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Proposal: Senators, Blues and San Jose

jjniner

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I want to see Karlsson go back to Ottawa, so I've been kicking around the framework of a 3 team deal to get it done.

To STL: Chabot
To Ottawa: Karlsson w/ $3.5M retained
To San Jose: Kyrou

We get 5 years of a top pair LHD while remaining cap neutral. Ottawa replaces 5 years of Chabot with 4 years of a franchise icon while remaining cap neutral and balancing their LHD/RHD in the top 4. San Jose gets 8 year of Kyrou while only adding $125k to their overall cap balance sheet for the 4 years they are retaining on Karlsson.

I think Ottawa would probably need San Jose to either retain more or take Joseph's contract in order to address some other needs. While Karlsson is the better player now, I don't think 4 more years of him at $8M is as valuable as 5 more years of Chabot at $8M.

To STL: Chabot
To Ottawa Karlsson w/ $3M retained
To San Jose: Kyrou and Joseph

What else needs to happen for this to make sense for all 3 teams?
 
As a blues fan, i like it, from an ottawa perspective, not sure, i'd imagine SJ fans are all for it.
 
Sharks are rebuilding. Kyrou, though young and great, is not going to fit their timeline. Sharks are in the beginning stages of building their next core and by the time they do, Kyrou will be on the wrong side of 30.
 
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No Thanks from the Sens. Chabot is in a leadership role with the Sens and is fully entrenched in the teams culture. He's also younger, has more size, and finally gets a chance to play with decent support for the first time ever.

Hate to say no to King Karl but it just can't be done right now. Maybe on a retirement contract in a few years :)
 
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Frenzy31 said:
But if you are rebuilding, you are looking for younger players. I don't see a fit for Ottawa either. Why do they need EK? There defense is pretty strong already.
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No rebuilding team has zero vets though....and i'd imagine with all the young talent they've collected and will continue to collect, they'd want some sort of older talent to play with them as they're all entering the league. Also allows them to ease those guys in versus thrusting into a top line role. Could have a Hertl-Couture-Kyrou top line and the rest of the guys facilititated throughout the lineup etc.... obvi not exactly that, but something similiar.

Alot of guys like musty, Smith, bordeleau, zetterlund, eklund should be regulars atleast two years from now, add in kyrou, hertl and maybe even couture still and they might have something brewing by that time.
 
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Frenzy31 said:
But if you are rebuilding, you are looking for younger players. I don't see a fit for Ottawa either. Why do they need EK? There defense is pretty strong already.
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Yeah, even 25 is too old for a rebuilding team if they don't have a defined core really identified. The Sharks really only have Eklund and Smith as a future core. Everyone else is a lot longer odds of being that good or too old.
 
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DatDude44 said:
No rebuilding team has zero vets though....and i'd imagine with all the young talent they've collected and will continue to collect, they'd want some sort of older talent to play with them as they're all entering the league. Also allows them to ease those guys in versus thrusting into a top line role. Could have a Hertl-Couture-Kyrou top line and the rest of the guys facilititated throughout the lineup etc.... obvi not exactly that, but something similiar.

Alot of guys like musty, Smith, bordeleau, zetterlund, eklund should be regulars atleast two years from now, add in kyrou, hertl and maybe even couture still and they might have something brewing by that time.
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Sharks won't have zero vets after a Karlsson trade though. The point of a Karlsson trade for San Jose is to collect more future assets. It won't be the only thing that happens with a Karlsson trade but that's going to be what they look to get back as part of it. Kyrou alone doesn't really move the Sharks anywhere. If they lose Karlsson for just Kyrou, who is getting the forwards the puck much less in a scoring position?

The Sharks don't need to worry about having a veteran presence in two years. Two years is probably way too quick of a timeline for prospect development to the point of having a new core to rely on for competing. The Sharks really only have Eklund and Smith that are seemingly core future pieces. Musty could be but that's a wait and see bit. They need more than that in two years to even begin to worry about veteran presence being sufficient for what they have.

The reality is that the Sharks won't have anything brewing until they fix their blue line which is going to take much longer than two years because they don't really have any blue chip defensive prospects. They have a lot of young guys that can fill out the bottom of the lineup but nothing that looks top pair worthy...maybe Mukhamadullin but that's about it.
 
Not a fan of Karlsson coming back. Didn't like his defensive play even when he was here. Chabot is younger, more legs left and cheaper. No thanks.
 
SensFactor said:
Not a fan of Karlsson coming back. Didn't like his defensive play even when he was here. Chabot is younger, more legs left and cheaper. No thanks.
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Did you miss the part where Karlsson came with $3M retention AND Joseph being included? Karlsson is twice the player that Chabot will ever be and at a similar cap hit with Joseph off the books, I'd do that in a second. Also slots the D into playing their proper positions.
 
Pinkfloyd said:
Sharks won't have zero vets after a Karlsson trade though. The point of a Karlsson trade for San Jose is to collect more future assets. It won't be the only thing that happens with a Karlsson trade but that's going to be what they look to get back as part of it. Kyrou alone doesn't really move the Sharks anywhere. If they lose Karlsson for just Kyrou, who is getting the forwards the puck much less in a scoring position?

The Sharks don't need to worry about having a veteran presence in two years. Two years is probably way too quick of a timeline for prospect development to the point of having a new core to rely on for competing. The Sharks really only have Eklund and Smith that are seemingly core future pieces. Musty could be but that's a wait and see bit. They need more than that in two years to even begin to worry about veteran presence being sufficient for what they have.

The reality is that the Sharks won't have anything brewing until they fix their blue line which is going to take much longer than two years because they don't really have any blue chip defensive prospects. They have a lot of young guys that can fill out the bottom of the lineup but nothing that looks top pair worthy...maybe Mukhamadullin but that's about it.
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I wasn’t talking about trading karlsson. I was saying why Kyrou isn’t to old for the timeline.

Agree on the D side, but that could change quicker than expected with a Dickinson or levshunov pick next year.

I also want Kyrou out of STL so lol plz take him
 
Pinkfloyd said:
Sharks are rebuilding. Kyrou, though young and great, is not going to fit their timeline. Sharks are in the beginning stages of building their next core and by the time they do, Kyrou will be on the wrong side of 30.
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Jesus, it’s gonna take San Jose 6 more years to be competitive?

Then your org has no idea how to rebuild or draft.
 
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Pinkfloyd said:
Sharks are rebuilding. Kyrou, though young and great, is not going to fit their timeline. Sharks are in the beginning stages of building their next core and by the time they do, Kyrou will be on the wrong side of 30.
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Then your organization has no idea how to rebuild or draft.
 
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Coffee said:
Then your organization has no idea how to rebuild or draft.
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They’ve had good drafts for the past few years. You’re right about rebuild though. They haven’t had to do it in 20+ years.

I’d do this but I’d also rather see if we can get something better. Friedman has been saying if Sharks get Karlsson down to 8M most teams in the league would be interested. Think we can start a bidding war.
 
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Pinkfloyd said:
Yeah, even 25 is too old for a rebuilding team if they don't have a defined core really identified. The Sharks really only have Eklund and Smith as a future core. Everyone else is a lot longer odds of being that good or too old.
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25 is not too old for a rebuild that’s ridiculous. This isn’t NHL 23 here .

Look at how Edmonton tried to do it. Tore it down, went all with young kids and no vets and it failed miserably. You need a good mix of young and old and guys somewhere in the middle like J Kyrou

Kyrou would be an excellent addition
 
DJB said:
25 is not too old for a rebuild that’s ridiculous. This isn’t NHL 23 here .

Look at how Edmonton tried to do it. Tore it down, went all with young kids and no vets and it failed miserably. You need a good mix of young and old and guys somewhere in the middle like J Kyrou

Kyrou would be an excellent addition
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Exactly, that was a ridiculous comment lol.

Especially since San Jose just gave Hertl a massive extension, and he’s 5 years older than Kyrou.
 
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