RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[deejb]

After last year's PP clownshow I didn't see this coming

Yeah. Last year's the best PP performer was Frost with mind-blowing 11 points.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Discourse would improve 10X if the word "generational" was somehow outlawed.

Meaningless term of art.

I don’t think that would stop certain posters from saying he’s Crosby and Kucherov combined and will be putting up McDavid type numbers lmfao

 

[FlyguyOX]

This is the conundrum of the philly fans who love this team too much. We never get "draft breaks" from the NHL because whether 1st place or last place, the arena is always full.

We gotta a pull a Pittsburgh and just make the arena a ghost town and be near bankrupt. Hagens and McKenna will be in orange and black like Crosby and Malkin. The NHL would go crazy losing the philly market.

Except when we move up to 2 and draft a kid with CTE

 

[Gregor Samsa]

My thoughts are that just because you are amongst the best in the league doesn’t mean you are generational. Generational players were known when they were 12 years old and hit the NHL running. They also tend to have that je ne sais quoi and there is a big stir about them and it turns out to be correct. In my lifetime the players consider generational are Lindros, Crosby, McDavid. It remains to be seen with Bedard. I’m on the fence with Ovechkin. Ultimately “generational” is a pretty useless term. There are many all time greats who weren’t generational so it means little

 

[DaPhazz]

Crosby.

get ouuuut

 

[C0DITH]

The exciting thing about Mich is that he isn't even close to peak yet. But its amazing how quick he's adapted to the NHL. Love the tenacity in the game, he's a true gamer. You don't see that from a lot of kids right away anymore.

 

[Fantomas]

Wish I could install an add-on to my browser that replaces the word "generational" with "hurr durr" so I can at least laugh myself silly while skimming through these threads.

 

[kp61c]

The greatest goal scorer in history of the sport with one the most impressive hardware collection doesn’t make your list ? I think you’re greatly mistaken

Wouldn't have made my list too. Crosby and mcdavid are borderline cases.

 

[canary]

Wouldn't have made my list too. Crosby and mcdavid are borderline cases.

If generational players are by definition the best of their generation, who is better than these three players in the currently active generations of players.
Just feels like reaction farming, which I've evidently fell for.

 

[Michael Farkas]

Patrick Marleau - generational games played-er...?

 

[alicia]

He looks okay out there I guess

 

[kp61c]

If generational players are by definition the best of their generation, who is better than these three players in the currently active generations of players.
Just feels like reaction farming, which I've evidently fell for.

I don't agree that being the best of their generation automatically makes you generational. You need to be clearly a cut above the rest.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I don't agree that being the best of their generation automatically makes you generational.

Generational = the type of talent that you only see once or twice every 25-30 years. In the history of the NHL, about 100 years, there should only be 4-6 generational players.

You could have two generational players from the same draft year or not see one for 40 years.

 

[kp61c]

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[Dingo]

Generational has lost a lot of meaning when there are 5-6 guys per generation with that moniker

totally.

Its also a stupid term. This isnt Highlander. There can be more than one 10/10 prospect in a 'generation' ' (what does that mean? 20 years? or every draft year? or 5 years? or is it just something that can be twisted to the speaker's biases, like Hart Trophy voting) And there can also be zero.

Michkov is exciting. Fun to see how good he will, or won't, become with his very unique developing skillset. Will he be a Danny Briere with his quick, opportunistic capitalization? Is his shot and passing WAY better than that and he will put up monster points? Is he ACTUALLY small, or will he turn into a fire hydrant of puck protection?

 

[Rebels57]

Generational = the type of talent that you only see once or twice every 25-30 years. In the history of the NHL, about 100 years, there should only be 4-6 generational players.

You could have two generational players from the same draft year or not see one for 40 years.

This.

There has only been 5 "generational prospects" so far as far as i'm concerned.

Gretzky
Lemieux
Lindros
Crosby
McDavid

 

[MNRube]

Rarely will you see a 19 years old kid jump in and have a PPG season unless you’re a Crosby/McDavid type of talent. Even guys like Jack Hughes couldn’t it before D+3.

If Michkov gets anywhere from 45-55 points season it will be a success.

he’s PPG with an unsustainably low ES SH%. And this guy still is taking trash.

 

[Tanknation]

This.

There has only been 4 "generational prospects" so far as far as i'm concerned.

Gretzky
Lemieux
Lindros
McDavid

Crosby? Orr? Howe? Ovechkin ?

 

[Svedu]

Yikes, someone's sensitive.

I have a higher bar for than you. I don't consider Ovechkin, Malkin, or Jagr to be "generational" players. As others have pointed out, its a highly subjective term, so I am not sure why you are so offended.

Going back to 40 years, there have been 4 forwards I consider generational:

Gretzky
Lemieux
Crosby
McDavid

Ovechkin doesn't make that list for me.

I'm not sensitive just because you think so. I think your takes are laughable, that's just all. You don't think Ovie is generational and therefor I won't mind anything you call me. But if I would be sensitive, what are you? The one who doesn't have the balls to answer another individual and then cry about it here? You call me sensitive and I call you what then? Stupid and a narcissist? If Ovie isn't generational then you aren't a human being. We can just create our own subjective lies as much as we all want. You seem to be the master of that.

I'm not offended. I just think it's plain stupid to not claim the possibly best goalscorer ever generational. If anything, it's delusional.

Regarding your list? What a joke. McDavid isn't better than Jagr imho. He also hasn't been near to reach Ovies titles and performances so far. Will he do that? Probably, who knows. I just do think it's so simple minded and pathetic to call McDavid generational and not Ovie. I mean McDavid haven't even won a Stanley with Draisatl yet. Kucherov has produced more these last two seasons? Hasn't Kucherov already won a Stanley as well? But what, McDavid is then generational and not Ovie.
What about McDavids linemate and still he isn't top 10 so far this year? Again, very generational... In his prime as well... Let me guess, just because Messi is the best ever in football that excludes Ronaldo from being a generational player? Thank you for the laugh and showing your simple way of reasoning.
You seem to be filled with this NA biased bullish*t and I'm calling you out and enjoying it.

 

[Sasso09]

Or maybe some people equate elite hands and other offensive traits with IQ?

I don't think that Michov has bad hockey IQ but I haven't seen elite IQ there so we will agree to disagree there.

Where there is no disagreement is that Michkov is going to be a PP monster.

Well then either you're simply not watching or you don't comprehend what you're watching.

Michkov IQ is by far and away his biggest attribute. He does stuff no other player I've ever seen play the game do outside of Crosby

This.

There has only been 4 "generational prospects" so far as far as i'm concerned.

Gretzky
Lemieux
Lindros
McDavid

I promise you, your definition of generational isn't normal.

Orr
Crosby
Ovechkin

At bare minimum need to be added

 

[Sasso09]

These kind of "stats" are useless.

Why? Because they make your statement look dumb?

 

[Sasso09]

We’ve had the word “generational” rammed down our throats for 2 years by Russian fanboys and Habs haters. Reality has set in. You love to see it.

What Reality are you living in?


Michkov has had an excellent start

 

[Sasso09]

This right here is the exact problem. No he's fuking not the 'top dog' already. Anytime someone points out basic neutral facts in this thread, or the last Michkov threads, they're labeled a 'hater'. I f***ing love Michkov, but no he's not the top dog (yet), and yes 2 of the players his khl stats compared mostly closely with were nhl busts.

I love watching this kid play, and he is the closest to being the next Kucherov, based on his game, not his nationality. He has to prove it. Shitting on a linemate who scored 55 goals in the last 2 years is not actually helping your case.

EDIT: Not you, that other guy who keeps shitting on Tippett, and pretending Bedard had better linemates last year.

Bedard DEFINITELY had better linemates last year.

Tippett has been horrendous this year and Michkov has been playing with everyone including Laughton and Couturier...

And yes, MICHKOV IS the top dog already. Incase you're confused, that means he's his teams best player, doesn't mean he's a top player in the league.

 

[Sasso09]

he looked more in tune on a line with couturier/konecny.....keep him away from Tippett, their games do not mesh.

I feel like he's best with Frost and Foerster

 

[Sasso09]

-9 after 7 games... Still there are 4 players on the Flyers who are -10.

+/- only means something when it's relative to the team. Flyers are a collective -14, Michkov was on the ice for 3 ENG already.

-6 on a -14 team is pretty good.

Only -1 from that. Just look at 5v5 +/-.

Wrong, he was on ice for 3 empty net goals