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Blue Jays Discussion: Save some runs for the other games, guys. (Jays score team record 28 runs in Friday night drubbing of Red Sox. Yes, that says 28. In one game)

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OG6ix said:
I think a big part was due to Argos/CFL - which in hindsight was not a good move considering no one cares about the Argos in Toronto anymore.
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A roof was never about sports...at least it wasn't the primary concern. Remember, neither ball team put much into the cost. It was almost all govt. money...and about the other 250+ days of usage. Concerts, Monster trucks, etc. You can't put 50,000 into an open air stadium in TO in December to see the Stones...but if there's a climate controlled facility, it's no longer an issue.
 
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phillipmike said:


Shapiro and Atkins have been on a cheap, losing organization for years with Cleveland. Now they have a great team, have ownership support and money to spend. With less playoffs spots and a less talented team, the Jays made a splash last deadline with Berrios. Now they have better odds with the extra spot, money and star players available. These guys have been waiting for this moment all their career.

I predict they will make a huge splash this deadline, like Soto/Ohtani or Castillo/Rodon with other players, likely rentals - this may be a 2015 type deadline. Its possible they strikeout at the deadline but i dont think they are setting their sights on depth and rentals. They have a near complete lineup and 4 starters they can trust, team doesnt have a lot of holes. They will go for it.

That being said, there are some good rentals out their you can add with secondary pieces like Syndergaard, Quintana, Robertson etc.
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Would not be surprised at all if we got Rodon. SF are in the tank right now. Add in Rodon’s idiotic antics the other day, he probably hasn’t done himself any favors. I think Atkins is going to make a surprise move. Seems too quiet right now
 
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stats1 said:
Would not be surprised at all if we got Rodon. SF are in the tank right now. Add in Rodon’s idiotic antics the other day, he probably hasn’t done himself any favors. I think Atkins is going to make a surprise move. Seems too quiet right now
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It is probably best if they sell but i dont know if they do. They are only 3.5 GBs of a wildcard spot but there lineup is literally trash.

But if Rodon was available, he would be a good fit. Get a dependable lefty and the 4th best fWAR among all starters. Mike Yastrzemski would be a perfect lefty bat with control but i doubt they move him. Joc Pederson would be available with an expiring $6M. Good in the playoffs last year and plays ok defense in CF.

Longoria is a free agent at the end of the season and they dont have an MLB ready 3B. SF's system is a Luciano and then all OFs and pitching. They need infielders which is what the Jays have.

Wonder if we can do something like Rodon and Pederson for Groshans, Kloffenstein, and Lopez would be enough.

Baseball Trade Value only has Rodon and Pederson at 13.90 which is incredibly low. Groshans is 14 on his own. But im thinking maybe Groshans, Pearson and Lopez could get it done.
 
stats1 said:
Would not be surprised at all if we got Rodon. SF are in the tank right now. Add in Rodon’s idiotic antics the other day, he probably hasn’t done himself any favors. I think Atkins is going to make a surprise move. Seems too quiet right now
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I would LOVE to see them add Rodon. I really wanted him in the offseason and he's only doubled down on last year's breakout.

The risk is that he has an opt out after this year (which I assume he would take barring an injury), making him essentially a rental. He only got two years because of his injury history... a fully healthy year likely sets him up for a big contract this offseason.
 
I like Shapiro and Atkins but they arent in the same league as Masai yet. The process is there for Shapiro and Atkins, the results arent. Make the playoffs, win a few rounds and a championship and then maybe we can start comparing.
 
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Here are our favorite picks from the Draft

Teams finished drafting 616 players over three days on Tuesday, and it will be years before we know how all of them pan out. But there's still a lot of excitement about all of the shiny new prospects, so we'll single out our favorite picks for each organization.
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Blue Jays: Brandon Barriera, LHP (first round)
The Florida high-school southpaw provided one of the best interview highlights of Day 1 when he told MLB Network shortly after going No. 23, “Looking at those 22 teams before me, they're going to regret this." Time will tell, of course, but the pieces are there for that to happen. Barriera shows three above-average pitches with his fastball, slider and changeup, and he isn’t afraid to go right after hitters. The Jays have had success in developing prep left-hander Ricky Tiedemann into prospect prominence and could do the same with Barriera. His competitiveness is already Major League-level.
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Prospects who could be dealt -- one for each team

The Trade Deadline is just a week away, with clubs having until 6 p.m. ET on Aug. 2 to make moves to improve their present or future. A 2019 rule change eliminated the previous tradition of swapping players via waivers after the cutoff, so any deals will have to be
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Blue Jays: Orelvis Martinez, SS/3B (No. 2/MLB No. 36)
Time will tell what kind of players the Blue Jays will be on the trade market, but one would have to think they won’t be looking to move top prospect Gabriel Moreno. Martinez makes more sense, even if it might be selling low. The 20-year-old infielder continues to show incredible power for his age with 22 homers in 78 games at Double-A New Hampshire, and that’s what another club would be buying here. A career-high 29.9 percent K rate has hurt Martinez’s stock in 2022, and he’s playing more third base than ever, making it more likely he slides away from the middle of the diamond permanently. But he’s still plenty young, and few farm systems boast bats with his 30-homer potential.
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Inbox: Which draftees will top prospect lists?

The busiest month on the prospect calendar continues with Draft signings and the Trade Deadline. Let's get to your questions ...
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If this is the first Pipeline Inbox after the Draft, isn't it time for your annual 10-round self-draft? -- Jim C., Winnetka, Ill.
Yes, it is, and yes, that's me asking my own question. As a challenge to see how well I can identify talent, I'd been making picks through 10 rounds since 2003, adhering to the same budget restrictions that teams have to deal with. My first 19 self-drafts have produced 54 big leaguers, including Jason Heyward, Kyle Freeland, Kyle Gibson, Chris Archer, Bryan Reynolds and Dakota Hudson as well as current Top 100 Prospects Brett Baty, Hunter Brown and Kahlil Watson.
I've never selected higher than eighth, and this year I drew the Athletics to shadow. Oakland had the No. 19 overall pick in the first round, one extra choice (a supplemental second-rounder) and an $8,320,200 bonus pool, which I can stretch to $8,736,210 without forfeiting any future first-rounders.
Just like the A's, I was happy to see Arizona catcher Daniel Susac unexpectedly fall in my lap at No. 19. Then I stole a pair of players who received first-round consideration in Oregon State outfielder Jacob Melton and South Carolina prep third baseman Tucker Toman. After I took my only two pitchers, Gonzaga right-hander Trystan Vrieling and Texas Tech righty Brandon Birdsell, I pounced on another South Carolina high school third baseman in Logan Wagner before concentrating on some money-saving college bats.

My draft:
Round: Player, Pos, School (Actual pick)
1st (No. 19): Daniel Susac, C, Arizona (OAK, 1st)
2nd: Jacob Melton, OF, Oregon State (HOU, 2nd)
Supp 2nd: Tucker Toman, 3B, HS/South Carolina (TOR, supp 2nd)
3rd: Trystan Vrieling, RHP, Gonzaga (NYY, 3rd)
4th: Brandon Birdsell, RHP, Texas Tech (CHC, 5th)
5th: Logan Wagner, 3B, HS/South Carolina (LAD, 6th)
6th: Brad Cumbest, OF, Mississippi State (COL, 9th)
7th: Andrew Jenkins, 1B, Georgia Tech (DET, 9th)
8th: Taylor Young, 2B, Louisiana Tech (LAD, 8th)
9th: Michael Curialle, SS, UCLA (STL, 12th)
10th: Brock Rodden, 2B, Wichita State (OAK, 10th)
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Forgot about this connection. This deadline might be a good test if Baerga doesnt break anything.

He sounded upset when he posted about Montoyo's firing and what Bichette said afterwards. So mayber Montoyo is perhaps a close friend.

Baerga's thought on the Montoyo firing - translation;

uffffff what kind of news Toronto Bluejays team releases Captain Charlie Montoyo. I cant believe it. The unfair of baseball: 1. If the season ends today, go to the playoffs. Rankin it out !!! 2. TOR has a +10 run difference.... 3. They sign him one more year contract there he was a good leader and now 2 months later NO. I understand these major league teams. Charlie cant bat and throw for them.
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Baerga's thought on Bichett's comments on Montoyo - translation;

Because the truth always comes to light. Always said that the job of the baller is to put the numbers and be ready to play everyday: The job of the administration or management is to give the manager the best product possible on the ground.... i cant believe that this baller Bo Bichete is going to talk to get his leader kicked out. What they dont know is that what they bring is curse to their lives and career. Teaching Do your job and never hurt anyone. All the bad things you do or wish for others will come back to you and your family.
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Speaking of Baerga, he just posted a few minutes ago that Benintendi still isnt vaccinated. He says he remains open to it but doesnt sound like it will happen anytime soon.

So if Heyman's report that the Jays were talking to KC about him, either the Jays know federal rules will be changing soon (highly unlikely), or they were trying to drive up the price for the Yankees which it appears didnt work.
 
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That baseball trade values site has some interesting values given for certain players. Daulton Varsho is a 26 year old catcher on the D-backs given a value of 76.6.

Kirk (24) - 58.9 baseball trade value
12 hrs, 39 rbi's in 87 games (on pace for 22 hrs, 72 rbi's 5.4 WAR)

Varsho (26) - 76.6
13 hrs, 44 rbi's in 89 games (on pace for 23 hrs, 80 rbi's, 3.6 WAR)

So Kirk is 2 years younger, on pace for almost 2 full WAR than Varsho, was better last year, been an all-star this year while Varsho wasn't, more highly touted in the minors as well, and yet his value is almost 20 points lower (Espinal is around a 20 value on that site for reference)

So by that site, Kirk + Espinal = Varsho in value.

Varsho also has a higher value than Vladdy Jr and Moreno on that site...am I missing something LOL
 
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Preller probably still feels jilted by getting big leagued by the Dodgers at the deadline last year. Now he feels the need to go bigger.

It would gut their system to the bone but having two under 25 studs in Tatis and Soto locked up means you probably don't need those prospects anyways.
 
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San Diego has 3 top 100 prospects; Campusano, Harrell and Wood.

Gotta imagine at least two of the three go plus somebody off the major league roster (Grisham?) along with some lottery ticket types.
 
the g.m preller that has won all the paper awards and trophies. but really hasn't had the production one would have liked big move after big move

big moves should mean improvement. the only time they have finished above 500 was the 60 game covid season. followed by a lackluster season last and then this season10 games over .500

this team was suppose to do what the yankees did at the start of the season. the padres starting rotation was suppose to be godly unstoppable and in the end has to be one of the biggest disappointments of a revamped rotation in a long time

would be funny if they got soto and got worse again
 
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