Blue Jays Discussion: Save some runs for the other games, guys. (Jays score team record 28 runs in Friday night drubbing of Red Sox. Yes, that says 28. In one game)

[The Nemesis]

the comments about barriera and the mocks he was highly touted and a mid round steal till he slipped to us. the minute we drafted we started hearing he's short for a starter(6'2 - false) short low 90s(hitting high 90s) (Has a 4 pitch repertoire) ect. i think he's getting flack for shutting himself early and forego a pre draft injury.

we will find out in a year or so how they track but i liked our plan of filling up some A+++ hit tools guys, flame thrower pen arms a few A + Fielders and a couple nice starters. plus a starter in Barriera who could have a tiederman like vaunt through the system

I think it's important to know if this correlates with nobody believing in him and having a chip on his shoulder #HDMH #BrandingBrandingBranding

 

[as Pure as Evil]

anyone else wondering if we might be able to get a rodon deal done with kikuchi going the other way. along with some capital.

other target is the pirates with bednar and reynolds. id assume one of our corner outfielders would have to go in the return

if the whitesox keep falling some interesting names there same goes for the marlins cubs along with a few others

I think it's important to know if this correlates with nobody believing in him and having a chip on his shoulder #HDMH #BrandingBrandingBranding

i didn't get the stroman comps for that point. he's a good 5inches taller then stroman at 18 . i think we got a hell of a talent either way

 

[The Nemesis]

anyone else wondering if we might be able to get a rodon deal done with kikuchi going the other way. along with some capital.

other target is the pirates with bednar and reynolds. id assume one of our corner outfielders would have to go in the return

if the whitesox keep falling some interesting names there same goes for the marlins cubs along with a few others



i didn't get the stroman comps for that point. he's a good 5inches taller then stroman at 18 . i think we got a hell of a talent either way

I just always look a Stroman whenever there's an issue of "but what if he's too short?" because if Stroman isn't too short, then nobody is.

 

[dredeye]

Yeah these grades are strange. Same with the scouting reports; more than one analyst/reports have brought up Barriera's size as being an issue which is strange to me. They are "concerned with his size" or call him the "small lefty"



Barriera is 6'2" and 180.

The 3 pitchers taken in front of him are;
Lesko: 6'2" and 195
Murphy: 6'1" and 190
Hjerpe: 6'3" and 200

The three behind him excluding Schultz were;
Sims: 6'2" and 227
Ritchie: 6'2" and 185
Harrington: 6'2" and 185

None of the scouting reports on MLB.com bring up these players size when they are they are practically the same height and only 5-10 pounds heavier. Maybe they are referring to his weight but even then its strange to bring up his size as a concern twice when he is the youngest player out of this group, some by a year and others by 3 years. It isnt impossible for an 18 year old to gain 10-20 pounds.

Average MLB pitcher is 6"3' too and currently our rotation has the following;

Berrios: 6'0" and 205
Kikuchi: 6'0" and 205
Stripling: 6'1" and 215
Gausman: 6'2" and 205
Manoah: 6'6" and 285

Even Ryu isnt that tall: 6'3" but he is heavier at 250. And if its weight, Barriera can easily add 20-25 over the next 3-4 years. You look at the other end, too much weight can affect your knees and durability too.

If Barriera doesnt make it, it isnt going to be because of his size.

It appears he had a bit of a growth spurt. I think when they were scouting him he was smaller

 

[Blitzkrug]

So, looking at the top prospects list;

White Sox: Montgomery (92nd, ETA of 2025), do have enticing pieces on the MLB roster

Cardinals: Walker (4th, ETA of 2023), Liberatore (45th, ETA of 22), Herrera (82nd, ETA of 2022), Wynn (89th, ETA of 2024)

Mets: Alvarez (2nd, eta of 2023), Bady (23rd, ETA of 2022), Mauricio (52nd, ETA of 2023), Ramirez (87th, ETA 2024),

Yankees: Volpe (8th, ETA 2023), Peraza (38th, ETA 2022), Domínguez (39th, ETA 2024), Wells (71st, ETA 2023), Waldichuk (72nd, ETA 20222),

Dodgers: Cartaya (16th, ETA 2023), Miller (26th, ETA 2022), Busch (42nd, ETA 2022), Pages (47th, eta 2023), Vargas (70th, eta 2022), Pepitot (75th, 2022 ETA)

If the Corbin contract is a must go in a deal as well i don't see how he doesn't end up with the Mets or Dodgers. That type of power move is right up Cohen's alley and he wouldn't be afraid to roll out the Brinks truck for Soto. The Dodgers also have a similarly unlimited budget where they can eat that. They've already done that with prior trades too.

Kinda sucks because the Jays could actually compete with any of those offers in terms of prospects too.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Possible deadline acquisition?

Josh Bell, 1B, WAS
394pa .311/.390/.504 13hr 49rbi 42bb 53so 2.6WAR
Pro: Switch hitter, middle of the order bat who walks a lot and doesn't strike out a lot.
-No platoon splits.
-Could put him between Vlad and Kirk or between Kirk and Teo.
Con: Free agent, limited to 1B or DH, prospect cost.

 

[Suntouchable13]

It's really an exciting time to be a Blue Jay fan right now. Let's see how the team loads up for a playoff run.

 

[dredeye]

Possible deadline acquisition?

Josh Bell, 1B, WAS
394pa .311/.390/.504 13hr 49rbi 42bb 53so 2.6WAR
Pro: Switch hitter, middle of the order bat who walks a lot and doesn't strike out a lot.
-No platoon splits.
-Could put him between Vlad and Kirk or between Kirk and Teo.
Con: Free agent, limited to 1B or DH, prospect cost.

No use for a 1B/DH

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

No use for a 1B/DH

Big use for a lefty power bat.

 

[Tony Romo]

So, looking at the top prospects list;

White Sox: Montgomery (92nd, ETA of 2025), do have enticing pieces on the MLB roster

Cardinals: Walker (4th, ETA of 2023), Liberatore (45th, ETA of 22), Herrera (82nd, ETA of 2022), Wynn (89th, ETA of 2024)

Mets: Alvarez (2nd, eta of 2023), Bady (23rd, ETA of 2022), Mauricio (52nd, ETA of 2023), Ramirez (87th, ETA 2024),

Yankees: Volpe (8th, ETA 2023), Peraza (38th, ETA 2022), Domínguez (39th, ETA 2024), Wells (71st, ETA 2023), Waldichuk (72nd, ETA 20222),

Dodgers: Cartaya (16th, ETA 2023), Miller (26th, ETA 2022), Busch (42nd, ETA 2022), Pages (47th, eta 2023), Vargas (70th, eta 2022), Pepitot (75th, 2022 ETA)

If the Corbin contract is a must go in a deal as well i don't see how he doesn't end up with the Mets or Dodgers. That type of power move is right up Cohen's alley and he wouldn't be afraid to roll out the Brinks truck for Soto. The Dodgers also have a similarly unlimited budget where they can eat that. They've already done that with prior trades too.

Kinda sucks because the Jays could actually compete with any of those offers in terms of prospects too.

Lu Bob and Soto would be so much fun.

 

[dredeye]

Big use for a lefty power bat.

Not that doesn’t have a position to play

 

[phillipmike]

Wasn’t a slam dunk to sign so good news;





Only Tiedemann would hurt;

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Suntouchable13]

I still feel like if we get another impact starter, we’d be one of the top 2 or 3 favourites to win the AL pennant with or without Soto. But yes, if we get a chance to acquire him we should do it.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

My thought on Soto is we'd be giving up Bo and Tiddies in the package, then more on top. Unfortunately they do not need a C, our position of strength at the moment.

The only players I wouldn't be comfortable moving are Vlad and Alek.

Will Rogers pay up for the largest contract in NA sports history, though?

 

[ShaneFalco]

 

[Eyedea]

My thought on Soto is we'd be giving up Bo and Tiddies in the package, then more on top. Unfortunately they do not need a C, our position of strength at the moment.

The only players I wouldn't be comfortable moving are Vlad and Alek.

Will Rogers pay up for the largest contract in NA sports history, though?

If they were to decline a top 5 prospect because they don't have a need for a C, then they're not maximizing their return. If the Mets were to swing a deal, they'd most likely include Francisco Alvarez who is also a C. Get the best assets now and worry about having too many Cs when you get there (plus Moreno is athletic enough to move off if they so desire).

 

[Suntouchable13]

It would really irritate me if the Yankees end up getting Soto. Man, that would really grind my gears.

 

[canucksfan]

 

[canucksfan]

This is an interesting read

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Was scouring the Jays lower minors for any notable performers and found the following. Couldn't find reports on all of them.

Vancouver (A+):

Damiano Palmegiani, 3B/1B, R/R
6'1" 195lbs
Age: 22 (14th round 2021)
91pa .304/.451/.565 4hr 14rbi 6(2b) 16bb 15so

Alejandro Melean, RHP
6'0" 175lbs
Age: 21 (Signed 2017)
9g 32ip 20h 8bb 35so

Dunedin (Rk):

Yhoangel Aponte, CF, R/R
5'11" 190lbs
Age: 18 (Signed 2021)
94pa .268/.351/.439 2hr 16rbi 6(2b) 1(3b) 9bb 28so 4sb 1cs

J.C. Masson, RF, L/R
6'3" 193lbs
Age: 19 (26th round 2019)
72pa .339/.472/.500 0hr 6rbi 5(2b) 2(3b) 11bb 17so

Robert Robertis, LF, L/L
5'11" 188lbs
Age: 19 (Signed 2019)
67pa .356/.433/.475 0hr 6rbi 1(2b) 3(3b) 8bb 13so3sb 1cs

Endri Garcia, LF, R/R
6'0" 163lbs
Age: 19 (Signed 2019)
48pa .318/.375/.432 0hr 8rbi 3(2b) 1(3b) 4bb 14so 3sb 0cs

Victor Mesia, C, R/R
5'9" 175lbs
Age: 19 (Signed 2019)
44pa .243/.364/.460 1hr 5rbi 3(2b) 1(3b) 5bb 12so

Dominican Blue Jays (Rk):

Gregori Cano, 1B/3B, L/R
6'1" 180lbs
Age: 18 (Signed 2021)
98pa .243/.418/.297 0hr 12rbi 4(2b) 0(3b) 21bb 28so

Carlos Vasquez, C/2B, L/R
5'8" 150lbs
Age: 17 (Signed 2022)
83pa .333/.458/.379 0hr 8rbi 3(2b) 14bb 16so

Luis Torres, RHP
6'1" 165lbs
Age: 17 (Signed 2022)
9g 22.1ip 10h 12bb 26so

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

This is an interesting read

Great article. 32 years old? Curley is an impressive person all around. Work ethic through the roof.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Great article. 32 years old? Curley is an impressive person all around. Work ethic through the roof.

Great article, very interesting.. I love that the Jays are building a rep for being a great team for families to join. That’s a big draw and shows that, despite our disdain for Rogers, that there is a good front office culture.

 

[Discoverer]

Vancouver (A+):

Damiano Palmegiani, 3B/1B, R/R
6'1" 195lbs
Age: 22 (14th round 2021)
91pa .304/.451/.565 4hr 14rbi 6(2b) 16bb 15so

Palmegiani is a guy I seem to notice doing something every time I check the Jays MiLB boxscores, but I've never taking any time to check him out.... is he ever having an amazing season. At 22, a 144 wRC+ in A-ball and then up to 184 in A+, with a ton of walks and a solid K-rate, and lots of power.

As with most slugging college picks, you probably don't want to get too excited until we see what he can do at the upper levels of the minors, but you couldn't really ask for more than what he's done so far.

Apparently the Jays love him, though... they drafted him out of high school in 2018 before taking him again last year.

 

[MAB1]

My thought on Soto is we'd be giving up Bo and Tiddies in the package, then more on top. Unfortunately they do not need a C, our position of strength at the moment.

The only players I wouldn't be comfortable moving are Vlad and Alek.

Will Rogers pay up for the largest contract in NA sports history, though?

I don't think they'd turn down Moreno (a top 10 prospect) just because they have Ruiz. He's not exactly going full Kirk and he's two years older than Moreno. I don't even think Ruiz was as highly touted of a prospect as Moreno in the minors but not too familiar.