RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[Sasso09]

I get it, he's your guy. But getting salty at legitimate criticism doesn't change the fact that he blew it.. He can play responsibly 98% of the time, but if the time he chooses to peel off is when Draisaitl is flying down the middle of the ice on his way to an OT winner, then he needs to be held responsible.

FYI, I've watched most of Philly's games against Calgary and Edmonton, and bits of the game against Vancouver. Considering that encompasses Michkov's entire career so far, your assertion couldn't be any more false. This is his first error that cost them a game, but again, we're only 3 games in. If you want to make the argument that the good outweighs the bad, I'll listen, but if you're going to pretend that there is no bad, well, keep your head in the sand if that's what you want to do - it's your life.

Let's talk about how in this entire thread, and his career thus far it's been 90% good and you have only spoke on what was bad? You're telling on yourself

 

[Sasso09]

The Habs made a mistake for sure, and they probably got the worst player in the top 10, but every team other than Chicago also made a mistake. I don’t know why it’s acceptable to shame them, but not all the other teams.

It's because those other teams know they f***ed up. Habs fans by in large pretend it was all part of a bigger plan and that they needed a RD and preferred Demidov so didn't take Michkov so they could take Demidov and took their D instead... It's a pretty ludicrous thought process, but that's why they get shamed, denial.

 

[Sasso09]

My mistake, I wasn't aware that Michkov is immune to criticism....Do I need to start all my posts here with a gripe about Bedard first?

Look, my daughter and I spent last night watching Bedard on one screen and Michkov on the other. She's more interested in Bedard because her boyfriend is a big fan, but I was watching Michkov, and I thought he acquitted himself quite nicely for the bulk of the game. But as he did so often in Sochi, he blew the zone looking for a breakaway pass that never came, because it was in the back of his net, scored by the guy he should have been checking. It was a bad play, he's still got things to learn.

The problem you're having is, you come onto a Michkov thread, you say absolutely nothing about the countless positive things he has done that are being talked about by everyone and you wait for your moment where he makes a mistake and you jump all over it.

That's why you're being jumped on and people are getting defensive. Your motives are preetty clear here.

And Bedard is being brought up because you mentioned Michkov dropping due to his defense. Bedard has been a worse defensive player throughout his junior career and in the NHL than Michkov is, why didn't he drop? The answer is, he didn't drop due to any defensice deficiencies

 

[Sasso09]

I don't get this either.....5 teams passed on Michkov.....they are all equally guilty of poor drafting....


I don't know....a lot of your posters last night were pretty upset after Michkovs 2 goal game....and this is only the beginning....one thing I like about the Habs board is the general honesty.....you guys are to passionate about Hockey to hide your true feelings.....granted this happens to every sports team....as a Flyer fan I am still mad about us passing on Caulfield......

How and why? Flyers trading York for Caufield would be disastrous. York is their top D, a true top pair defenseman (2D). Caufield is a 5'6" one dimensional winger who would be competing with Tippet as the 3rd best RW on the team.

Likewise i think Habs would rather keep Caulfield over York with their teams current makeup. In a vacuum the players are pretty much even, Caulfield slightly "better", York far more important posiiton.

 

[wetcoast]

Or, get this.

He's just blatantly wrong about Michkov not having ELITE IQ

Or maybe some people equate elite hands and other offensive traits with IQ?

I don't think that Michov has bad hockey IQ but I haven't seen elite IQ there so we will agree to disagree there.

Where there is no disagreement is that Michkov is going to be a PP monster.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Or maybe some people equate elite hands and other offensive traits with IQ?

I don't think that Michov has bad hockey IQ but I haven't seen elite IQ there so we will agree to disagree there.

Where there is no disagreement is that Michkov is going to be a PP monster.

As far as I remember the Flyers had the worst PP in the league not in just previous season, but in a few previous seasons.

And look at Bedard. It's his second full NHL season, and as I understand, he has fewer 5vs5 points than PP secondary assists.

 

[wetcoast]

As far as I remember the Flyers had the worst PP in the league not in just previous season, but in a few previous seasons.

And look at Bedard. It's his second full NHL season, and as I understand, he has fewer 5vs5 points than PP secondary assists.

They can only go up with Michkov and a healthy full season of Drysdale.

 

[jj cale]

This thread is something else, it's must see stuff.

 

[Fatass]

Or maybe some people equate elite hands and other offensive traits with IQ?

I don't think that Michov has bad hockey IQ but I haven't seen elite IQ there so we will agree to disagree there.

Where there is no disagreement is that Michkov is going to be a PP monster.

Imo elite hockey iq presents in how quickly a players reads the play. Watching MM it’s obvious (to people who understand the game) that he has uniquely high hockey iq. Follow him and not the puck. The puck comes to him because he’s reading where it will be faster than all the other players. He sees the game two or three steps ahead of the other players. MM has exceptional hockey iq.

 

[SlobKnox]

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Imo elite hockey iq presents in how quickly a players reads the play. Watching MM it’s obvious (to people who understand the game) that he has uniquely high hockey iq. Follow him and not the puck. The puck comes to him because he’s reading where it will be faster than all the other players. He sees the game two or three steps ahead of the other players. MM has exceptional hockey iq.

shhhh… If you trot down to the Demidov thread they seem to think that Demidov is the one with the higher IQ.. Funny how this board works

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

They can only go up with Michkov and a healthy full season of Drysdale.

There should not be much chance of a full season for Drysdale and the rest of the team is not very good unless Frost and Farabee pick it up.

 

[kp61c]

michkov is -6 in 5 games already. he's a defensive liability and is being exposed as such. he is great at creating high-scoring chances, though. low iq and shoot-first mentality of teammates make it sure that there're no high-scoring chances for him.

 

[phil162888]

michkov is -6 in 5 games already. he's a defensive liability and is being exposed as such. he is great at creating high-scoring chances, though. low iq and shoot-first mentality of teammates make it sure that there're no high-scoring chances for him.

Their entire team is negative... Fedotov large part of that plus difficult early schedule... Michkov has made some solid plays defensively as well as some blatant mishaps (like the Edmonton OT goal).. he's a rookie ... thats what happens lol

 

[nbducksfan19]

He is not good at all defensively, but he is a rookie and this is to be expected to some extent.

hopefully he takes coaching well and improves over the next couple years, because he is dynamic.

 

[Garbageyuk]

It's because those other teams know they f***ed up. Habs fans by in large pretend it was all part of a bigger plan and that they needed a RD and preferred Demidov so didn't take Michkov so they could take Demidov and took their D instead... It's a pretty ludicrous thought process, but that's why they get shamed, denial.

This is your own narrative. I wouldn’t have picked Michkov or Reinbacher at the draft, and I still wouldn’t pick either with hindsight (especially Reinbacher, fwiw). And yes, I prefer Demidov and would still prefer him to Michkov even if the Habs took someone else. Demidov is bigger, faster, stronger, better attitude, and two-way game, and plays more in the dirty areas. Michkov on the other hand, is a small scoring winger who lacks speed. His upside is a smaller, slower, more PP reliant version of Vladimir Tarasenko.

 

[DuklaNation]

4 pts, 5 games, -6. All 4 pts on the PP. The unhealthy obsession needs to be checked.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

This thread is something else, it's must see stuff.

Nah. I've seen it. Gonna have to respectfully disagree.

 

[jj cale]

Nah. I've seen it. Gonna have to respectfully disagree.

True.

 

[Kshahdoo]

michkov is -6 in 5 games already. he's a defensive liability and is being exposed as such. he is great at creating high-scoring chances, though. low iq and shoot-first mentality of teammates make it sure that there're no high-scoring chances for him.

Drysdale is -7, TK -6, Frost, Farabee and Zamula are -5. And TK, Michkov and Farabee all play on different lines. Hockey is a team sport, and it's obvious here.

 

[FlyguyOX]

This is your own narrative. I wouldn’t have picked Michkov or Reinbacher at the draft, and I still wouldn’t pick either with hindsight (especially Reinbacher, fwiw). And yes, I prefer Demidov and would still prefer him to Michkov even if the Habs took someone else. Demidov is bigger, faster, stronger, better attitude, and two-way game, and plays more in the dirty areas. Michkov on the other hand, is a small scoring winger who lacks speed. His upside is a smaller, slower, more PP reliant version of Vladimir Tarasenko.

Lmaoooo

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

4 pts, 5 games, -6. All 4 pts on the PP. The unhealthy obsession needs to be checked.

Yeah the 19 year old rookie who's clearly been the best player on his team, lmao. The whole teams been awful, he's literally the only bright spot, but I know you typed this because you don't watch the games. Check more box scores and post absolute nonsense, I'm sure your post history is comical.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Yeah the 19 year old rookie who's clearly been the best player on his team, lmao. The whole teams been awful, he's literally the only bright spot, but I know you typed this because you don't watch the games. Check more box scores and post absolute nonsense, I'm sure your post history is comical.

Awful? They played four road games to start the year - two of which went to overtime, including a game against the defending Stanley Cup finalists.

Ironically, their only bad loss to this point was last night's home opener against the Canucks.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Awful? They played four road games to start the year - two of which went to overtime, including a game against the defending Stanley Cup finalists.

Ironically, their only bad loss to this point was last night's home opener against the Canucks.

Look at the stats of the top players on the team and watch the games from beginning to end the eye test is brutal. Michkov setup 2 damn near sure goals last game 1 5v5 and 1 pp, ridiculous they weren’t converted, the teams playing terrible.

 

[jj cale]

I honesty can't recall the defense of a just entering the league highly hyped forward prospect ever being so focused on as it has been the last 2 years with Bedard and Michkov, it's always been about what they are doing offensively that everyone keys in on almost exclusively ( everyone being well aware young junior scoring stars rarely ever focus on or are adept at the defensive side of the game at this stage of their careers)

What explains this new phenomenon around these parts?

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

I recognize that the Flyers have been dog shit the past few games, but Michkov isn't really the kind of player that can break open games with individual efforts like Bedard can. To be able to really shine, Michkov needs teammates who are capable of playing in step with him