Joeyjoejoe
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"I agree that he scores goals but he doesn't do things that make this team win games"
The f*** am I reading.
The f*** am I reading.
"I agree that he scores goals but he doesn't do things that make this team win games"
The **** am I reading.
I'm starting to think that this team is not under performing much. Maybe this is closer to what they really are and last year was an aberration.
He definitely shys away from contact in season games. But who cares ? He’s a super slight guy. It’s not his strength. People help in their own ways. His is producing.Not saying Hoffman's offense doesn't help win games, but to me he's not actively trying to do the things that will help you win games. This is a player who will try and swat down a rim rather than get his ass against the boards and stop that puck. It's only because that puck is gonna end up in his feet and he's going to have to take a hit. It's selfish.
You gotta do more than just score goals, not that he's been doing a lot of that either lately. Hoffman's a good goal scorer but he should be a much better goal scorer. He never will be though because he isn't willing to do the little things. A replacement may not score 30 goals, but you give the right guys same opportunities, they will come close.
I ask myself the bolded a lot. Half the board can't tell you the difference between weak side and strong side.
Exactly. He wasn't a problem last year, what changed? Suddenly he decides "not to help the team win"? That's just psycho-babble.He definitely shys away from contact in season games. But who cares ? He’s a super slight guy. It’s not his strength. People help in their own ways. His is producing.
You gotta do more than just score goals, not that he's been doing a lot of that either lately. Hoffman's a good goal scorer but he should be a much better goal scorer. He never will be though because he isn't willing to do the little things. A replacement may not score 30 goals, but you give the right guys same opportunities, they will come close.
I ask myself the bolded a lot. Half the board can't tell you the difference between weak side and strong side.
"FolignoQuantumLeap":
I never liked Ryan always looked at him as being too slow and too weak...... Slow on his skates often injured...... Never was in favor of the huge contract he received....
Add to that he supports the Orange Oaf no hope for him in my eyes ever~~~!!!!!!
So Craig Anderson was magically gonna peak as he gets older and older!?
I don’t give a **** about who he supports as long as he plays well. He isn’t, so I’m more concerned about that.
I don't think so. That's a fallacy. It's hard to score in this league. If you have a consistent scorer, he is worth his weight in gold. A replacement can maybe score you a season or two (if he gets lucky) 27+ goals, but 9 out 10 times he won't.
Exactly. He wasn't a problem last year, what changed? Suddenly he decides "not to help the team win"? That's just psycho-babble.
It's the coach's job to use his assets the best possible way, surround Hoff with people who can complement his talent. Whatever happened to the PP goals he used to score from the Hoffice last year? Why isn't he playing there anymore, and been asked to aimlessly zigzag around the ice instead? That's on the coach.
It's also on the GM to provide said assets to the coach.
I see what you’re saying about Hoffman. Good player, score goals, but won’t pay the price and do the little things to help. I get that. What I don’t get is why you have such a high opinion of Ryan. A guy who had been called out of shape at times. A guy that for me doesn’t always work hard. Sometimes he does. We all know about his hand issues and lack of production, but let’s focus on effort here.
Fisher and Neil worked their asses off. Every shift. Does Ryan do that? I don’t think he does. There are times I hardly notice him. If he had a consistent work effort every game, I’d agree with you. I don’t see that though.
Trust me I've always had my issues with Hoffman, the frustration though has recached a new high. He is supposed to be one of the players who can get you out of slumps like these, instead he has tucked his tail between his legs and ran the other way.
Keep in mind Hoff's been in trade rumors for over the past month....that's probably effecting his play and attitude at least somewhat.
Certain kind of players you want on a hockey team. Bobby Ryan is one of them, Mike Hoffman is not.
I afraid the Sens will become the Arizona Coyotes of the East, until Melnyk sells the team
well hes 3rd on team in goals and points, so hes not doing a complete missing person report like everyone else not named stone or dazingleWait why exactly is Hoffman being excused for his play? Isn’t his job out there to go score some goals?
Applies perfectly to Ryan imoAnd his play is partially responsible for that. There’s no reason a player with his skill set can’t be as valuable as a mark stone but he’s not even close to the same level.
God, is it ever. Ten more weeks of this? Ugh. The worst part is that we will likely be unable to part with our veteran baggage at the deadline because almost none of them are on expiring deals and there is zero chance that Eugene will green light a deal where we retain salary.Its going to be a long few months
No one said they were a bottom feeder. I'm saying last year was an aberration which it was.
Since day 1. He might be the least selfish player on this team, comes to the rink every night and does everything you can ask of him. They had a shift together starting at 15:45 in the 3rd, good example of what I'm talking about with both players.
Ryan comes across the ice to support the breakout, crosses centre ice and is kept to the outside, gains the zone while fending on two checkers. Meanwhile Hoffman is 80 feet across the ice just waiting from Ryan to get him the puck. Ryan has one play to put the puck around the boards behind the net to the opposite corner. Hoffman stands there with his dick in his hand until the puck is already behind the net and doesn't even get within 10 feet of the third blues player. The guy is waiting for an 80 foot backhand pass, you'll be waiting all ****ing day for that.
Play continues down the ice towards to Ottawa's end because Hoffman couldn't apply any pressure to Edmundson. Blues get the puck deep, Chabot sends it up to wall to Ryan who can't control the puck because as he fights off a blue. Puck squirts to Blues defensemen who attempts a shot but Ryan gets a stick on it. Puck lands next to Sbokotka who fires it on net. Karlsson picks its up in the corner. Throws a hail marry to Hoffman who is first to the puck in the corner but he is so far ahead of the play he has no support, rather than taking contact and letting support arrive he throws it up the wall and jumps out of the way of potential contact. Blues are first to the puck but Chabot is able to hold the zone. Puck goes to Hoffman who surprisingly rolls of contact to get the puck but is immediately closed off and looses the puck. Brassard regains possession, puck ends up at the point. Chabot tries to throw one across the ice but no senators are there. Hoffman now dead tired, glides infront of the blues crease as the blues gain control in the corner, puck starts to move up ice, white forces a reverse back into the corner. Hoffman turns around continues gliding with on an attempted forecheck with his stick at his waist as the Blues make a pass infront of him to the weak side for an easy zone exit. Hoffman glides off the ice.
It's a constant theme. Hoffman has all the talent but couldn't give a **** about the winning a hockey game.