Confirmed with Link: Sandin to Washington for Erik Gustafsson and 1st (BOS)

[Superstar]

major mistake moving this kid...... well add him to the long list or ex-leafs to breakout once they left.
this team frustrates me so much, this kinda takes me back to the Sundin days

Yep...Courtnall, Damphousse, Stralman, and Steen are several that come to mind...and there are deals that should have been made, but aren't, like Kaberle plus for Pronger.

 

[Menzinger]

They forgive William Nylander for sitting out months for a contract but can't forgive Sandin for maximizing his contract value? Doesn't pass the sniff test to me.

I don't think its so much the holdout itself - something that's just part of negotiations sometimes.

Sandin wanted to play higher in the lineup there were a lot of bodies ahead of him standing in the way of that and there was probably concern that his value would drop if he spent the bulk of the playoffs in the press box.

 

[sxvnert]

New team bump getting Carlson minutes.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I don't think its so much the holdout itself - something that's just part of negotiations sometimes.

Sandin wanted to play higher in the lineup there were a lot of bodies ahead of him standing in the way of that and there was probably concern that his value would drop if he spent the bulk of the playoffs in the press box.

The only thing that rubs me the wrong way with that situation is that he got a better opportunity than just about any 22 year old D will get other than Makar and MacAvoy, it’s not often you get a chance on the 1st PP in the playoffs with 4 all stars on your line. He didn’t run with the opportunity, that’s on him.

I’d understand Liljegren acting like Sandin about the contract situation a lot more, he’s put in much more work into his game with less opportunity and it shows.

 

[Judas Tavares]

What if you lump it in with the Kadri trade? Really bad. It's even worse if you lump it in with the Tom Kurvers trade.

Would be excellent if you lump it in with the Hyman trade.

Kind of focusing on how it relates to this deadline and the upcoming pipeline, not random trades from different eras.

 

[ktownhockey]

It sucks losing Sandin, but he clearly wants to be a "guy" somewhere and we weren't going to be able to pay him when the time comes. He isn't exceptionally mobile, he makes pretty good reads and would be a solid PP1 option for us BUT I am fine with the trade. Obviously, Washington a team who isn't trying to win this year and Carlsson being out has been the perfect storm for the start of his career in Washington. When JC comes back it will be interesting to see how he does without being the PP1 guy. Wish the best for him!

 

[BigBlu]

Another Anton Stralman trade?

Without any hindsight , I literally hated the A-Stral trade AT THE TIME. No one agred with me.

Admittedly, I was more of a Stralman booster than Sandin,,,, but this seems to have the same odour.

 

[makbeer]

Stralman and Sandin very similar players in many ways too.

 

[TMLAM34]

Last nights Leafs game reminded me why replacing Sandin with McCabe was definitely the right move right now. Watching McCabe finish off the game really strong and saving a goal, you weren’t going to see Sandin playing in the dying moments of a tight game against the Devils ever here.

Replacing Gio with Sandin, now that would be a different conversation but we all know Gio isn’t sitting out even if he needs it.

 

[Drytoast]

Ffs.

Sandin in Toronto showed you what his strengths and weaknesses are based on how we play and who we have.

Sandin in Washington is going to look different.

Just as Kadri in Colorado looks way different to Kadri in Toronto or Calgary.

Heck you can even go line to line. Tavares paired with Marner looks way better then when paired with Kerfoot.

Relax about the damn Sandin trade. Kyle went for it. And tried to shore up our teams weaknesses. Which was that we do not have enough sand paper or strength in front of our net.

We do not use our defense to score goals incase you haven't watched the Leafs for the past 7 years. Defensemen are only bumpers to get the puck deeper to the forwards.

 

[francis246]

Rasmus is also playing 20-25 minutes a night in Washington. That was just never going to happen here in Toronto

 

[ULF_55]

The only thing that rubs me the wrong way with that situation is that he got a better opportunity than just about any 22 year old D will get other than Makar and MacAvoy, it’s not often you get a chance on the 1st PP in the playoffs with 4 all stars on your line. He didn’t run with the opportunity, that’s on him.

I’d understand Liljegren acting like Sandin about the contract situation a lot more, he’s put in much more work into his game with less opportunity and it shows.

Sandin never got an opportunity in the playoffs as a 22 year old.
He got 5 games during the MIA marner and Matthews 2020-2021 playoffs as a 21 year old.
He wasn't great, but he wasn't getting paid 10 or 11 million like some other no-shows.

Again, I think he wanted out. He's smart enough to know the way the game is played on and off the ice.
Keefe wasn't going to take care of his career was he?

 

[Drytoast]

Rasmus is also playing 20-25 minutes a night in Washington. That was just never going to happen here in Toronto

Rasmus would need to take Rielly's spot here. And I don't realistically see that happening since we pay Rielly the most. Rielly is a foundation team leader. No shot Sandin takes that spot at this point in time.

 

[ULF_55]

Last nights Leafs game reminded me why replacing Sandin with McCabe was definitely the right move right now. Watching McCabe finish off the game really strong and saving a goal, you weren’t going to see Sandin playing in the dying moments of a tight game against the Devils ever here.

Replacing Gio with Sandin, now that would be a different conversation but we all know Gio isn’t sitting out even if he needs it.

Well, not exactly.

When the Leafs were down defensemen Sandin and Liljegren had some memorable minutes together.

But certainly, 29 year old McCabe is a veteran defender, not a 22, just turned 23 yesterday, defender.
McCabe has played 487 NHL games, Sandin 147. McCabe zero (0) playoff games.

 

[TMLAM34]

Well, not exactly.

When the Leafs were down defensemen Sandin and Liljegren had some memorable minutes together.

But certainly, 29 year old McCabe is a veteran defender, not a 22, just turned 23 yesterday, defender.
McCabe has played 487 NHL games, Sandin 147. McCabe zero (0) playoff games.

I’ve been mentioning McCabe’s name around here for a long time, I’m a big fan of his game and think he’s a perfect defenceman for our team and our needs.

Sandin still has plenty of room to develop for sure, but I mentioned replacing him with McCabe is the right more RIGHT NOW if we’re going all in.

I can’t speak for you but I know I’m a lot more confident having McCabe out on the ice in the dying moments in big games against teams like Boston, New Jersey, Rangers, Tampa, etc than Sandin. Seems like management does as well.

Personally I would have liked to keep Sandin to replace Gio in the lineup next year as I think Gio’s game keeps sliding. But it is what it is, it’s pretty easy replacing a third pairing LD.

 

[DarkKnight]

Why do we mention McCabe (who I really like btw), the trade was for the most sheltered D man in the NHL, not McCabe and a first rounder? Is it the only way to justify the trade? So Sandin sits this playoffs, guess who else is, Gus. This wasn’t a hockey trade, he wanted out, as a pure trade, it’s terrible. Talking about McCabe, it’s irrelevant, there was no forced hand her hockey wise, a young D man spots in as depth, omg the horror.

 

[ULF_55]

I’ve been mentioning McCabe’s name around here for a long time, I’m a big fan of his game and think he’s a perfect defenceman for our team and our needs.

Sandin still has plenty of room to develop for sure, but I mentioned replacing him with McCabe is the right more RIGHT NOW if we’re going all in.

I can’t speak for you but I know I’m a lot more confident having McCabe out on the ice in the dying moments in big games against teams like Boston, New Jersey, Rangers, Tampa, etc than Sandin. Seems like management does as well.

Personally I would have liked to keep Sandin to replace Gio in the lineup next year as I think Gio’s game keeps sliding. But it is what it is, it’s pretty easy replacing a third pairing LD.

Completely agree.

Sandin is a developing player.

My hope was he'd slide into the Giordano vacancy. He isn't going to play forever, and I believe he is the oldest skater in the NHL?

Is not to be, and the Bruins pick will determine how it plays out long term.

I did think an all-in should have seen the 1st. used to get a better forward.

The Sandin transaction was either as requested by Sandin or Dubas getting some cold feet at the last minute.

 

[The Podium]

You don’t trade a young productive D at the deadline without any real need to make that move unless the player wanted out.

I said at the time of the trade, I understand why I just don’t like it.

 

[Buds17]

I view this trade as a mutual parting of the ways. The Leafs kept adding to that left side D (Giordano acquisition and extension, McCabe trade with term retention) and I'm assuming the former made Sandin's contract negotiation tough, while the latter ultimately necessitated his trade to Washington.

 

[LeafSteel]

Again, I like the 1st round pick and the options it gives to draft or add in a more significant trade but I think this move was premature.

I'm not worrying about Gio's play declining so much, as I do think Brodie shifting back to LHD makes sense. I think the key to all of this is Dubas (or whoever the GM is) finally addressing and settling a RHD partner that fits at 1 RHD.

Rielly-???RHD
McCabe-Liljegren/Brodie
Gio/Brodie-Timmins/Brodie

I can live with this, but unless the GM finally addresses the 1RHD position, having Sandin as at minimum 3LHD should have remained an option. We still had him signed for another year and could have made a decision later, or used him as trade capital.

We will see what happens.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

How do we know that exactly? Will the player the Leafs draft with this pick be as good as Sandin? Nobody knows.

2023 draft is getting overrated because of who's at the top. Once it gets to pick 5, there's a massive drop off.

Getting a 1st was nice, but what that turns into is a complete unknown.

I'd have preferred they shipped out Gus for picks as well. But that's beside the point.

A few of my of my hockey buddies work in da O as scouts and they tell me this is a strong draft class .. i don't fret about rest of world as it does not move da needle for playoff hockey

 

[Isaac Nootin]

A few of my of my hockey buddies work in da O as scouts and they tell me this is a strong draft class .. i don't fret about rest of world as it does not move da needle for playoff hockey

Not that I don't believe you, as you appear to have local connections, but that's certainly not the consensus. This OHL draft class is looked at as one of the weaker ones in recent memory.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Not that I don't believe you, as you appear to have local connections, but that's certainly not the consensus. This OHL draft class is looked at as one of the weaker ones in recent memory.

That was last years thinking yes .. i heard it too .. but there are some kids post COVID who have really developed and can fly who will be available at C who can develop (that is what we need to get)

 

[Its not your fault]

Another Anton Stralman trade?

Without any hindsight , I literally hated the A-Stral trade AT THE TIME. No one agred with me.

Admittedly, I was more of a Stralman booster than Sandin,,,, but this seems to have the same odour.

At least admit we got better value this time.

 

[mapleleaf979]

Give Sandin 40 games in Washington, not 2 and see how he handles all different styles of play. An up and down game is right up his alley. His size will inevitably will put him at a disadvantage down low to win puck battles with either lack of strength or lack of reach, clearing the net front, defending the forecheck. He also lacks an explosive first few strides, which puts him in trouble in different situations like a random turnover, getting to a loose puck during the cycle, etc. After 40 games it will be interesting to see what Washington feels about him.