SDig14
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I know he has had shoulder problems on several occasions. Could be past those now, if the Jays docs are OK with the images then I'm in.
Blue Jays Discussion: Save some runs for the other games, guys. (Jays score team record 28 runs in Friday night drubbing of Red Sox. Yes, that says 28. In one game)
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Yanks lost and Scherzer pitches against them tomorrow.
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Does make you wonder why they woulds trade a guy like this? I think he is 27 yrs old. Not making much. I sure hope the Jays look into any player they obtain regarding injury past etc. Unlike the Leafs who trade their futures for injured players *cough* Foligno.
Everyone on the Tiedemann + Berriera train need to get on board with Nick Frasso. My goodness is he nasty
Everyone on the Tiedemann + Berriera train need to get on board with Nick Frasso. My goodness. Jays know exactly what their doing. We have some major arms in the lower levels right now but patience is a virtue.
Everyone on the Tiedemann + Berriera train need to get on board with Nick Frasso. My goodness. Jays know exactly what their doing. We have some major arms in the lower levels right now but patience is a virtue.
Like Buck said why not take a run at them? Everyone looks at 11.5 and assumes it’s over. Tons of games left.
Yeah I watched a bit of him tonight, not sure why guys like Martinez are so much higher than him. The more Frasso gets exposed the more his hype will build. His arm and stuff look special, he also plays his position well.
In 2015, at the same point (97 games), the Jays trailed the Yankees by 5.5 games and ended up winning the division by 6 games. In other words, they gained 11.5 games on the Yanks over the last 65 games,
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SeaOfBlue
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Sounds like the Jays signed their top 15 picks, including Perry, but didn't sign Davis, Pilon, Pace, or Shaffer.
All in all though they did fantastic. What a draft by the Jays. Jays farm looks like it’s getting loaded again, took a hit with the Chapman and Berrios deals but depth is there now.
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Our farm system has had a really good year with tons of prospects increasing their value.
Outside of the top ranked names all of these guys have had strong seasons.
Addison Barger .317 BA, 17 HR, .957 OPS
Spencer Horwitz .298 BA, 12 HR, .916 OPS
Gabriel Martinez .297 BA, 10 HR, .849 OPS
Damiano Palmegiani .267 BA, 17 HR, .904 OPS
Nick Frasso 0.74 ERA, 0.70 WHIP, 14 S0/9
Yosver Zulueta 3.61 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 13.8 SO/9
Dahian Santos 3.17 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, 14.5 SO/9
Adrian Hernandez 1.88 ERA, 0.87 WHIP, 12.8 SO/9
Trenton Wallace 1.49 ERA, 0.91 WHIP, 12.3 SO/9
I fully expect that we'll be active at the deadline for impact talent and some of these players will be dealt. Sharp teams should be targeting our depth prospects because they look to have decent upside.
Surprisingly enough, not the event involving his foot that gained the most traction tonight.
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High effort delivery, reliever risk, 23 in A+. You don’t realize why a guy 3 years younger, in a level above him, with prodigal power is rated higher? Frasso has been great this year, is top 10 on our prospects list, but he doesn’t offer the same projections as Tiedemann.
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Can the team move on from Zimmer already? His strikeout to PAs ratio is worse than even the most free swinging sluggers in the modern MLB. I'm sure our GM understands that there are sometimes great talents who never fulfill their potentials at the major league level. He may have a bit of a blind spot regarding old favourites under him as a director of player personnel in Cleveland.
Every team including the Blue Jays micromanage their pitching roster all season just to eke out the slightest advantage over carrying the same 10th/11th/12th relievers through the season. Well, how much is lost in the difference between an average spare outfielder and what they've received offensively from this player?
Every team including the Blue Jays micromanage their pitching roster all season just to eke out the slightest advantage over carrying the same 10th/11th/12th relievers through the season. Well, how much is lost in the difference between an average spare outfielder and what they've received offensively from this player?
I think you are misunderstanding his role. In a perfect world, we have 4 outfielders rotating the 3 spots (with Biggio also capable of playing RF).
Zimmer is here to be a defensive sub (he's very good defensively) and as a pinch runner. He's like carrying a 13th forward who only plays PP (and who would get regular shifts if the score got ugly).
He can be upgraded, but the upgrade has to still provide the value that Zimmer does or it doesn't make sense (think of it this way, he has a -0.3 fWAR, but the negatives are largely due to misuse and the positives come in high leverage situations)
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Frankie Montas and AJ Puk comes out to 30.10 on baseball trade values while Luis Castillo 41.2. Both Montas and Castillo have the same years left till FA and like Castillo, Montas has very good #'s against the AL East this season (31.1 innings, 1.45 ERA, 31 k's, 5 starts - 2x TB, 1x Boston, NY and Baltimore). Castillo does average 1mph more on his FB (97 vs 96 for Montas)
Montas + Puk + G. Soto = 41.10 baseball trade value
Castillo + G. Soto = 52.2 baseball trade value
Me personally, I'd rather go with Montas + Puk than Castillo especially with the diff in cost. Add in say G. Soto and all of a sudden you've got Cimber, Garcia, Mayza, Puk, Soto and Romano (3 lefties!) end of game with Manoah, Gausman, Montas, Berrios, Stripling as your rotation. Sign a guy like Conforto from there and let things unfold.
Montas + Puk + G. Soto = 41.10 baseball trade value
Castillo + G. Soto = 52.2 baseball trade value
Me personally, I'd rather go with Montas + Puk than Castillo especially with the diff in cost. Add in say G. Soto and all of a sudden you've got Cimber, Garcia, Mayza, Puk, Soto and Romano (3 lefties!) end of game with Manoah, Gausman, Montas, Berrios, Stripling as your rotation. Sign a guy like Conforto from there and let things unfold.
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There are good defensive subs who can hit modestly well at the major league level.
4th outfielders are required do more than act as defensive subs. A non-hitting outfield sub is a bygone luxury of the days of 10 man pitching staffs and 6 bench players. 4th outfielders start a game or two per week at minimum and should be a threat as a pinch hitter.
He's not our 4th OF. He has 86PA on the season (26 more than Moreno and 10 more than Collins). Tapia is our 4th OF. And Biggio is arguably our 5th.
Eyedea
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FWIW Puk was not vaccinated earlier in the season.
The point is that Zimmer is not a 4th outfielder, he's a 5th. The Jays have a tremendous amount of flexibility in their lineup due to Espinal and Biggio's ability to play multiple positions. This allows them to carry an additional OFer to defensively replace Springer/Teo late in games. I feel bad for the guy because he doesn't get any opportunity to succeed at the plate but the fact that he hasn't sulked about his playing time is a good thing for the Jays. He's bought into the role and they're benefiting from it and allowing guys to rest during a long season. Not a lot of guys out there willing to do what he does for the team.
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True, he's not the 4th outfielder. He's the 5th outfielder (Biggio has been in the OF only 6 times this season). He has 7 hits in his 21 starts with the team. Think about how bad that is for offensive production. He has started 22% of the team's games.
Edit: Although check this out, the team's record when Zimmer has started: 14-7
I have a feeling we’re not going to see a lot of action until the Soto situation is figured out. A lot of teams are in on him and will pivot to other needs once they realize they’re out.
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