Ledge And Dairy
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Vastly? He's like 1.5M overpaid at most. Especially with the cap going up. He averages 25 minutes a night and plays both special teams.
Speculation: Seth Jones says he's talking with the Blackhawks about the possibility of a trade
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Well that's mostly for a lack of a better option. He's still overpaid at 8M, most UFAs are overpaid too...
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ploppsdman
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The man signed a ridiculous contract. He ain't innocent.
He makes 9,500,000.
Why would I have the slightest sympathy?
The dude has played on loser teams his entire career and guess what ... he's part of the reason they are loser teams.
But when has this dude ever pointed a finger at himself?
He wants to whine about being on a bad blackhawk team but that didn't happen in a vacuum.
He wanted the money. He got it. Shut up and play.
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Prior to going to Chicago, his clubs had made the playoffs more often than not. 4 playoff appearances and 2 series wins in 5 1/2 half years in Columbus.
No comment on the rest of what you're saying.
Ulysses31
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I don't think these are going to be easy trade talks, because I'm not sure the holdup has been his NMC, but rather the contract and Chicago's unwillingness to retain so much for so long to facilitate a trade.
I think they'd retain a little, but doubt that gets them to a point where teams are interested. I get the sense that Chicago thinks that if it starts contemplating heavy retention, then a heavily retained Jones should be really valuable. Yet I think other clubs view that as the bare minimum needed to get them to consider acquiring him, not reason to fork over a king's ransom.
There seems to be room between where the Blackhawks value a heavily retained Jones for five more years and where the rest of the league values that package. There's a decent chance they hold on to him. His increasingly clear desire for a trade might not matter very much.
Retention is simple for pending UFAs. It's a hell of a lot more complicated when it's for multiple years. Heavy retention over five years on a big contract? It's rarer than people think.
I think they'd retain a little, but doubt that gets them to a point where teams are interested. I get the sense that Chicago thinks that if it starts contemplating heavy retention, then a heavily retained Jones should be really valuable. Yet I think other clubs view that as the bare minimum needed to get them to consider acquiring him, not reason to fork over a king's ransom.
There seems to be room between where the Blackhawks value a heavily retained Jones for five more years and where the rest of the league values that package. There's a decent chance they hold on to him. His increasingly clear desire for a trade might not matter very much.
Retention is simple for pending UFAs. It's a hell of a lot more complicated when it's for multiple years. Heavy retention over five years on a big contract? It's rarer than people think.
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Ledge And Dairy
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No he's not, he would probably get 8M as a UFA right now.
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Dude has been in the NHL since 2013 and has 37 career playoff games. He makes 9.5 million. The math doesn't math.
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So he should have turned down the money and asked for less?
It's not about sympathy, it's about understanding who's responsible for offering contracts to players.
He played on playoff teams for most of his career before coming to Chicago.
You can be upset at Jones all you want for his comments, but in no way did he "set the blackhawks back 5 years".
To me, he sounds frustrated with the lack of progress. The team is clearly failing to meet even the modest expectations people had coming into the season. I don't think he signed thinking they'd be contenders, but he probably hoped to play at least a few meaningful games as a Hawk.
It's one thing to miss the playoffs in the final weeks of the season, but never playing any meaningful games for years is pathetic, and that's on the organization.
Ledge And Dairy
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This is not worth 8M for 5 more years for someone who is already in his 30s.
6-7M is fair depending on his planned usage on his new team.
ColbyChaos
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They weren’t even a traditional lotto team in 2019 they jumped something like 13 spots while finishing the season with 84 pts
M88K
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In 2019-20 they were 4th worst in the western conference, bottom 10 in the league. Sure They made the PO by virtue of the unique conditions (24 teams qualified) but they were still a bad team that year.
In 20-21 3rd worst in the "central" 11th worst in the league
Those are the 2yrs prior to his arrival
Jones came to basically a bottom 10 team.
Maybe if Toews doesn't fall of as drastically they squeeze out a wildcard PO spot, or two but there was no scenario looking at that roster they were competing long term for more than a year or two of his contract.
Debrincat was a great piece obviously but they needed a Keith and Jones has always been more of a Seabrook.
And they needed Toews to be Toews.
ColbyChaos
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2021 they had the hurricanes panthers and lightning in the central along with Dallas, a still good predators team at the time. Even the worst two teams Detroit and Columbus did a lot better than any of the other bottom 2 teams in the other divisions.
The 3rd place central team (Tampa) would have won the West division, the Canada division, and the metro division. The bottom 3 in the central have drastically better odds not playing in the best division.
