your team.

I repeat: a team Jones has been a part of has missed the playoffs going on 8 years now in his career. Why is he blameless? He's not as good as he thinks he is.

The current frustration I have comes from making this public. It's a BS power move and I would accommodate him on my own schedule.

If that's 2028 and he doesn't like it, there's the contract termination door.

If playing on a better team is so important, modify your NMC w a playoff team stipulation. Will he do that? Of course not, give him his cake so he can eat it too.

Jones wants special treatment but he ain't special.

I agree with most of your thoughts....but got to nit on the no playoffs in 8 years. He was part of playoff teams 5 of his first 8 years in the league (mostly with Columbus which ain't a marque franchise), but the last 4 years of Hawks teams have been bad to down right brutal the last 3. You could trade Jones for ANY Dman in the world....Makar....Hedman...Hughes.....ANY....and the Hawks would not have sniffed the playoffs or even been much better.