RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[Garbageyuk]

What Reality are you living in?


Michkov has had an excellent start

The reality where he’s a good young player, but clearly not generational. Take the time to comprehend what you’re reading before replying next time.

 

[River Meadow]

Imagine passing on this guy for Reinbacher and whoever the hell it was Arizona drafted.

 

[Sasso09]

Every time someone uses the term "generational", their computer should dump a bowl of piping hot gravy in their lap...

You should do this every time you state Michkov doesn't gave elite IQ

 

[Michael Farkas]

You should do this every time you state Michkov doesn't gave elite IQ

So...I have to dump the gravy...? Are you thinking out the logistics here, sir?

 

[majormajor]

+/- only means something when it's relative to the team. Flyers are a collective -14, Michkov was on the ice for 3 ENG already.

-6 on a -14 team is pretty good.

He's actually -9 at Even Strength.

The Flyers have been outscored 10 to 1 with Michkov on the ice at even strength, and they are outscored 16 to 7 with him on the bench.

That will get better, so not a reflection on my expectations for Michkov. I'm just correcting you to say that it is in fact horrible and not pretty good.

Wrong, he was on ice for 3 empty net goals

Yes two more ENG against from last night. The Flyers also scored a 6 on 5 goal so Michkov (and that same group of teammates) are -2 with an empty net.

 

[ViD]

Imagine passing on this guy for Reinbacher and whoever the hell it was Arizona drafted.

“Am I a joke to you ?”

 

[Sasso09]

The reality where he’s a good young player, but clearly not generational. Take the time to comprehend what you’re reading before replying next time.

You stated

"Reality has set in and you love to see it"

Reality;

Michkov is leading his team by a lot and is involved in 40% of all his teams goals, highest in the NHL for any player and is a PPG in his first 7 games in NA.

You're not living in Reality, those stating he's a generational player for sure have the ammo and high ground at this point.

Take the time to comprehend what you've said and better understand what you've said before you hit enter and embarrass yourself again

He's actually -9 at Even Strength.

The Flyers have been outscored 10 to 1 with Michkov on the ice at even strength, and they are outscored 16 to 7 with him on the bench.

That will get better, so not a reflection on my expectations for Michkov. I'm just correcting you to say that it is in fact horrible and not pretty good.



Yes two more ENG against from last night. The Flyers also scored a 6 on 5 goal so Michkov (and that same group of teammates) are -2 with an empty net.

Fair enough

So...I have to dump the gravy...? Are you thinking out the logistics here, sir?

Yes, I want you to self harm until you learn.

 

[majormajor]

Bedard DEFINITELY had better linemates last year.

The Flyers top players have gotten worse results to start the season than the Blackhawks did last year. Which is really saying something. But the individual players are MUCH better than what the Blackhawks had last year.

Michkov's top linemates by minutes are

Frost 42 minutes
Tippett 36
Couturier 31
Konecny 26

no one else above 11 minutes

Bedard's four top linemates were Philip Kurashev, Nick Foligno, Ryan Donato, and Lukas Reichel.

Only a deranged Michkov fanatic would take the latter four over the first four. They've played badly so far, yes, but they're much better players. There is a yawning chasm in quality there.

 

[Garbageyuk]

You stated

"Reality has set in and you love to see it"

Reality;

Michkov is leading his team by a lot and is involved in 40% of all his teams goals, highest in the NHL for any player and is a PPG in his first 7 games in NA.

You're not living in Reality, those stating he's a generational player for sure have the ammo and high ground at this point.

Take the time to comprehend what you've said and better understand what you've said before you hit enter and embarrass yourself again

I know exactly what I said. He’s not generational, not even close. He’s a p/gp 19 year old through 7 games - impressive, and he’s a good young player, but that’s it.

Let’s take a look at past generational players in their D+2 seasons to see where he stands in comparison:

McDavid: 100 points in 82 gp
Crosby: 120 points in 79 gp
Ovechkin: 106 points in 81 gp
Lindros: 75 points in 61 gp
Lemieux: 141 points in 79 gp
Gretzky (had he been drafted, modern rules): 137 points in 79 gp

Michkov: 7 points in 7 gp

He’s not even in the same stratosphere as even a borderline case like Lindros.

Yet, somehow according to you, the fanboys calling him generational “have the ammo and high ground”.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

1 5v5 point and -9, generational AF

I was one of the biggest Michkov fans on this board but this shit is getting ridiculous

 

[Vinh]

~7 minutes of highlights from Michkov's first 7 NHL games:

Also shared my thoughts here if anyone's interested: First Impressions: Matvei Michkov

After reading through this thread, I agree with the Matthew Tkachuk style comp (NZ link-up play from RW and quick-strike playmaking near the goal line). Whiskey's takes align pretty closely with mine. We can debate how much his speed will hold him back long-term, but there's really no denying the puck skills and IQ. Sees the ice like very few young players in the game.

 

[River Meadow]

“Am I a joke to you ?”

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Yes

 

[Dingo]

So...I have to dump the gravy...? Are you thinking out the logistics here, sir?

you will never have to do it

 

[antman12]

Still excited about his game last night. Felt like he gained a ton of confidence.

Would love for him be back on a line with Frost, who also played well last night.

“Can’t wait” to see what Tort’s line blender spits out for this weekend…only to be changed after the first period anyway. SMH.

 

[Rebels57]

Crosby? Orr? Howe? Ovechkin ?

I forgot Crosby by accident while in a rush. Correcting that mistake now.

Ovechkin is a generational player, but was not considered generational as a prospect.

Im just speaking in terms of "prospect status."

 

[Garbageyuk]

I forgot Crosby by accident while in a rush. Correcting that mistake now.

Ovechkin is a generational player, but was not considered generational as a prospect.

Im just speaking in terms of "prospect status."

Ovechkin was 100% seen as a generational prospect. FLA tried to take him 3rd overall in 2003, the deepest draft of all time, using a birthday technicality.

Malkin was viewed as strong 1OA calibre prospect in his own right, but Ovechkin was seen as a tier above that.

The media wasn’t what it is today back then and there was no social media, so I get why you’d think that, especially if you were young, but you’re incorrect.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Ovechkin was seen as generational

 

[Devonator]

KHL production only means something if you’re a Montreal fan and if it’s Demidov. “Generational“ btw.

I know it is early but I am predicting Michkov is going to be a franchise player and I would be willing to bet he will be better the Bedard.....that is no slight against Bedard, only that Michkov is going to be incredible....only injuries can derail this kid......the Flyers have a great piece to build around now.

 

[SaSaShi]

I feel like he's best with Frost and Foerster

I dont think theyve tried this yet...

Agree on Bedard's physical limitations. It's why I thought he may be better as a wing long term.

What do you think is Bedard's physical limitations??

He's a pretty good skater

Is it his size?

 

[Rebels57]

Ovechkin was 100% seen as a generational prospect. FLA tried to take him 3rd overall in 2003, the deepest draft of all time, using a birthday technicality.

Malkin was viewed as strong 1OA calibre prospect in his own right, but Ovechkin was seen as a tier above that.

The media wasn’t what it is today back then and there was no social media, so I get why you’d think that, especially if you were young, but you’re incorrect.

I'm 39. I dont recall Ovechkin being hyped as "generational," but to be fair I was in my late teens/early 20s at the time and doing more partying than prospect watching lol.

 

[wetcoast]

Well then either you're simply not watching or you don't comprehend what you're watching.

Michkov IQ is by far and away his biggest attribute. He does stuff no other player I've ever seen play the game do outside of Crosby

Look I'm done arguing this but let's suppose that you are right how do you explain his total lack of a defensive game and lack of tilting the ice 5 on 5 in any meaningful way then?

Or maybe you just haven't been watching hockey very long?

Right now he looks like a PP merchant like I suggested upthread.

I promise you, your definition of generational isn't normal.

Orr
Crosby
Ovechkin

At bare minimum need to be added

I agree with this but the "generational tag" gets thrown around way too easily and has lost all meaning.

 

[SaSaShi]

~7 minutes of highlights from Michkov's first 7 NHL games:

Also shared my thoughts here if anyone's interested: First Impressions: Matvei Michkov

After reading through this thread, I agree with the Matthew Tkachuk style comp (NZ link-up play from RW and quick-strike playmaking near the goal line). Whiskey's takes align pretty closely with mine. We can debate how much his speed will hold him back long-term, but there's really no denying the puck skills and IQ. Sees the ice like very few young players in the game.

I read the write up with this video you made, very accurate assessment.

He definitely needs power skating training/muscle building regimen to improve his top speed. As is, with no skating improvement, it is quite safe to say that he can still be an 80-90 pt player in his prime, but with just an uptick in his skating speed/explosiveness, those point totals will rise significantly.

Currently he is at 54th percentile top speed as your write up mentioned....basically average top speed. He needs to get it to 40th percentile (slightly above average top speed). The write up alluded to Kaprizov and Brayden Point's skating improvement, but the list is long for players who improved their skating from their rookie years

Draisatl, Mark Stone, Luc Robitaiile, Couturier, Brink, Horvat.

That's all Michkov needs really and it can be done. I just hope that flyers management puts priority in this to set him up with a dedicated program.

 

[majormajor]

What do you think is Bedard's physical limitations??

He's a pretty good skater

Is it his size?

Bedard is short (plays at elbow height and lacks reach), and is not fast enough to gain separation. Michkov has that problem and is even slower.

 

[Kshahdoo]

At least he can shoot...

 

[Vinh]

I read the write up with this video you made, very accurate assessment.

He definitely needs power skating training/muscle building regimen to improve his top speed. As is, with no skating improvement, it is quite safe to say that he can still be an 80-90 pt player in his prime, but with just an uptick in his skating speed/explosiveness, those point totals will rise significantly.

Currently he is at 54th percentile top speed as your write up mentioned....basically average top speed. He needs to get it to 40th percentile (slightly above average top speed). The write up alluded to Kaprizov and Brayden Point's skating improvement, but the list is long for players who improved their skating from their rookie years

Draisatl, Mark Stone, Luc Robitaiile, Couturier, Brink, Horvat.

That's all Michkov needs really and it can be done. I just hope that flyers management puts priority in this to set him up with a dedicated program.

Thanks for checking it out. I have to imagine either he and/or Philly's management will prioritize his skating over the summer. Assuming he gains a step, he should take his 5-on-5 offense to another level. We already know what he can do on the PP.