RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[ViD]

Agreed, but Bedard is undoubtedly in another tier

Based on what exactly ? His rookie season was decent but nothing to write songs about. Absolutely atrocious defensively and numbers are not even close to McDavid/Crosby/Ovechkin rookie years. He’s not on another level and never been, they were toe to toe during their junior years while Russia was in competitions.

 

[Sasso09]

How many times out of 10 should a player with an above average shot score with this much net in the clip I just posted?


Agreed, but Bedard is undoubtedly in another tier

Definitely not

Michkov compared favorably to Bedard at every age group, including now. They're the same tier

is he better than Bedard ?

Even

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

Based on what exactly ? His rookie season was decent but nothing to write songs about. Absolutely atrocious defensively and numbers are not even close to McDavid/Crosby/Ovechkin rookie years. He’s not on another level and never been, they were toe to toe during their junior years while Russia was in competitions.

Definitely not

Michkov compared favorably to Bedard at every age group, including now. They're the same tier

IQ: Michkov slight winner
Playmaking: Michkov slight winner
Skating: Bedard clear winner
Shooting: Bedard enormous winner
Individual efforts with puck: Bedard clear winner

 

[ViD]

IQ: Michkov slight winner
Playmaking: Michkov slight winner
Skating: Bedard clear winner
Shooting: Bedard enormous winner
Individual efforts with puck: Bedard clear winner

So, even by your assessment, it’s 3-2 Bedard which doesn’t really sound like he’s on another level, more like “same tier or slightly better”

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

So, even by your assessment, it’s 3-2 Bedard which doesn’t really sound like he’s on another level, more like “same tier or slightly better”

Bedard is a clear to enormous winner in 3 categories and Michkov is just a slight winner in 2

If I rated all of those categories 1-10, Bedard's average rating would be significantly higher

 

[WarriorofTime]

Looking forward to seeing this guy in some real games soon and all the this and that to be replaced by more concrete stuff. I get the feeling a lot of teams are going to regret passing him up. Montreal in particular as I think he would be have been enthusiastic to play there.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

is he better than Bedard ?

He might be, but it’s early to say who will have the better career too definitively.

 

[Kshahdoo]

How many times out of 10 should a player with an above average shot score with this much net in the clip I just posted?

He scored tons of goals in such situations before. Players can be a little bit nervous, especially when playing first time in front of their public in a new league. When the regular time comes he'll do it better. And he still scored his first goal for actual Flyers vs NHL competition, the next one will go easier.

 

[MrGuyPerson]

Bedard is a clear to enormous winner in 3 categories and Michkov is just a slight winner in 2

If I rated all of those categories 1-10, Bedard's average rating would be significantly higher

Michkov's IQ is clearly better. So you can adjust the "slightly". Bedard is a clear winner in skill categories, but no he doesn't see the ice the same. I also have no idea what "individual efforts with puck" means. Straight hands? In that case yeah Bedard wins, but not by a land slide. If it is puck control and ability to play through contact Michkov wins by landslide. Overall I agree that Bedard is likely better currently, but I disagree with your assessment. Definitely comparable and the difference in their playstyles is fascinating.

If matvei played center I would call his style of play similar to Crosby. I currently would say Bedard plays more like McDavid/Ovechkin.

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

Michkov's IQ is clearly better. So you can adjust the "slightly". Bedard is a clear winner in skill categories, but no he doesn't see the ice the same

Idk, Bedard's IQ is pretty special too

 

[Fantomas]

is he better than Bedard ?

On hockey sense alone I think he has the potential to be better. Bedard is the sniper. Michkov is the brain.

 

[Kshahdoo]

It can be fun to discuss player vs player and make hot-takes when the players play in different leagues. But when they gonna start the season in the same league in a week... I personally think it's better to wait a bit and see what they look like playing against the same competition...

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

How many times out of 10 should a player with an above average shot score with this much net in the clip I just posted?


Agreed, but Bedard is undoubtedly in another tier

I think we’ll see in the next few years where they both stand.

 

[SaSaShi]

Michkov's IQ is clearly better. So you can adjust the "slightly". Bedard is a clear winner in skill categories, but no he doesn't see the ice the same. I also have no idea what "individual efforts with puck" means. Straight hands? In that case yeah Bedard wins, but not by a land slide. If it is puck control and ability to play through contact Michkov wins by landslide. Overall I agree that Bedard is likely better currently, but I disagree with your assessment. Definitely comparable and the difference in their playstyles is fascinating.

If matvei played center I would call his style of play similar to Crosby. I currently would say Bedard plays more like McDavid/Ovechkin

Idk, Bedard's IQ is pretty special too

Yes but it's not on the same level as Michkov and will never be. Same with passing, I am blown away by Michkov's passing and is currently already the best in philly, which to be frank, is not saying much, but it is special.

I know it's preseason, but it is very clear those are Michkov's strengths.

Bedard will always jump out more in live viewings, the skating, the violent shooting, the dangles and could very well be the overall better player. But they are not far apart as a talent. There is a reason ehy scouts dubbed them 1A-1B.

It's kucherov vs mackinnon part 2.