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RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

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Guess said:
I feel like there is a lot of copium here from fans of teams who passed on Michkov to justify their selections. No doubt about it, he's going be an incredible player, he seems to take himself very seriously.
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Precisely this. We all know that Michkov was the best player after Bedard, and was ideally suited to several teams whose competitive window would just be opening up when he made the journey to North America, keeping him on a cost-controlled contract for three years of competitive viability.

They merely do not wish to admit to their own teams' folly for reasons that I'll not discuss, but that have nothing to do with hockey itself.
 
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Guess said:
I feel like there is a lot of copium here from fans of teams who passed on Michkov to justify their selections. No doubt about it, he's going be an incredible player, he seems to take himself very seriously.. But team chemistry is also important, if he's going to negatively affect the performance of some other players, that's not trivial.

Interesting that he refused to meet Anaheim for an interview, and also shunned Arizona and Washington. Anyways, wishing Flyers fans the best 🙏
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Mostly fans from 1 team. Other teams who picked 2-3-4-6 get little fan action especially in July.
 
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Michkov said he wanted to play in a big hockey market which is why he openly said he was hoping the flyers would take him. It’s no wonder teams like CLB, SJS, ANA might have been rubbed wrong by a guy who, understandably, wants to play in a market where the team is more important to the local fans.
 
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Isn`t as pro? He has record\near record season in second best pro league for player of his age. You have 3-4 years of steady calm life. Than you will regret about everything you said. And you said a lot. Like flyers, you should invest a lot in this years. But like Boston it`s the end of your prime. Use it wisely.
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& again the record was previously held by Tarasenko, while a great player in his prime never at Rantanen/Marner/Pasta etc level.

How many legit franchise prospects has KHL had on draft day before Michkov?
The answer is zero but of course you’d ignore that.

& there’s nothing else to hockey than blind stat watching?

Carlssons overall impact on game was bigger and he can controll the game more. He played against tougher competition in SHL playoffs and did better than Michkov and he was the 1C for Swedens mens national team.

So again tell me exactly how is Michkov a better pro today? Not in their primes but today.

Unless you think Michkov would have been on Russians top line at the WC you have no case.
Carlssons overall game/defensive game are superior to Michkovs today
 
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Isn't a pro player?:laugh: It's Fantilli who has yet to prove himself on any sustained professional level.
Michkov has been excelling at a tier of hockey that blows Fantilli's college competition out of the water.
And it's not like Fantilli was overly impressive at the World Championships either with his 3 points.
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Michkov wouldn’t have even made the Russians WC roster.
He’s not ready yet and should stay in the KHL for 2 years atleast.

He put up points but there’s lot of work to do in his game to be NHL ready, Fantilli on the other hand is. He’s so much ahead defensively, in his skating and physicality/strenght

Fantilli put up Eichel like numbers with better goal scoring
Other recent top picks with ncaa routes.

Keller in his +1 season put up 45 points in 31 games
Zegras put up 36 points in 33 games in his + 1 season
Cooley was seen as the best drafted prospect and put up 60 points in 39 games in his +1 season
Recent rookie of the year put up 24 points in 24 games and in his +1 season 43 points in 37 games
B.Tkachuk put up 31 points in 40 games in his draft season
Kent Johnson put up 27 points in 26 games in his draft season, 37 points in 32 games in his +1 season.

To remind Fantilli scored 65 points in 36 games in his draft season, I wonder if he has any hope to make it. We have no recent data to compare
 
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Michkov wouldn’t have even made the Russians WC roster.
He’s not ready yet and should stay in the KHL for 2 years atleast.

He put up points but there’s lot of work to do in his game to be NHL ready, Fantilli on the other hand is. He’s so much ahead defensively, in his skating and physicality/strenght

Fantilli put up Eichel like numbers with better goal scoring
Other recent top picks with ncaa routes.

Keller in his +1 season put up 45 points in 31 games
Zegras put up 36 points in 33 games in his + 1 season
Cooley was seen as the best drafted prospect and put up 60 points in 39 games in his +1 season
Recent rookie of the year put up 24 points in 24 games and in his +1 season 43 points in 37 games
B.Tkachuk put up 31 points in 40 games in his draft season
Kent Johnson put up 27 points in 26 games in his draft season, 37 points in 32 games in his +1 season.

To remind Fantilli scored 65 points in 36 games in his draft season, I wonder if he has any hope to make it. We have no recent data to compare
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Michkov was definitely not on WC level but with Rotenberg, everything is possible, he could have played on a line with hf users Ed Jovanovski and Pavel Buchnevich
 
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Snotbubbles said:
Is that some scientific formula you have or are you just making assumptions?
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Is there some scientific formula for why Tanner Moledyk has a lot lower chances of becoming a #1 defenseman than Connor Bedard scoring a lot of points, or are you just making assumptions?
 
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& again the record was previously held by Tarasenko, while a great player in his prime never at Rantanen/Marner/Pasta etc level.

How many legit franchise prospects has KHL had on draft day before Michkov?
The answer is zero but of course you’d ignore that.

& there’s nothing else to hockey than blind stat watching?

Carlssons overall impact on game was bigger and he can controll the game more. He played against tougher competition in SHL playoffs and did better than Michkov and he was the 1C for Swedens mens national team.

So again tell me exactly how is Michkov a better pro today? Not in their primes but today.

Unless you think Michkov would have been on Russians top line at the WC you have no case.
Carlssons overall game/defensive game are superior to Michkovs today
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Michkov wasn’t allowed to showcase himself at a WC so it shouldn’t even be a point of conversation, compare them at the same tournaments they WERE together at and see what it shows.

Oh wait Carlsson didn’t even make the U18 team that Michkov was last allowed to play at, where he led the tournament in scoring
 

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Hanji said:
Isn't a pro player?:laugh: It's Fantilli who has yet to prove himself on any sustained professional level.
Michkov has been excelling at a tier of hockey that blows Fantilli's college competition out of the water.
And it's not like Fantilli was overly impressive at the World Championships either with his 3 points.
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He said as a pro player not that he is not a pro player

Also, how did he excel? By not making SKA roster?
 
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Snotbubbles said:
Is that some scientific formula you have or are you just making assumptions?
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I won't dig up the forum to show you the graphs, but yeah, projection models have consistently shown that Michkov has much higher chances of becoming a star. Why are you even hyping Reinbacher as a #1 defenseman? He hasn't shown particurlarly outstanding offensive production, and eye test proves that expecting him not to become a defense-first player is overly ambitious.

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& again the record was previously held by Tarasenko, while a great player in his prime never at Rantanen/Marner/Pasta etc level.
How many legit franchise prospects has KHL had on draft day before Michkov?
The answer is zero but of course you’d ignore that.
& there’s nothing else to hockey than blind stat watching?
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If you want franchise players, Michkov's draft season is better than both Ovechkin and Malkin had, and you'd need to go to Bure to find any that could be argued even greater.
We also have other great players (not just top 3 picks) who became stars and whose draft year accomplishments are dwarved by Michkov. Kuznetsov, Kucherov, Kaprizov, Panarin - none of them were fit to lace Michkov's skates at 18!
 

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FlyguyOX said:
Michkov wasn’t allowed to showcase himself at a WC so it shouldn’t even be a point of conversation, compare them at the same tournaments they WERE together at and see what it shows.

Oh wait Carlsson didn’t even make the U18 team that Michkov was last allowed to play at, where he led the tournament in scoring
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Ok, you have proven that Michkov was definitely a more impressive prospect 2 years ago. Congratulation))

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Bedard scored 13 points on 2 terrible teams at WJC, still counts as a record. And why didn't Zavgorodny, who had 67 points in 40 games CHL season a few years ago, score all those points?

And which of his 5 points were scored because of goalie?

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How your whataboutism denies the point that Michkovs record is meaningless idol for NA stat watchers?

Did anyone claim that Bedard only scored at best goalies or smth?
 

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Pavel Buchnevich said:
I also think the import argument is weak. There are still some imports. It’s not like they lost McDavid and MacKinnon. They lost some players that most people never heard of and players that couldn’t make it in the NHL.

Even with imports, the KHL has always been about the quality of Russia’s non-NHL players. It’s still the strongest league outside of the NHL with the imports or without, so maybe you are right that it’s slightly weaker, but it’s a negligible amount. You could come up with the same arguments for the NHL. The NHL’s flat cap makes it so many good depth players get squeezed out of contracts and go to play in Europe. Is what McDavid has accomplished less impressive because of that? Because that’s not too far from what the argument you’re making about Michkov amounts to.


You can think your speculation is right all you want, but be clear that it’s speculation, not a fact.
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Import argument is absolutely legit. With imports KHL was 2nd best league in the World, without them absolutely not
For last 5 years TOP 100 scorers were majorly imports.
I mean, if the league was smaller that would be one case, but in current environment, what is KHL advantage over SHL?
 

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olgerd said:
Are you a racist? I don't understand why you are focusing on the nationality of the Kunlun goaltender. If he is the goaltender of the KHL club, then he has a certain level of skill.
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Bs, but your bias makes you say that.
He is a chinese born and trained goalie playing for chinese team. He is not even close to a top euro league goalie
 
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