Blue Jays Discussion: Save some runs for the other games, guys. (Jays score team record 28 runs in Friday night drubbing of Red Sox. Yes, that says 28. In one game)

[Tufted Titmouse]

I don't think they'd turn down Moreno (a top 10 prospect) just because they have Ruiz. He's not exactly going full Kirk and he's two years older than Moreno. I don't even think Ruiz was as highly touted of a prospect as Moreno in the minors but not too familiar.

I don't think they would turn down Moreno, but I also don't think they'd take him if a similar package was being offered by another team with a high end SP or 3B prospect instead. Competition for Soto will be fierce, I doubt anyone outside of the Dodgers, Yankees or Red Sox lands him.

 

[MAB1]

I don't think they would turn down Moreno, but I also don't think they'd take him if a similar package was being offered by another team with a high end SP or 3B prospect instead. Competition for Soto will be fierce, I doubt anyone outside of the Dodgers, Yankees or Red Sox lands him.

They don't have the pieces and probably won't commit the $ long-term. There's a reason they got rid of Betts. Catchers are one of the valuable positions in baseball, much more so than a 3B. Donaldson was drafted as a catcher and moved to 3B. Moreno's bat in the minors plays regardless of position. The Jays would almost have to start their offer with Bichette + Moreno to match the Yankees Torres + Volpe and whatever the Dodgers or Mets put together.

 

[canucksfan]

I don't think they would turn down Moreno, but I also don't think they'd take him if a similar package was being offered by another team with a high end SP or 3B prospect instead. Competition for Soto will be fierce, I doubt anyone outside of the Dodgers, Yankees or Red Sox lands him.

If the Yankees get him, Judge likely goes assuming of course they sign Soto long-term.

 

[Tony Romo]

Athletic posted a Luis Castilo article.

The offer from the Jays was Groshans and Yosver Zulueta

 

[Morgs]

I don't think they would turn down Moreno, but I also don't think they'd take him if a similar package was being offered by another team with a high end SP or 3B prospect instead. Competition for Soto will be fierce, I doubt anyone outside of the Dodgers, Yankees or Red Sox lands him.

The way I see it is that there's maybe 17 (probably stretching a few too) teams that can afford his next contract (I'm assuming that anyone that acquires him will at least attempt to re-sign him).

5 teams that have the pieces, the cash, and would be a fit: Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, Padres, Blue Jays.

3 Teams that have the pieces, potentially the cash, but I don't see the fit: Cardinals, Rangers, Reds

9 teams likely don't have the pieces: Phillies, Red Sox, White Sox, Angels, Braves, Astros, Giants, Cubs, and Brewers.

For me it's one of the top 5 that are the only likely players involved. The other 3 are dark horses for sure, but I just can't see them being in it for various reasons. The other 9 teams I'd guess can't come near the offers of the other 8, so something would have to go wrong for any of those teams to get Soto.

 

[Canada4Gold]

They don't have the pieces and probably won't commit the $ long-term. There's a reason they got rid of Betts. Catchers are one of the valuable positions in baseball, much more so than a 3B. Donaldson was drafted as a catcher and moved to 3B. Moreno's bat in the minors plays regardless of position. The Jays would almost have to start their offer with Bichette + Moreno to match the Yankees Torres + Volpe and whatever the Dodgers or Mets put together.

Bichette and Moreno are worth way more than Torres and Volpe. Bichette has an extra year than Torres and has been the better player both offensively and defensively. He was worth 4 times as much fWAR last year, and despite the offensive struggles this year is only barely behind this year because Torres has been so bad defensively that he's been moved to 2nd and is still grading out negatively there while Bo is still a positive defender at SS.

Moreno and Volpe are kind of close but I'd still give the edge to Moreno given his defensive abilities.

FWIW Baseball Trade Values has the 4 worth the following excess value in million of dollars for the remainder of their control

Bo: 96.7 million
Moreno: 69.9 million
Volpe: 52.6 million
Torres: 14.1 million

While I could see the number for Bo being a little high given his struggles this year they actually did an update recently and it was higher and did go down.

The Dodgers would have to give up Lux and their top 3 prospects to even get close to the same values from the Bo/Moreno, and the Mets would have to give up McNeil, Alvarez, Baty, and their next best 2 prospects to get that same value.

Now Baseball Trade Values is obviously an estimate, and Bo's number does comparitively seem high, and the Nats get to decide who they like more not who some model or the public values more. But when Soto is traded if it's somewhere else I expect the return to be less valuable than Bo and Moreno.

 

[MAB1]

Athletic posted a Luis Castilo article.

The offer from the Jays was Groshans and Yosver Zulueta

I'd honestly do that trade. Castillo's #'s against the AL East this year at a quick glance are very good: 26 IP, 1.38 ERA, 31k's (4 starts, 1 x NYY, Toronto, TB, Boston)

 

[canucksfan]

The way I see it is that there's maybe 17 (probably stretching a few too) teams that can afford his next contract (I'm assuming that anyone that acquires him will at least attempt to re-sign him).

5 teams that have the pieces, the cash, and would be a fit: Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, Padres, Blue Jays.

3 Teams that have the pieces, potentially the cash, but I don't see the fit: Cardinals, Rangers, Reds

9 teams likely don't have the pieces: Phillies, Red Sox, White Sox, Angels, Braves, Astros, Giants, Cubs, and Brewers.

For me it's one of the top 5 that are the only likely players involved. The other 3 are dark horses for sure, but I just can't see them being in it for various reasons. The other 9 teams I'd guess can't come near the offers of the other 8, so something would have to go wrong for any of those teams to get Soto.

What about the Mariners?

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

The way I see it is that there's maybe 17 (probably stretching a few too) teams that can afford his next contract (I'm assuming that anyone that acquires him will at least attempt to re-sign him).

5 teams that have the pieces, the cash, and would be a fit: Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, Padres, Blue Jays.

3 Teams that have the pieces, potentially the cash, but I don't see the fit: Cardinals, Rangers, Reds

9 teams likely don't have the pieces: Phillies, Red Sox, White Sox, Angels, Braves, Astros, Giants, Cubs, and Brewers.

For me it's one of the top 5 that are the only likely players involved. The other 3 are dark horses for sure, but I just can't see them being in it for various reasons. The other 9 teams I'd guess can't come near the offers of the other 8, so something would have to go wrong for any of those teams to get Soto.

Do you think we will have the cash? I worry about Rogers. We'd be one near the top for payrolls in a few years.

 

[as Pure as Evil]

anyone happen to know if BBB still does the draft sign/not signing charts with price tags and bonus. been on the site just havent been able to see it. they used to have it up before the end of the draft

 

[Morgs]

What about the Mariners?

I had them involved and then really questioned it and took them off. I should have kept them as a dark horse.

 

[Morgs]

Do you think we will have the cash? I worry about Rogers. We'd be one near the top for payrolls in a few years.

They've always said that they're willing to spend. I could see the Jays even spending assets for 3 years of playoffs as they're clearly in a competing prime right now. Adding a player like Soto between 23-25 while attempting to win 3 WS while he's 'cheap' is worth the prospect capital (and maybe a non-Bichette/Espinal asset).

 

[Canada4Gold]

anyone happen to know if BBB still does the draft sign/not signing charts with price tags and bonus. been on the site just havent been able to see it. they used to have it up before the end of the draft

Not that, but the guys over at this forum usually is well on top of it once guys start signing

2022 Toronto Blue Jays Draft Signing Table | Results, Rumors and Bonus Amounts

https://i.imgur.com/VHBUTEV.png 2022 Bonus Pool: $8,372,100 Total Bonus Pool (+5%): $8,790,705 01|Brandon Barriera ($3,076,900)|$3,597,500 02|Josh Kasevich ($1,216,700)|$0,997,500 02|Tucker Toman ($0,846,900)|$2,000,000 02|Cade Doughty ($0,833,600)|$0,831,100 03|Alan Roden...

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[as Pure as Evil]

pick one team that you could get a

Lh power bat
sub 3 era reliver
3-3.5 era pitcher.

and make a non crippling package

Not that, but the guys over at this forum usually is well on top of it once guys start signing

2022 Toronto Blue Jays Draft Signing Table | Results, Rumors and Bonus Amounts

https://i.imgur.com/VHBUTEV.png 2022 Bonus Pool: $8,372,100 Total Bonus Pool (+5%): $8,790,705 01|Brandon Barriera ($3,076,900)|$3,597,500 02|Josh Kasevich ($1,216,700)|$0,997,500 02|Tucker Toman ($0,846,900)|$2,000,000 02|Cade Doughty ($0,833,600)|$0,831,100 03|Alan Roden...

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thanks dude. i used to watch those stressfully knowing someone in our top few picks wouldn't sign. the good ole days eh. now 90% of the time everyone signs to be on this team( another reason im very happy with shapiro and atkins)

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

They've always said that they're willing to spend. I could see the Jays even spending assets for 3 years of playoffs as they're clearly in a competing prime right now. Adding a player like Soto between 23-25 while attempting to win 3 WS while he's 'cheap' is worth the prospect capital (and maybe a non-Bichette/Espinal asset).

For the record, I agree, and as always appreciate you sharing your baseball related takes. They are always quality!

 

[canucksfan]

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

 

[trellaine201]

Are we trade match with Miami? They are flailing abit lately and unlikely to make the post season. They seem to lack offense. Any pitching that interests the Jays?

 

[Discoverer]

Despite all the smoke, I'm gonna guess that Soto doesn't get moved until the offseason. And if he does get moved in the next couple weeks, I think the price will seem underwhelming compared to some of the expectations (it'll be a huge prospect package, but no current star like Bo, and Corbin will be attached to bring the prospect cost down a bit).

 

[Suntouchable13]

I would wager that will be the pitching schedule in a 3 game wild card series, unless we get another starter or Berrios shows more consistency.

 

[Tony Romo]

I'd honestly do that trade. Castillo's #'s against the AL East this year at a quick glance are very good: 26 IP, 1.38 ERA, 31k's (4 starts, 1 x NYY, Toronto, TB, Boston)

I believe Castillo comes with a year and a half of control also. So going into next year with Gausman, Berrios, Manoah and him. Would be very ideal.

 

[as Pure as Evil]

Are we trade match with Miami? They are flailing abit lately and unlikely to make the post season. They seem to lack offense. Any pitching that interests the Jays?

According to a article i was reading , its been discussed since pre lockout. with us almost doing a deal for teo for anderson plus one of the starters. that ship sailed as we went out and got chapman.

last i heard they wanted kirk for lopez or hernandez(bombed this year and got sent to aaa) and wouldnt talk about alcantara or rodgers . if im trading kirk i demand one of the last 2

 

[MAB1]

I believe Castillo comes with a year and a half of control also. So going into next year with Gausman, Berrios, Manoah and him. Would be very ideal.

And I believe Ryu's $ comes off the books when Castillo hits free agency so any raise can just be covered with that money.

 

[phillipmike]

deleter

 

[SDig14]

Moreno and Groshans have really struggled hitting for any power in AAA but both slugged well in AA. Groshans slugging fell off a cliff once he hit AAA so any trade with him as a center piece for any great players at the deadline is an easy yes for me.

I do think there's a jump from AA to AAA so it may take some time to adjust, but I'm not too worried about Moreno. I am worried about Groshans since he will he 23 soon.