Post-Game Talk: SCQ #3 - 8/4/20 | hurricanes @ RANGERS

[Rangers394]

Long time lurker here. This series went as expected and our young guys got a taste of some playoff hockey.

it's obvious we aren't there yet and we need to focus on getting a few more legit bottom 6ers. Can't take this team serious until guys like McKegg and Digiuseppe aren't starting. Howden i have a litte more patience with since he is still pretty young but the other guys, I saw them way too many times and if we are ever going to win, it needs to stop asap.

Just need to keep doing what we are doing, plenty of prospects coming in and also getting a few guys from this draft, we need to figure out who the keepers are and unload the ones who aren't. Can't start trading youth for old quick fixes just to lose in round 1-2, been there done that.

I would also like to see our 3rd/4th line be a little bit more of a physical/energy line. I don't mean a line of 3 Colton Orr's but just guys who can get to the dirty areas if the game turns into a grind fest. It can help take some pressure off of lines 1-2.

How do we get those guys? I have no idea but signing them usually doesn't work and sometimes they aren't up for trade. We need to hit on a few picks so we can develop our own bottom 6ers and find an identity for them. Can't just throw a bunch of guys there and expect them to win. Losing Fast hurt more than i thought it would and it showed. If we had 2 more Fast's, we would be in good shape.

This post is all over the place but whatever, watched the game with my dad and was very disappointed but this team is nowhere near being a finished product so that was a huge bright side for me.

Also, Strome is not a keeper long term and Buchnevich is 50/50. I like him but what will he cost? DeAngelo had a great season but with Nils coming in, do we need to spend that amount of money on the right side? Trouba-Fox-stopgap/Nils should be more than fine imo. Plus DeAngelo might get you a good 2c or a 3c and some.
Need to find a good LD. Lindgren looked decent and will get better. Staal needed to go 3-4 years ago. I like Smith and his grit but can't be in the top 4, plus he is way overpaid. Need a guy like Brodin, maybe there is a deal to be made there? Not sure and we still have K'andre coming in soon and hopefully Hajek/Rykov. And will Hank retire? It's a huge cap saving if he does and that opens up more options.

So many possiblities with this team and so many decisions to be made. These next 2 offseasons will determine how good this team is for the next 8-10 years imo.

 

[Kords]

Lol, just watched the replay on that Chytil open net save. When was the last time our Defenseman helped our Goaltender at all costs like that. There was literally 3 canes BESIDES the goalie stacked in the crease fighting to keep that puck out. The stark contrast is comical.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Lol, just watched the replay on that Chytil open net save. When was the last time our Defenseman helped our Goaltender at all costs like that. There was literally 3 canes BESIDES the goalie stacked in the crease fighting to keep that puck out. The stark contrast is comical.

The fact that we didn't score in that frenzy says all you need to know about this series. It just wasn't meant to be. All I can say now is 12.5%!!

 

[NikC]

Them doubling down on the present these last few months, re-signing Kreider, not trading Fast, all clearly motivated by the fact that they already were eying the end of the rebuild and wanted to make the playoffs, was very worrying to me. Insanity. And this is coming from someone who was a huge proponent of signing Panarin. I just would have stripped down the team elsewhere (like with Kreider).

Hopefully this loss has thrown the cold water on them and made them remember that Champions are rarely quickly assembled in two drafts and a free agent signing. They need to redouble their efforts on asset accumulation by accepting the fact that it’s gonna be another 2 years or so before they TRULY could expect to contend and by shipping out the pieces that will not be relevant to us in 2 years (Strome, Buch).

I'm not sure I see the Kreider signing as anything more that key component to build around. There has to be some form of nucleus in place. Kreider has a unique skill set.

Not sure why Fast wasn't moved, but he doesn't exactly make them :competitive "

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Long time lurker here. This series went as expected and our young guys got a taste of some playoff hockey.

it's obvious we aren't there yet and we need to focus on getting a few more legit bottom 6ers. Can't take this team serious until guys like McKegg and Digiuseppe aren't starting. Howden i have a litte more patience with since he is still pretty young but the other guys, I saw them way too many times and if we are ever going to win, it needs to stop asap.

Just need to keep doing what we are doing, plenty of prospects coming in and also getting a few guys from this draft, we need to figure out who the keepers are and unload the ones who aren't. Can't start trading youth for old quick fixes just to lose in round 1-2, been there done that.

I would also like to see our 3rd/4th line be a little bit more of a physical/energy line. I don't mean a line of 3 Colton Orr's but just guys who can get to the dirty areas if the game turns into a grind fest. It can help take some pressure off of lines 1-2.

How do we get those guys? I have no idea but signing them usually doesn't work and sometimes they aren't up for trade. We need to hit on a few picks so we can develop our own bottom 6ers and find an identity for them. Can't just throw a bunch of guys there and expect them to win. Losing Fast hurt more than i thought it would and it showed. If we had 2 more Fast's, we would be in good shape.

This post is all over the place but whatever, watched the game with my dad and was very disappointed but this team is nowhere near being a finished product so that was a huge bright side for me.

Also, Strome is not a keeper long term and Buchnevich is 50/50. I like him but what will he cost? DeAngelo had a great season but with Nils coming in, do we need to spend that amount of money on the right side? Trouba-Fox-stopgap/Nils should be more than fine imo. Plus DeAngelo might get you a good 2c or a 3c and some.
Need to find a good LD. Lindgren looked decent and will get better. Staal needed to go 3-4 years ago. I like Smith and his grit but can't be in the top 4, plus he is way overpaid. Need a guy like Brodin, maybe there is a deal to be made there? Not sure and we still have K'andre coming in soon and hopefully Hajek/Rykov. And will Hank retire? It's a huge cap saving if he does and that opens up more options.

So many possiblities with this team and so many decisions to be made. These next 2 offseasons will determine how good this team is for the next 8-10 years imo.

Great 1st post and welcome. I agree, these next 2 off seasons are huge. I trust Gorton to make the right decisions.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I'm not sure I see the Kreider signing as anything more that key component to build around. There has to be some form of nucleus in place. Kreider has a unique skill set.

Not sure why Fast wasn't moved, but he doesn't exactly make them :competitive "

I would like to keep Fast assuming he doesn't cost too much. This team needs players like him and Lemieux.

 

[Rangers394]

Great 1st post and welcome. I agree, these next 2 off seasons are huge. I trust Gorton to make the right decisions.

Thanks, appreciate it. I trust Gorton too and it doesn't hurt to have JD helping out either.

 

[Rangers394]

I'm not sure I see the Kreider signing as anything more that key component to build around. There has to be some form of nucleus in place. Kreider has a unique skill set.

Not sure why Fast wasn't moved, but he doesn't exactly make them :competitive "

Fast is actually one of the most important players on our team and Quinn said it himself, it was a huge loss when he went down. Like PuckLuck said, we need more guys like him depending on the price. He isn't flashy but those are the guys who help you win playoff games.

 

[Arto Kilponen]

Positively thinking, it hurts less to be instantly out - especially with a shot to first overall pick - than losing some Game 7 overtime of Conference Finals or so. Both results in no Cup. And winning the Cup wasn't really realism this season. Now players have time to rest and get to shape for the next season, which some of the other teams won't have time to do.

I wish all the best for the future!

 

[stan the caddy]

I guess it's not too surprising because they didn't deserve to be in the playoffs but that was the worst performance since they got whipped by the Devils after the lockout. Total embarrassment. You don't have to be world beaters to win a game. I've supported Gorton for awhile but it's time to go. Quinn definitely needs the boot.

 

[Rempe73]

I knew this team wasn’t going to go far. I knew they weren’t ready yet. But so many things went wrong that it’s embarrassing. And I’ll admit, even though my expectations were relatively high shortly before the Covid break, I still expected us to lose the series after game 2, so this shouldn’t hurt as much as it does. I’ve never seen Hank, Kreider, and Mika so deflated. And I’ve never been more embarrassed as a Tony D fan.

This completely negates what should have been a promising season, and then some.

 

[Machinehead]

Long time lurker here. This series went as expected and our young guys got a taste of some playoff hockey.

it's obvious we aren't there yet and we need to focus on getting a few more legit bottom 6ers. Can't take this team serious until guys like McKegg and Digiuseppe aren't starting. Howden i have a litte more patience with since he is still pretty young but the other guys, I saw them way too many times and if we are ever going to win, it needs to stop asap.

Just need to keep doing what we are doing, plenty of prospects coming in and also getting a few guys from this draft, we need to figure out who the keepers are and unload the ones who aren't. Can't start trading youth for old quick fixes just to lose in round 1-2, been there done that.

I would also like to see our 3rd/4th line be a little bit more of a physical/energy line. I don't mean a line of 3 Colton Orr's but just guys who can get to the dirty areas if the game turns into a grind fest. It can help take some pressure off of lines 1-2.

How do we get those guys? I have no idea but signing them usually doesn't work and sometimes they aren't up for trade. We need to hit on a few picks so we can develop our own bottom 6ers and find an identity for them. Can't just throw a bunch of guys there and expect them to win. Losing Fast hurt more than i thought it would and it showed. If we had 2 more Fast's, we would be in good shape.

This post is all over the place but whatever, watched the game with my dad and was very disappointed but this team is nowhere near being a finished product so that was a huge bright side for me.

Also, Strome is not a keeper long term and Buchnevich is 50/50. I like him but what will he cost? DeAngelo had a great season but with Nils coming in, do we need to spend that amount of money on the right side? Trouba-Fox-stopgap/Nils should be more than fine imo. Plus DeAngelo might get you a good 2c or a 3c and some.
Need to find a good LD. Lindgren looked decent and will get better. Staal needed to go 3-4 years ago. I like Smith and his grit but can't be in the top 4, plus he is way overpaid. Need a guy like Brodin, maybe there is a deal to be made there? Not sure and we still have K'andre coming in soon and hopefully Hajek/Rykov. And will Hank retire? It's a huge cap saving if he does and that opens up more options.

So many possiblities with this team and so many decisions to be made. These next 2 offseasons will determine how good this team is for the next 8-10 years imo.

I think we already have the forwards capable of facilitating a cycle game. I don't think we have the blueline capable of it.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Super Duper Unpopular opinion:

After re-watching tonights game, Howden wasn’t terrible tonight. Actually made some low key good Plays. The unnoticeable shit that’s easy to overlook during a game.

Kids a center. 100%. Keep him off the wing. Another thing I’ll say about Howden is he has the IQ to improve quite a bit. But I fear his talent, or lack of, will never allow him the opportunity of truly flourishing.

I’ll say this — 22 year old, pubescent bitch Howden could and likely will be a very different player from 27-34 year old Howden.

I don’t know how many of you guys re-watch games. It’s kind of new to me. But I’m enjoying it a lot because I’m paying attention to different aspects of the game when I do.

I’m pretty much a legitimate NHL scout that should be hired ASAP @175k salary with enormous perks.

 

[Rangers394]

I think we already have the forwards capable of facilitating a cycle game. I don't think we have the blueline capable of it.

We definitely need to improve the bottom 6 imo, if we are playing a cycle game, we need the players for it up and down the lineup. For my own sanity, i can't watch McKegg and Digisueppe on this team anymore.

 

[Machinehead]

We definitely need to improve the bottom 6 imo, if we are playing a cycle game, we need the players for it up and down the lineup. For my own sanity, i can't watch McKegg and Digisueppe on this team anymore.

Oh I agree with you, we sorely lack forward depth. I just don't think we lack physical forwards.

To improve our grind game we need guys that can pinch and we need to keep teams out of our zone because it's never a grind game against us.

 

[Rangers394]

Oh I agree with you, we sorely lack forward depth. I just don't think we lack physical forwards.

To improve our grind game we need guys that can pinch and we need to keep teams out of our zone because it's never a grind game against us.

I agree but it doesn't hurt having a few guys who don't mind going to the dirty areas of the ice when they need to. We need improvement regardless and i hope the front office realizes it.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Canes hire a former player as coach and look what it gets them. If we did that and hired Mess/Leetch/Graves, we would go 0-82.

TBF I'd love to see Tikkanen coach this team.

That’s playoff experience but uh, not a good one.

All of this was a negative experience (if any at all) for our team, imo.

 

[Rangers394]

I knew this team wasn’t going to go far. I knew they weren’t ready yet. But so many things went wrong that it’s embarrassing. And I’ll admit, even though my expectations were relatively high shortly before the Covid break, I still expected us to lose the series after game 2, so this shouldn’t hurt as much as it does. I’ve never seen Hank, Kreider, and Mika so deflated. And I’ve never been more embarrassed as a Tony D fan.

This completely negates what should have been a promising season, and then some.

The Covid break really ruined a good end of the season run for this team imo, killed any momentum we had and they never got it back, it happens. It was still a good season and it's something to build on.

 

[Nickmo82]

I'm not usually a glass half-full kind of guy (I'm British...), but I'm kind of okay with this. Yes, it would have been much better to at least make a series of it, but the Rangers had no place even being in the playoff conversation this year. With that in mind, this is three games of free experience for kids like Kakko, Fox and Chytil... and I guess Quinn too, because he needs to make some changes too.

So we got three games of playoff experience which will hopefully give the team the drive to improve next year, and we have a shot at Lafreniere, so I'm good.

I doubt we'll get him though (see above).

 

[Maximus]

I guess it's not too surprising because they didn't deserve to be in the playoffs but that was the worst performance since they got whipped by the Devils after the lockout. Total embarrassment. You don't have to be world beaters to win a game. I've supported Gorton for awhile but it's time to go. Quinn definitely needs the boot.

Is this serious? Are you trolling? This might be THE most ridiculous asinine comment I've heard all year? At worst it's in the top 5 of absurd posts I've read here on this board possibly ever!.

I'm not going too take the bait but I will say this but a large majority of us in here and I'd say it's in the 95%+ area, fully realize that the Rangers are about a year too year and a half ahead of schedule and it's mostly because of the moves Gorton has made since the letter went out too the fanbase 2 years ago.

Quinn is the right guy at the right time for this team. Do I agree with all his methods and strategies? No I don't but just like the team will continue to improve and grow into a Cup contender, I believe Quinn will as well.

Seriously, you have to be kidding that after a disappointing loss of a series no doubt as I fully admit, I thought we'd win it in 4, for you to say Gorton and Quinn should be fired, is seriously one of the most absurd things I've ever read here ever!. I think this pandemic is making some people bat shit crazy....really!!

 

[Rangers394]

I guess it's not too surprising because they didn't deserve to be in the playoffs but that was the worst performance since they got whipped by the Devils after the lockout. Total embarrassment. You don't have to be world beaters to win a game. I've supported Gorton for awhile but it's time to go. Quinn definitely needs the boot.

If we are being honest, this team is nowhere near a finished product so calling for Gorton or Quinn is a bit ridiculous. We have a few pieces already and we have players coming in who should improve this team dramatically to replace the dead weight and give us depth.

We have to be realistic and the truth is, we weren't good enough to win a game against this team. Up and down their lineup they are deeper than us, and 2 of their dmen were out and they still beat us, shit happens. We need to improve our depth and be cleaner in general. We are on the right track, just need to stay on it and have patience. The team that just got swept will look completely different in 1-2 years

 

[egelband]

Would love to see Washington vs Carolina. That would be true entertainment.

I would root for Carolina, draft pick notwithstanding.

 

[Rangers394]

Super Duper Unpopular opinion:

After re-watching tonights game, Howden wasn’t terrible tonight. Actually made some low key good Plays. The unnoticeable shit that’s easy to overlook during a game.

Kids a center. 100%. Keep him off the wing. Another thing I’ll say about Howden is he has the IQ to improve quite a bit. But I fear his talent, or lack of, will never allow him the opportunity of truly flourishing.

I’ll say this — 22 year old, pubescent bitch Howden could and likely will be a very different player from 27-34 year old Howden.

I don’t know how many of you guys re-watch games. It’s kind of new to me. But I’m enjoying it a lot because I’m paying attention to different aspects of the game when I do.

I’m pretty much a legitimate NHL scout that should be hired ASAP @175k salary with enormous perks.

Agree with this. I'm not sure what Howden will turn into but i definitely think this team should have patience with him. Even if he tops off as a 3rd line center who can win faceoffs and pk and chip in an occasional goal, that is a win imo. Young and cheap too

 

[egelband]

I am not going to blast any Ranger player.

Most of these guys didn’t skate for two months after New York City was completely locked down. The team wasn’t in game shape, much less physical shape. It’s not fair to attack these guys when many of them are aren’t ready to play playoff level hockey.

It would be really easy to rip on Mika. However, I doubt he left his apartment for two months outside of to get food.

That said, I have never seen a series where one team got every bounce and break like Carolina did. Were they better? No doubt. But no team can continue to win by throwing sticks at pucks and having the bounce end up on a teammate’s stick moving forward.

Totally agree. They got a ton of bounces, all the puck luck, and scored on most of their primo chances. The Rangers were snakebit. When Panarin got stoned on that early breakaway today I should have known fortune was not on our side. A win was not on the cards.
But I'm still very optimistic about this team. I just hope a *regular* season can be played next year.

 

[Glennsoe]

We looked unprepared in every game..