Prospect Info: Ryan Johnson, D, 2019 #31 overall: Signed, Rochester (AHL), Recalled 12/5/24

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Hell of a pick for 31st overall. Think his offense was severely underrated at the draft and he could easily go earlier in a redraft

Well it's also about development and the natural curve on adding more increased trust with more time within a system. As is with any collegiate athlete. Unless you're a top tier recruit, you gradually increase your minutes of deployment, and the more pressure situations the more success shown. This is a must sign for me.
 
But more to your point, if he goes diva on us and refuses to sign an ELC (damaging his earning potential) it would indicate that he should be moved before his draft rights expire. It just sounds so unlikely to me.

I wouldn't call it "diva" because he can do what he wants. But I throw a contract right at him as soon as college season ends. If he won't sign because we are trying to save nickels, that's one thing. If it's a pretty standard rookie deal and he won't sign, move his rights. It's that simple. He signs or we trade the rights. We don't wait until after another college year
 
I wouldn't call it "diva" because he can do what he wants. But I throw a contract right at him as soon as college season ends. If he won't sign because we are trying to save nickels, that's one thing. If it's a pretty standard rookie deal and he won't sign, move his rights. It's that simple. He signs or we trade the rights. We don't wait until after another college year

Um, no. We don't trade his rights unless someone is going to give us a 1st round pick. Remember: if a 1st round pick refuses to sign for us out of the NCAA, we get that 1st rounder back in a future draft. Soooooo given how he's not likely to fetch a 1st in return, we sit on him.
 
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Um, no. We don't trade his rights unless someone is going to give us a 1st round pick. Remember: if a 1st round pick refuses to sign for us out of the NCAA, we get that 1st rounder back in a future draft. Soooooo given how he's not likely to fetch a 1st in return, we sit on him.
I thought the rule was that the team got a compensatory pick in the second round in the order in which the player had been picked. Not an expert but more than happy to be disabused of my notion!
 
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Um, no. We don't trade his rights unless someone is going to give us a 1st round pick. Remember: if a 1st round pick refuses to sign for us out of the NCAA, we get that 1st rounder back in a future draft. Soooooo given how he's not likely to fetch a 1st in return, we sit on him.

The compensation is in the 2nd round, 32 picks after the draft position of the player in question. That would make it pick 63.
 
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True. Kevin Hayes compensation was the 54th pick, the 24th pick in the 2nd round.
 
Um, no. We don't trade his rights unless someone is going to give us a 1st round pick. Remember: if a 1st round pick refuses to sign for us out of the NCAA, we get that 1st rounder back in a future draft. Soooooo given how he's not likely to fetch a 1st in return, we sit on him.
I did not know that we get the pick back. Has that ever happened before?

Someone should be willing to part with a pick better than #63.
 
I did not know that we get the pick back. Has that ever happened before?

It's a pick, but not that same numeric pick in the draft. It's the same numeric pick in the 2nd round so in this case, that would be pick #31 of the 2nd round (63rd overall) as compensation. The highest one recently was when the Coyotes didn't sign Conner Bleackley in 2016 so they got the 23rd selection of the 2nd round in 2016 as compensation (and then dealt it in the Datsyuk cap deal). Bleackley had originally been picked by Colorado and was sent to Arizona as part of the Boedker trade (basically a 2nd round pick).
 
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It's a pick, but not that same numeric pick in the draft. It's the same numeric pick in the 2nd round so in this case, that would be pick #31 of the 2nd round (63rd overall) as compensation. The highest one recently was when the Coyotes didn't sign Conner Bleackley in 2016 so they got the 23rd selection of the 2nd round in 2016 as compensation (and then dealt it in the Datsyuk cap deal). Bleackley had originally been picked by Colorado and was sent to Arizona as part of the Boedker trade (basically a 2nd round pick).

So basically, get more value than this while you can. If he won't sign.
 
There is no indication he is not going to sign.

This is one of those areas where KA has way more information than fans do.

The Sabres FO is talking to Johnson and his family advisor and they know how open Johnson is to signing with the Sabres or not.

If he gets moved in a deal over the next 6 months or so, then I am going to assume that Johnson was uninterested in signing with Buffalo, likely due to all the young LHD in the system.

Kind of like the reports that Levi wanted to play college hockey long enough to be a FA prior to the trade with Bob & Knight ahead of him in Florida.
 
This is one of those areas where KA has way more information than fans do.

The Sabres FO is talking to Johnson and his family advisor and they know how open Johnson is to signing with the Sabres or not.

If he gets moved in a deal over the next 6 months or so, then I am going to assume that Johnson was uninterested in signing with Buffalo, likely due to all the young LHD in the system.

Kind of like the reports that Levi wanted to play college hockey long enough to be a FA prior to the trade with Bob & Knight ahead of him in Florida.

Without a doubt, he has more information than we do but if doesn't have a contract this year and Ryan Johnson goes back to college for one more year the flight risk obviously rises. I think that is basically what speculation is around. Of course, you are right we don't know. But if you are telling me that it makes no difference (not saying you are) that his going back to college doesn't bode well, then I have to disagree. I don't care about positive conversations.

Levi is another discussion, along with Portillo. I thought both guys had significantly more time to college free agency.

Ultimately, the risk-reward is getting money and protection versus choice. The gap closes as you get closer to free agency. The risk becomes smaller for the player and bigger for the team.
 
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Wheeler has Ryan Johnson as the 7th best prospect in his annual rankings of NHL Prospect Pools (Sabres are #1)

Wheeler’s 2022 NHL prospect pool rankings: No. 1 Buffalo Sabres – The Athletic

7. Ryan Johnson, LHD, 20 (University of Minnesota)
Johnson just continues to progress nicely along a steady incline (without necessarily taking off up a steep one). He has become one of the top play-driving defencemen in college hockey, with excellent on-ice results and the underlying five-on-five numbers to reflect that. Johnson’s biggest asset is his four-way skating and footwork. He can dictate play with his feet, whether that’s side-stepping pressure through the neutral zone, spinning off of it in an escape under pressure in his own zone, or walking the line in the offensive zone. He adjusts in and out of space effectively and does a great job opening up lanes to pass into (though he’s not much of a shot threat and his comfort with the puck doesn’t include a particularly aggressive style per se). There are actually times where I’d like him to use his feet more often in those ways, instead of just pivoting into an outlet pass when he sees one. There’s room in his game for him to take control a little more. Defensively he gaps the rush effectively and defends within his own zone with smart reads and routes. He’s not likely going to be a big special-teams guy in the NHL, which could limit his upside, but I like him as a possession-driving No. 4-5 who drives results at both ends even-strength. He has also played both sides in college, which gives him some flexibility.
 
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Without a doubt, he has more information than we do but if doesn't have a contract this year and Ryan Johnson goes back to college for one more year the flight risk obviously rises. I think that is basically what speculation is around. Of course, you are right we don't know. But if you are telling me that it makes no difference (not saying you are) that his going back to college doesn't bode well, then I have to disagree. I don't care about positive conversations.

I absolutely agree that the longer we go after Minnesota's season concludes without a Johnson contract, the more the odds of his leaving as a UFA rise.

I think the positive conversations thing are just people trying to read the tea leaves about the odds that he signs after this season.

Levi is another discussion, along with Portillo. I thought both guys had significantly more time to college free agency.

Ultimately, the risk-reward is getting money and protection versus choice. The gap closes as you get closer to free agency. The risk becomes smaller for the player and bigger for the team.

Levi & Portillo do have more time.

I was referencing the reports prior to the trade that Levi was planning to play at Northeastern long enough to become a UFA. It was one of the reasons that people used to poo poo the return on the Reinhart trade.

I just believe that Levi likely is way more interested in signing here with no NHL vet goalie signed to a long term deal and no former 1st round pick phenom ahead of him on the depth chart.

The Sabres give Levi & Portillo a spot that will allow them to compete for a job. That is the best potential situation you can offer to most goalies coming out of college outside of maybe the goalie coaching staff, the competitiveness of the team, and geographic considerations.
 
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It's interesting that he mentions him playing both sides. Has anyone watched much of him this season to know how accurate that is? It might bode well for his ability to crack the roster if he can effectively play both the left and the right side.

I noticed that too and definitely perked up at that mention. Johnson playing well on the right really could change things for our defense going forward.
 
It's interesting that he mentions him playing both sides. Has anyone watched much of him this season to know how accurate that is? It might bode well for his ability to crack the roster if he can effectively play both the left and the right side.
He played his right side almost exclusively his freshman year and a bit last season. This year he's been predominantly on the left as he's much better on his strong side
 
He played his right side almost exclusively his freshman year and a bit last season. This year he's been predominantly on the left as he's much better on his strong side

Agreed. He looks much more comfortable on the left, often with Faber on the right. His freshman year was often working in as the 6/7 initially, mainly due to his age (he had skipped a USHL season to go to university a year sooner).

Just sign him and lets see what they have. If he forces his way into the lineup, great.
 
Watched him again last night and another solid game. He had an assist on the first goal to go along with his usual strong 2-way game. Also, Minny finally beat PSU in Happy Valley. It's been an age.
 
Question: A team has 3 LHD spots on it's roster. On our 22/23 roster we will have 2 of the last #1OA picks who are LHD. If you were him why on Earth would you sign with us instead of go back to school for a year and be able to sign anywhere your heart desires? Seriously unless he views himself as a bottom pairing guy for life what future would he have in this organization?
 
Question: A team has 3 LHD spots on it's roster. On our 22/23 roster we will have 2 of the last #1OA picks who are LHD. If you were him why on Earth would you sign with us instead of go back to school for a year and be able to sign anywhere your heart desires? Seriously unless he views himself as a bottom pairing guy for life what future would he have in this organization?

There is risks of not signing. He could have a bad year next year or a career threatening injury. We’ve seen that happen with guys like Possler.

How much difference in contract would he command by waiting a year vs not. Then compare that to the risks of injury or having a poor year.

He may want to start developing his game for the next level. If the Sabres were to sign him I’m sure he would ask what’s the plan for him. If he likes the plan, he would be more willing to sign.
 

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