Soto will cost 4 if our top kids, add in Castillo and our farm system will be bottom 3-5. Although the following two years the big club would be legit contender status and stacked
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Which team is likely to give the Reds the best package for Castillo? What could they realistically get? — Matthew R.
Obviously, the teams with the deepest farm systems have the best shot, but you also need a general manager who will part with the prospects to land Castillo. The Dodgers, Blue Jays and Mariners are all willing and able. I think the Reds will get a package that includes three of an organization’s top-25 prospects.
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I’ll ask the question on the mind of every Nats fan: Where does Josh Bell end up? Could Washington receive some decent pitching prospects in return? — Griffin H.
Bell will be traded. The Blue Jays, Rays, Astros and Mets are all possible landing spots. The Nationals will probably net a decent pitching prospect and a mid-level prospect in return.
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You are given control over the Blue Jays for the next month. What moves would you make (or not make) to increase their World Series chances and window as much as possible? — Jason B.
I would make a serious run at Juan Soto and Luis Castillo. This Blue Jays team’s window to win a World Series extends three to four years, and it’s time to go for it. Can you imagine Soto hitting between Bo Bichette and Vladimir Guerrero Jr. for the next several years.? The Blue Jays need a left-handed impact bat to better balance their lineup. They also need another quality starter, and Castillo is a difference-maker. The Blue Jays’ farm system is strong at the top and deep; they have the financial and prospect resources to get one of those stars, maybe even both. It’s go time.
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The other way to think about it is this and Steve Phillips brought this up. If you go all in and get Soto then you move Gurriel in a package for pitching. It also gives you options on where to spend the money. Jays can’t sign everyone so it would give Atkins the chance to win now and also reshape the roster once all these guys are up for extensions. Do you trade Vlad and sign Soto? Do you trade Bichette to get your farm system back up from life support? It would give Atkins a lot to think about and flexibility.
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You’re probably right. I’m on the fence about Soto. Getting him would send shockwaves not only throughout the league but every Jays fan in this country. Having arguably the best bat in the league for 3 playoff runs who also fits into the age group of this core is also great. But only downfall is he wouldn’t fix our biggest need and the cost would be gigantic. I just think we can improve this team in the short term without completely destroying our farm depth.
What about Moreno+Bichette for Soto?
Kirk/Jansen share catcher/DH. Gurriel becomes the 4th outfielder but splits DH with Jansen/Kirk. We lose Bichette's potential but don't lose to much because Espinal and Biggio have been as good as Bichette this year and we have a lot of infield talent in the system.
1) Springer
2) Soto
3) Gurrerro
4) Hernandez
5) Kirk
6) Gurriel/Jansen
7) Chapman
8) Espinal
9) Biggio
Kirk/Jansen share catcher/DH. Gurriel becomes the 4th outfielder but splits DH with Jansen/Kirk. We lose Bichette's potential but don't lose to much because Espinal and Biggio have been as good as Bichette this year and we have a lot of infield talent in the system.
1) Springer
2) Soto
3) Gurrerro
4) Hernandez
5) Kirk
6) Gurriel/Jansen
7) Chapman
8) Espinal
9) Biggio
I think if Atkins does get Soto it’s a signal he’s basically all in the next 3 years and after that you figure out who you spend the money on. Also Gurriel would have to go to make room for Soto, maybe package him in a deal for Castillo? A lot of moving pieces for sure
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Is there a quality center-fielder we could get as well, as a back-up? I'm always worried about Springer being healthy.
It would be a lot more than Moreno and Bichette. Probably the framework of a deal would be Bichette, Moreno, Tiedemann, Martinez
Eyedea
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A lot of media heads in the states fail to realize that the Jays also get negative impact on the vaccination policy. How many players in the league are untouchable for Atkins because they’re unvaccinated? Probably a lot of depth pieces are unattainable because they wouldn’t be able to play home games here
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The Nats seem insistent on Corbin being included which means you're probably looking at Bichette + Moreno + Groshans/Martinez as equal value. I just hate the thought of having so much money tied up in Corbin, Ryu and Kikuchi even if it's only for a few years. That's about $60 million a season just being wasted.
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Baseball Trade values has their values as this...
Soto 176.8
Corbin -54.9
Bichette 96.7
Moreno 69.9
If we really wanted to aquire Soto, I don't think there's many teams that have a better starting point than Bichette/Moreno.
Eyedea
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I really want to see this Soto + Corbin to Jays deal go down. Not only because we get Juan freaking Soto, but because Corbin is apparently anti-vax and spreads bullshit info all over his social media. What's more important to him, the 60m, or his freedom/liberties?
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That would be kind of funny. Trade for his albatross contract, because he is anti vax put him on the restricted list and he doesn't get paid!
Lol that would be hilarious! Take on the contract to lower the price on Soto and then do a *180 and not pay half of what’s left on his deal because he can’t pitch in home games.
is it bad that a lot of why I want soto to be a jay is so i can get his card in baseball games lmfao?
Suntouchable13
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That doesn’t seem like such a priority to me since Tapia has been hot.
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Hmm interesting. It didn't cost as much as expected
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as Pure as Evil
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kid looked stoked to be a jay. now its official. time to prove your point to those other 22 teams
My first thought was that, as good as he is, a lot of Jays fans are throwing together huge overpayments for Soto. So I'm glad this backs it up. Bichette and Moreno is close to a fair deal for Soto alone. But taking on Corbin and throwing in a couple more top prospects? Nope. Not a chance.
I've mentioned before that if the deal includes Bo, I would just look elsewhere instead. But I also don't see a reason something like Moreno/Tiedemann/Orelvis for Soto/Corbin couldn't work, and I don't think many teams would easily beat that.
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HM plus 50-31 listed, still no Jays.
Bichette, Kirk, Vladdy, Manoah top 30? Moreno is interesting because he wasn't listed in the HM section and Oneil Cruz just came up at 38 with the obvious question marks surrounding his contact rates and position. Moreno's (prorated) future projections grade him out similarly to Rutschman and his ability to play elite defence at C should list him higher than Francisco Alvarez and Keibert Ruiz (both HMs). Baseball trade values considers him as the 34th most valuable player based on median estimate, though that also has guys like Vladdy, Kirk, and Yordan Alvarez below him due control and surplus value. Will be interesting to see where these guys land on the list.
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How do the Yankees always seem to have great farm systems when every year they seem to trade all of them????? Is this a case of the media ? Every year you hear the same thing. How they have such a great farm system. How can they possible do this every year.
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