News: Seattle Kraken Expansion Draft Thread

[cwede]

Umm tampa has cap space issue.

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They need to move assets to even sign anyone. It doesn't do them any good to have Seattle take a player that does little to improve their situation.

But Tampa doesn't need to solve that this week

Me, I believe best thing for Seattle is claim Johnson, without even being bribed

Local hero, talented, good in the room, good for the brand.

No need to be mercenary or difficult.

You guys can flame away, but that's this longtime NHL fans view

 

[Daximus]

He has no idea what he's talking about. No GM is going to go public about anything.

Sure keep living in your fantasy world. Francis sure is taking everyone to the cleaners so far.

 

[Mike Jones]

Getting to the cap floor by the start of the season won't be a problem at all. If they somehow ended up short of making it, they could always a player or two to a one year deal with a big AAV. But it won't come to that.

There's also the chance to make a waiver claim or two during training camp.

 

[gstommylee]

Sure keep living in your fantasy world. Francis sure is taking everyone to the cleaners so far.

Good lord, have you never tried to negotiate anything?

No GM will ever tell the public what they are trying to do in terms of trades or trade negotiations. No one will.

 

[Daximus]

But Tampa doesn't need to solve that this week

Me, I believe best thing for Seattle is claim Johnson, without even being bribed

Local hero, talented, good in the room, good for the brand.

No need to be mercenary or difficult.

You guys can flame away, but that's this longtime NHL fans view

Which also gets them under the cap. I mean yeah Seattle can try and take Tampa to the cleaners but if the ask is to much they just let Seattle take whoever they want from the list. As long as that contract is worth $3,661,788 or more they are at or under the cap now. no one player is going to hurt them so bad that they won't be a contender next year.

 

[Daximus]

God have you never tried to negotiate anything at all at one point of your lives.

Yes and I can see that Francis is f***ing terrible at it. I negotiated longer bedtimes as a child better than he's negotiating extracting value so far. He's failing.

 

[LokiDog]

But Tampa doesn't need to solve that this week

Me, I believe best thing for Seattle is claim Johnson, without even being bribed

Local hero, talented, good in the room, good for the brand.

No need to be mercenary or difficult.

You guys can flame away, but that's this longtime NHL fans view

But that would be doing them a favor, it wouldn't be the best selection for Seattle, even without being bribed.

Tampa can protect: Kuch, Stammer, Point, Cirelli and Hedman, Sergachev, McDonagh, Cernak

In which case Killorn, Palat or Gourde are exposed and better selections for Seattle.

Or they can protect Kuch, Stamkos, Point, Cirelli, Killorn, Palat, Gourde and Hedman plus two of McDonagh/Sergachev/Cernak.

In which case the defenseman they expose is the best choice for Seattle. Why would you take Johnson without being incentivized to do so over any of those players?

 

[gstommylee]

But that would be doing them a favor, it wouldn't be the best selection for Seattle, even without being bribed.

Tampa can protect: Kuch, Stammer, Point, Cirelli and Hedman, Sergachev, McDonagh, Cernak

In which case Killorn, Palat or Gourde are exposed and better selections for Seattle.

Or they can protect Kuch, Stamkos, Point, Cirelli, Killorn, Palat, Gourde and Hedman plus two of McDonagh/Sergachev/Cernak.

In which case the defenseman they expose is the best choice for Seattle. Why would you take Johnson without being incentivized to do so over any of those players?

And here's the thing Tampa would still need to move players in addition to what we take.

Like i said Tampa has no choice in this matter. Also Seattle can't be seen to be lowing their price or tampa can easily take advantage of it.

 

[Daximus]

And here's the thing Tampa would still need to move players in addition to what we take.

Like i said Tampa has no choice in this matter. Also Seattle can't be seen to be lowing their price or tampa can easily take advantage of it.

They only need you to take $3,661,788 worth of a contract of their hands and it gets them to the cap. The bigger the contract you take the better off they are. If you take McDonaugh it actually helps their situation out more. They have their back up against the wall but they have options.

 

[gstommylee]

They only need you to take $3,661,788 worth of a contract of their hands and it gets them to the cap. The bigger the contract you take the better off they are. If you take McDonaugh it actually helps their situation out more. They have their back up against the wall but they have options.

They need more than 3.6m removed. That just to get them under the cap. They need more just to make any signings. They only have 17 players signed that is pre expansion draft. they need way more than 3.6m to sign 5 players or more depending on the result of the expansion draft and any trades associate with it.

Oh and one of those player they have to sign is a backup goalie.

 

[Dog]

They only need you to take $3,661,788 worth of a contract of their hands and it gets them to the cap. The bigger the contract you take the better off they are. If you take McDonaugh it actually helps their situation out more. They have their back up against the wall but they have options.

They still need to sign at least 1 more forward+goalie+ 1 defenseman and hope no injuries(thats just to fill a team no reserve) + fill whoever Seattle take. They, have to basically clear close to 10 million to fill the needs with decent players. If not your looking at entry level contracts or pluggers.

 

[Daximus]

But that would be doing them a favor, it wouldn't be the best selection for Seattle, even without being bribed.

Tampa can protect: Kuch, Stammer, Point, Cirelli and Hedman, Sergachev, McDonagh, Cernak

In which case Killorn, Palat or Gourde are exposed and better selections for Seattle.

Or they can protect Kuch, Stamkos, Point, Cirelli, Killorn, Palat, Gourde and Hedman plus two of McDonagh/Sergachev/Cernak.

In which case the defenseman they expose is the best choice for Seattle. Why would you take Johnson without being incentivized to do so over any of those players?

Yeah taking Johnson without any incentives is easily the worst thing you could do. Best choice in a 4-4 scheme is likely Gourde. Best choice in a 7-3 scheme is easily McDonaugh.

Taking either player gets them under the cap though and after that it's a done deal for them. They won't need to make many more changes in order to roll into next season largely unaffected. Taking McDonaugh actually gives them enough space to even bring back one or potentially even 2 of Goodrow, Coleman or Savard if they so wish.

 

[Daximus]

They need more than 3.6m removed. That just to get them under the cap. They need more just to make any signings. They only have 17 players signed that is pre expansion draft. they need way more than 3.6m to sign 5 players or more depending on the result of the expansion draft and any trades associate with it.

Oh and one of those player they have to sign is a backup goalie.

That gets them just to the cap. But if you are taking any of their good players, especially if it's McDonaugh that gets them well under the cap. Under the cap enough that they could easily sign what they need for depth and still come back a contender next year. They could have a pylon behind Vasilevskiy, he's playing 70% or more of their games regardless of whose behind him.

 

[cwede]

But that would be doing them a favor, it wouldn't be the best selection for Seattle, even without being bribed.

Tampa can protect: Kuch, Stammer, Point, Cirelli and Hedman, Sergachev, McDonagh, Cernak

In which case Killorn, Palat or Gourde are exposed and better selections for Seattle.

Or they can protect Kuch, Stamkos, Point, Cirelli, Killorn, Palat, Gourde and Hedman plus two of McDonagh/Sergachev/Cernak.

In which case the defenseman they expose is the best choice for Seattle. Why would you take Johnson without being incentivized to do so over any of those players?

I appreciate your points,
And of course, all choices have an opportunity cost,
and from Tampa, a very good D may be exposed,
that would be a harder choice
but there will be other good D exposed,
and I truly believe about Johnson fit for Seattle, on and off ice

 

[Daximus]

They still need to sign at least 1 more forward+goalie+ 1 defenseman and hope no injuries(thats just to fill a team no reserve) + fill whoever Seattle take. They, have to basically clear close to 10 million to fill the needs with decent players. If not your looking at entry level contracts or pluggers.

Yeah like I said that figure gets them just to the cap. But if Seattle ends up taking McDonaugh and Tampa just lets them that fixes their situation entirely. They'd have over $7m they could commit to whatever they need whether they go internal and bring up some younger guys on cheap ELC and 2nd RFA deals or go get themselves some depth in FA they are still coming into next season as contenders. Either way they have options unless Seattle takes someone like Pat Maroon in the XD instead which would be idiotic.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

What do you guys think, will the Seattle team be good as the Vegas Golden Knights.

Not a freaking chance.

 

[LokiDog]

Yeah taking Johnson without any incentives is easily the worst thing you could do. Best choice in a 4-4 scheme is likely Gourde. Best choice in a 7-3 scheme is easily McDonaugh.

Taking either player gets them under the cap though and after that it's a done deal for them. They won't need to make many more changes in order to roll into next season largely unaffected. Taking McDonaugh actually gives them enough space to even bring back one or potentially even 2 of Goodrow, Coleman or Savard if they so wish.

Not exactly. It does put them back under the cap, but they're 3.66M over right now. McDonagh makes 6.75M so that would put them 3.1M under the cap, but they have:

11 Forwards, 5 D and 1 G under contract for next season. If McDonagh is chosen then it's 4D.

So they'd have 3.1M to re-sign Colton Ross, add two defenseman and a backup goalie. There's no way at all that they'd be able to afford guys like Goodrow and Coleman without shedding another contract. Even if Ross, 2 D and a backup G all got league minimum, that would be 3M, just to fill out a roster with no extras. Since they likely won't fill all of those spots at league minimum, likely won't carry the bare minimum roster number and will need space for call-ups, they very likely still have to make some sort of cap saving move, even if it only frees up a couple million, just to field a full roster.

 

[Dog]

Not a freaking chance.

Yeah be lucky if not on the bottom but if we are hey high chance at good pick.

 

[gstommylee]

People underestimate how much luck there was with vegas' first season run. Yes they got good trades from other teams just paying them but some of it just falls down to luck.

 

[LokiDog]

They still need to sign at least 1 more forward+goalie+ 1 defenseman and hope no injuries(thats just to fill a team no reserve) + fill whoever Seattle take. They, have to basically clear close to 10 million to fill the needs with decent players. If not your looking at entry level contracts or pluggers.

Dog and Loki Dog making essentially the same post!

 

[gstommylee]

Yeah be lucky if not on the bottom but if we are hey high chance at good pick.

We play in the pacific division. A very crap weak division. You think we'll be more crappy than Anaheim the sharks, Vancouver, flames and the the kings?

 

[Daximus]

Not exactly. It does put them back under the cap, but they're 3.66M over right now. McDonagh makes 6.75M so that would put them 4.1M under the cap, but they have:

11 Forwards, 5 D and 1 G under contract for next season. If McDonagh is chosen then it's 4D.

So they'd have 4.1M to re-sign Colton Ross, add two defenseman and a backup goalie. There's no way at all that they'd be able to afford guys like Goodrow and Coleman without shedding another contract. Even if Ross, 2 D and a backup G all got league minimum, that would be 3M, just to fill out a roster with no extras. Since they likely won't fill all of those spots at league minimum, likely won't carry the bare minimum roster number and will need space for call-ups, they very likely still have to make some sort of cap saving move, even if it only frees up a couple million, just to field a full roster.

Yeah I did the math wrong there somewhere. There is no way they bring back any of Goodrow, Coleman or Savard.
Their current cap hit is $85,161,788. Minus McDonaugh's $6,750,000. That puts them at $78,411,788, which leaves $3,088,212 to spend.

 

[LokiDog]

Yeah I did the math wrong there somewhere. There is no way they bring back any of Goodrow, Coleman or Savard.
Their current cap hit is $85,161,788. Minus McDonaugh's $6,750,000. That puts them at $78,411,788, which leaves $3,088,212 to spend.

Yep, and they would need 2 roster D a backup G and to re-sign Colton just to hit 12/6/2, let alone call-ups and an extra or two. They're gonna have to make some kind of second move. If they can get someone to take Johnson, that's their best route. Otherwise they're likely losing someone like McDonagh in the ED and then still having to trade one of Killorn/Gourde.

 

[Daximus]

Yep, and they would need 2 roster D a backup G and to re-sign Colton just to hit 12/6/2, let alone call-ups and an extra or two. They're gonna have to make some kind of second move. If they can get someone to take Johnson, that's their best route. Otherwise they're likely losing someone like McDonagh in the ED and then still having to trade one of Killorn/Gourde.

Yeah I suppose it will all come down to who wants to play ball with them and whatever other tricks they have up their sleeve to keep the good times rolling. Point still stand though that they may not necesarilly get taken to the cleaners here. They will lose 1 or more likely 2 good players but I doubt they get gutted in any real fashion.

 

[Sad People]

All I know is in this thread is i see a lot of armchair gms thinking they know whats going on behind the scenes when in reality they dont, Let everything play out before you start saying Ron is getting fleeced or other teams are pulling a fast one on seattle. When the dust settles and you can see whats happened and hasnt hasppen then you can have your moment in the spotlight.