Blue Jays Discussion: Save some runs for the other games, guys. (Jays score team record 28 runs in Friday night drubbing of Red Sox. Yes, that says 28. In one game)

[Eyedea]

How do the Yankees always seem to have great farm systems when every year they seem to trade all of them????? Is this a case of the media ? Every year you hear the same thing. How they have such a great farm system. How can they possible do this every year.

That's the trick. They don't trade them. They've been prospect-hugging since Cashman came aboard and they avoid paying premiums on valuable players by targeting guys that are on their post-arb contracts. They dominate the IFA market, they sell in down years (2016), and vets are always wanting to sign there. As much as their might be a case of overvaluing their prospects, they still don't trade them and that lust dissipates. Miguel Andujar? Estevan Florial? Deivi Garcia? List goes on lol.

 

[Apotheosis]

Even though I am massively on the Soto train, the team from a technical standpoint likely gets even better by getting Castillo and another bullpen arm overall. Whatever value Soto brings offensively and in the OF would likely be trumped in the playoffs when teams would have to face Manoah, Castillo, Gausman back to back to back and we all know starting pitching reigns supreme in the playoffs.

 

[Bjindaho]

Here's a crazy thought

Instead of blowing all of our assets on Soto, why not offer to trade directly for Corbin's contract.

We could trade them someone like Beasley and ask for some of their better prospects to not have to pay Corbin any more.

 

[Amadeus]

Id rather get a starter like Castillo and a lefty bat in Josh Bell.

Even okay with Josh Bell and a few quality BP arms.

 

[Bjindaho]

Id rather get a starter like Castillo and a lefty bat in Josh Bell.

Even okay with Josh Bell and a few quality BP arms.

I'd be with you except that we have a competent manager who DHs Kirk regularly so he can hit as often as possible. Add on Springer DHing and we only really have 1-2 games a week where the spot is open.

If we add a bat, it would need to be someone that could remove Zimmer from the roster while still providing the baserunning and D that he does (or be a direct upgrade of the player that the addition is replacing).

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Ian Happ would be a fun add. Bell is a good hitter doesn't fit the makeup of our roster.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Soto is a luxury item

Starting pitching and bullpen help is a necessity .

Prioritize spending assets accordingly

 

[zeke]

Soto is a luxury item

Starting pitching and bullpen help is a necessity .

Prioritize spending assets accordingly

Eh.

Manoah
Gausman
Berrios
Stripling/Kikuchi/Castillo

Is a pretty sweet playoffs rotation tbh.

And all of

Romano
Mayza
Cimber
Garcia
Phelps
Richards
Stripling/Kikuchi/Castillo

Are most likely good relievers too.


Upgrades are always welcome but I don't see any great necessity.

 

[tmlms13]

Soto would be like the Tavares of Blue Jays, nice to have but don't really need him.

They just need to go find a bunch of flame throwers to come out of the bullpen. The K, BB, or HR type pitchers. The starter goes 5 or 6 innings then you get a string of people who throw 99 mph. They might not always know where it's going which is why you can trade for them. Those types of things are where a baseball manager can actually make a difference.

You use a 3-man rotation in the playoffs, who cares about who your 4 and 5 guys are. Remember in 2015/2016 RA Dickey and Mark Buerhle were left off the playoff roster.

 

[stats1]

Soto would be like the Tavares of Blue Jays, nice to have but don't really need him.

They just need to go find a bunch of flame throwers to come out of the bullpen. The K, BB, or HR type pitchers. The starter goes 5 or 6 innings then you get a string of people who throw 99 mph. They might not always know where it's going which is why you can trade for them. Those types of things are where a baseball manager can actually make a difference.

You use a 3-man rotation in the playoffs, who cares about who your 4 and 5 guys are. Remember in 2015/2016 RA Dickey and Mark Buerhle were left off the playoff roster.

Bingo! I’m not comfortable busting our system over Soto as good as he is. He’s pure luxury. This team needs power arms in the pen and a lefty bat. And another starter (my top target would be Castillo).

 

[ER89]

Soto is a luxury item

Starting pitching and bullpen help is a necessity .

Prioritize spending assets accordingly

yeah but soto....... imagine how fun soto and vlad would be.

 

[Eyedea]

The assets that you would need to strike a deal for Soto are different than the ones used to acquire SP/RP help. He's also 23, hasn't had a season with an OBP under .400 in pro ball, and during the Nats 2019 WS run as a 21 year old he led his team in hits, walks, home runs, and runs scored. Yanks, Dodgers, Cards, Mets, Mariners, Giants, and Padres all are likely trade candidates, with the Padres being the only non top-10 hitting team out of the group. No such thing as luxury when even the best teams are still looking for hitting and pitching.

 

[canucksfan]

Outside shot, but I still think the Jays could catch the Yanks.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Outside shot, but I still think the Jays could catch the Yanks.

If the yanks play .500 ball the rest of the way, the Jays would have to play .700 ball to catch them IIRC

 

[FreeBird]

yeah but soto....... imagine how fun soto and vlad would be.

Vlad would be part of the package for SOTO

 

[ER89]

Vlad would be part of the package for SOTO

lmfao no he wouldn't.

 

[canucksfan]

If the yanks play .500 ball the rest of the way, the Jays would have to play .700 ball to catch them IIRC

It's a big long shot but if the Yanks continue to have injury problems and don't do much at the deadline I think there is a chance. They have overachieved a lot.

 

[dredeye]

That would be kind of funny. Trade for his albatross contract, because he is anti vax put him on the restricted list and he doesn't get paid!

That's actually a solid loophole around his contract lol. At least likely for this year anyway

 

[MAB1]

Soto would be like the Tavares of Blue Jays, nice to have but don't really need him.

They just need to go find a bunch of flame throwers to come out of the bullpen. The K, BB, or HR type pitchers. The starter goes 5 or 6 innings then you get a string of people who throw 99 mph. They might not always know where it's going which is why you can trade for them. Those types of things are where a baseball manager can actually make a difference.

You use a 3-man rotation in the playoffs, who cares about who your 4 and 5 guys are. Remember in 2015/2016 RA Dickey and Mark Buerhle were left off the playoff roster.

Tavares was like 27 when he signed here, Juan Soto is 23 years old (literally younger than Bichette). Even when Tavares signed here, nobody thought he would be the best player on the team. Soto becomes the best player on the team the moment the Jays trade for him. Acquiring Soto would be like trading for a 23 year old Mackinnon/Malkin if you really wanna make hockey comparisons. Every NHL team needs that, the same way every MLB team needs a Soto.

Dickey was never left off the playoff roster, he's the one that blew game 4 of the ALCS in 2015 before the Jays had a chance to bat.

Acquiring a starter while important provides how many starts till the end of the season + playoffs? Soto is in the lineup everyday, and allows you to trade a guy like Gurriel for Castillo.

Getting bullpen pieces shouldn't stop you from upgrading your roster in this way.

 

[Advanced stats]

Vlad would be part of the package for SOTO

 

[Discoverer]

Tavares was like 27 when he signed here, Juan Soto is 23 years old (literally younger than Bichette). Even when Tavares signed here, nobody thought he would be the best player on the team. Soto becomes the best player on the team the moment the Jays trade for him. Acquiring Soto would be like trading for a 23 year old Mackinnon/Malkin if you really wanna make hockey comparisons. Every NHL team needs that, the same way every MLB team needs a Soto.

Dickey was never left off the playoff roster, he's the one that blew game 4 of the ALCS in 2015 before the Jays had a chance to bat.

Acquiring a starter while important provides how many starts till the end of the season + playoffs? Soto is in the lineup everyday, and allows you to trade a guy like Gurriel for Castillo.

Getting bullpen pieces shouldn't stop you from upgrading your roster in this way.

Dickey was left off in 2016.

 

[canucksfan]

 

[Suntouchable13]

If the yanks play .500 ball the rest of the way, the Jays would have to play .700 ball to catch them IIRC

And if the Yanks play bellow .500 the rest of the way then the Jays don’t need .700 to catch them. Look it, I know it’s not probable, I know the season didn’t start they way we wanted but they just have to continue playing well and let the chips fall where they may. The bottom line is just get in the playoffs, preferably hot.

 

[tmlms13]

Tavares was like 27 when he signed here, Juan Soto is 23 years old (literally younger than Bichette). Even when Tavares signed here, nobody thought he would be the best player on the team. Soto becomes the best player on the team the moment the Jays trade for him. Acquiring Soto would be like trading for a 23 year old Mackinnon/Malkin if you really wanna make hockey comparisons. Every NHL team needs that, the same way every MLB team needs a Soto.

Dickey was never left off the playoff roster, he's the one that blew game 4 of the ALCS in 2015 before the Jays had a chance to bat.

Acquiring a starter while important provides how many starts till the end of the season + playoffs? Soto is in the lineup everyday, and allows you to trade a guy like Gurriel for Castillo.

Getting bullpen pieces shouldn't stop you from upgrading your roster in this way.

What I mean is the Jays already have a great offence, just like the Leafs had a great offense. They don't need to improve it adding a great offensive player. The Leafs needed a better D, Jays need a better Pen.

If you had to choose, you can't do both, upgrade with Soto or add a couple premier bullpen arms. I'm taking the pen.

I keep hearing people mention improving the 5th starter too. I wouldn't it's irrelevant for a playoff run, just like the 5th starters were last time the Jays had a deep run. If you want to do like a David Price type improvement that ok, you're improving on your staff ace, don't bother getting a better version of Chicken Strips.

Buerhle wasn't on the 2015 playoff roster (was 5th starter) and Dickey wasn't on the 2016 playoff roster (was 5th starter).

 

[TGB]

At this point last year (date), the Jays were 49 and 47.

Man, the Jays are lucky. They lost surprisingly little ground after the swoon at the beginning of the month, and all of the teams they're racing swooned themselves right afterwards.