RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[olgerd]

The first five teams seem unintersted and Arizona is the team Michkov will steer himself clear of. Doubt the Caps will draft him after Nikolishin comments. Falling out of the top 10 is more than possible then.

Nikolishin's comment is part of the plan. The kid goes to Washington.

 

[majormajor]

I think we'll see it when he comes to the draft...

All the stuff about him being rude to teammates, etc... has been out there since the Fall. But what's interesting is that publicly Michkov's camp has done absolutely nothing to try and persuade teams that he has good character.

 

[Kshahdoo]

All the stuff about him being rude to teammates, etc... has been out there since the Fall. But what's interesting is that publicly Michkov's camp has done absolutely nothing to try and persuade teams that he has good character.

He probably doesn't care what team will pick him and when. Actually the best approach to drafts...

 

[Fantomas]

He probably doesn't care what team will pick him and when. Actually the best approach to drafts...

No f*cks given. My king.



Someone's gonna take Ryan "Callahan" Leonard over Michkov. I'm prepared for it and I will laugh my ass off.

 

[Garl]

So, Michkovs fanboys are in the "embrace the fail" mode now?

 

[Garl]

However, at this point it is obvious that he has fallen out of TOP 3, and there is not much difference between number 4 and 8 for example, so maybe pulling off a "Jagr" to avoid Arizona or maybe Montreal is not a bad idea

 

[Acallabeth]

So, Michkovs fanboys are in the "embrace the fail" mode now?

Michkov's draft position doesn't bother us in the slightest, in fact, I will be on cloud nine if he somehow ends up in Washington. We are just all having a laugh at the mass freakout from the GMs who may make a blunder for the ages, because they don't have balls to draft a better player over a "safe' player.

 

[Garl]

Michkov's draft position doesn't bother us in the slightest, in fact, I will be on cloud nine if he somehow ends up in Washington. We are just all having a laugh at the mass freakout from the GMs who may make a blunder for the ages, because they don't have balls to draft a better player over a "safe' player.

Haha, it is not true, I mean, maybe it is true for you now, since there is a real chance he ends up in WAS and you hope for another 20 years of a russian superstar there, but Michkovs fanboys did care a lot that he will be 1st overall, then, that he is 2nd, now that he is 4th at best it suddenly doesn't matter))
I mean, why were we all reading attacks on Bedard and then later Carlsson and Fantilli from russian posters?

If Demidov is as good as some people say we will see attacks on Eiserman, Celebrini and Kiviharju fot the same reason

 

[Guadana]

Post of “attacks” on different players from the draft will never cover sum of post of attacs on Michkov.
Post like this is a pure provocation. It’s not a context discourse.

 

[ItWasJustified]

We are just all having a laugh at the mass freakout from the GMs who may make a blunder for the ages, because they don't have balls to draft a better player over a "safe' player.

This. In the history of the NHL draft, how many 1st rounders have been enough locker room cancer to not draft them? Not many I would bet. Just the fact that it might be hard to have a meeting with a player shouldn't overshadow on-ice talent if you want to build a winning team.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Haha, it is not true, I mean, maybe it is true for you now, since there is a real chance he ends up in WAS and you hope for another 20 years of a russian superstar there, but Michkovs fanboys did care a lot that he will be 1st overall, then, that he is 2nd, now that he is 4th at best it suddenly doesn't matter))
I mean, why were we all reading attacks on Bedard and then later Carlsson and Fantilli from russian posters?

If Demidov is as good as some people say we will see attacks on Eiserman, Celebrini and Kiviharju fot the same reason

Lol, check Carlsson thread and then check this thread and see who attack who...

And why should we care about where Michkov will be picked? Will it magically make him better if he's picked 2nd? Not at all, actually the later he'll be picked the better because we will always have a good reason to laugh at people like you...

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Kid is smart, who the heck ACTUALLY wants to join a bad team.

One can say all kinds of shit front of the cameras, media, after being drafted by a team like (insert a team that sucks.
- such as; its a great organization, great city, looking forward to play with X and X

He wants to be drafted by a play-offs team, which is smart.
He doesn't want to play his prime years for a bottom feeder/loser culture team.

I assume this is the case.

 

[Garl]

Lol, check Carlsson thread and then check this thread and see who attack who...

And why should we care about where Michkov will be picked? Will it magically make him better if he's picked 2nd? Not at all, actually the later he'll be picked the better because we will always have a good reason to laugh at people like you...

By attacks you mean my opinion that his season was not that good and the "historical" part is just baseless hype? That's not an attack. Attacks were claims that Carlsson somehow had bad WJC, or that SHL is a lesser league that KHL so his elite numbers there don't mean much etc

I would probably take him #4 or #5 JFYI. He is a prodigy, but he is a unique case, if he had Kovalchuk's body, he would have been #2

Regarding attacks, come on, Michkov is the love of this forum, he is still #2 for many people despite his dissapointing season, there are just several people critical of him.

 

[Fjordy]

By attacks you mean my opinion that his season was not that good and the "historical" part is just baseless hype? That's not an attack. Attacks were claims that Carlsson somehow had bad WJC, or that SHL is a lesser league that KHL so his elite numbers there don't mean much etc

I would probably take him #4 or #5 JFYI. He is a prodigy, but he is a unique case, if he had Kovalchuk's body, he would have been #2

Regarding attacks, come on, Michkov is the love of this forum, he is still #2 for many people despite his dissapointing season, there are just several people critical of him.

Disappointing season? I mean, at the age of 17-18, in the worst team in the KHL, he scored 20 points in 27 games. It's not a disappointing season, come on.

 

[kp61c]

So, Michkovs fanboys are in the "embrace the fail" mode now?

they should just ignore the rumors of montreal trying to trade up, nikolishin's comments and michkov's reluctance to meet with scouts of certain teams? add to that his shortcomings as a player, nationality, and contract with ska it becomes clear that he will likely fall. only an idiot would ignore such possibility.

 

[Garl]

Disappointing season? I mean, at the age of 17-18, in the worst team in the KHL, he scored 20 points in 27 games. It's not a disappointing season, come on.

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1.He didn't make SKA and was sent down to Sochi
2. 5 pts were out of 20 were scored against chinese goalie in the last game of the season
3. 13 games for NT 1 goal and 4 points against Belarus is not impressive by any means

If it was not Michkov, but let's say Miroshnichenko last year, it would have been great season, but Michkov is a prodigy, allegedely best prospect since Ovechkin. By this standarts it is a dissapointing season, and yes, Fantilli and Carlsson had better seasons.

 

[Fjordy]

1.He didn't make SKA and was sent down to Sochi
2. 5 pts were out of 20 were scored against chinese goalie in the last game of the season
3. 13 games for NT 1 goal and 4 points against Belarus is not impressive by any means

If it was not Michkov, but let's say Miroshnichenko last year, it would have been great season, but Michkov is a prodigy, allegedely best prospect since Ovechkin. By this standarts it is a dissapointing season, and yes, Fantilli and Carlsson had better seasons.

1. SKA is not an indicator at all, there are 50 players on a contract and coach who is not coach.

2. Well, even in the NHL every season there are goalies who play like Chinese. This does not mean that these points do not count. Is it unlikely that the other prospects in the draft in every game against the great goaltenders in CHL, SHL and so on, do not count their points either?

3. Hello Craig Button

Well, I don't agree, Michkov had a very decent season and the KHL is just an indicator. In the worst team in the league (even worse than Chinese team), with almost no help, he showed excellent results for his age.

 

[Shroud of Orrin]

2. Well, even in the NHL every season there are goalies who play like Chinese. This does not mean that these points do not count. Is it unlikely that the other prospects in the draft in every game against the great goaltenders in CHL, SHL and so on, do not count their points either?

No; that’s not true, if I understand the demeaning inference. NHL goalies are professional. All this bullshit is ridiculous. It’s always the same. Riddles and innuendo and political…

 

[Fjordy]

No; that’s not true, if I understand the demeaning inference. NHL goalies are professional. All this bullshit is ridiculous. It’s always the same. Riddles and innuendo and political…

Of course I'm exaggerating, but I'm not sure that Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith and other similar prospects all games in season play against very strong goalies. On the contrary, I am sure that each of them had at least one game in the season where they scored a lot of points against a weak goalie.

 

[Garl]

1. SKA is not an indicator at all, there are 50 players on a contract and coach who is not coach.

2. Well, even in the NHL every season there are goalies who play like Chinese. This does not mean that these points do not count. Is it unlikely that the other prospects in the draft in every game against the great goaltenders in CHL, SHL and so on, do not count their points either?

3. Hello Craig Button

Well, I don't agree, Michkov had a very decent season and the KHL is just an indicator. In the worst team in the league (even worse than Chinese team), with almost no help, he showed excellent results for his age.

1.Ask yourself a question, if he was as good as Ovechkin or Kovalchuk or Malkin at the same age, would he have been sent to Sochi? There you go
2.Thats sophistry and not a very good one)) That particular game is where he scored 25% of his points playing against an amateur.
3. 13 games 1+3 4 pts is not a great statline however you look. Again, we are talking about a successor of Ovechkin here

 

[Garl]

Of course I'm exaggerating, but I'm not sure that Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith and other similar prospects all games in season play against very strong goalies. On the contrary, I am sure that each of them had at least one game in the season where they scored a lot of points against a weak goalie.

That's just sophistry, SHL goalies are much better than some guy from China, same with NCAA most likely , as for CHL the percentage is definitely not 25

 

[Fjordy]

1.Ask yourself a question, if he was as good as Ovechkin or Kovalchuk or Malkin at the same age, would he have been sent to Sochi? There you go
2.Thats sophistry and not a very good one)) That particular game is where he scored 25% of his points playing against an amateur.
3. 13 games 1+3 pts is not a great statline however you look. Again, we are talking about a successor of Ovechkin here

You have absolutely no idea how a club like SKA is managed and how decisions are made there, but I know. Michkov could just as easily have scored the same or even more in SKA if he had been given a top 6 role rather than three minutes per game. But then again, not always the best player will play there. Gusev is an example. And also scored points in other games.

I'm sure the rest of the top 10 prospects in this draft also scored against weak goaltenders in some games, that's not an indicator.

Not all from Ovechkin, Malkin and the rest of the top Russian players at that age didn't even show Michkov's results. Any scout with more or less understanding of hockey will tell you that Michkov has an elite talent and potential franchise player. He has a shot by Kovalchuk and hockey IQ Kucherov. Players like this don't grow on trees, they don't even appear in every draft.

That's just sophistry, SHL goalies are much better than some guy from China, same with NCAA most likely , as for CHL the percentage is definitely not 25

I do not agree, not all goalies are so good, there are games when the third goalie of the team plays against you. Stop glorifying SHL and NCAA and that there is a very good goalie on every team, this is nonsense.

 

[User9992]

I wonder how far Michkov can fall in Draft? Any chance he falls below 5?

Hawks can trade up to pick Michkov too?

 

[kp61c]

By attacks you mean my opinion that his season was not that good and the "historical" part is just baseless hype? That's not an attack. Attacks were claims that Carlsson somehow had bad WJC, or that SHL is a lesser league that KHL so his elite numbers there don't mean much etc

I would probably take him #4 or #5 JFYI. He is a prodigy, but he is a unique case, if he had Kovalchuk's body, he would have been #2

Regarding attacks, come on, Michkov is the love of this forum, he is still #2 for many people despite his dissapointing season, there are just several people critical of him.

Carlsson and Fantili had pedestrian to bad wjcs. Very stong Kappo Kakko vibes. Big bodies that dominate kids and can keep up with adults at young age but are never able to take the next step in their development. Not sure Michkov would have fared better, though, his stint in the mhl was brutal.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

I hear so many things about him (systematically negative) that I end up not believing anything anymore.