RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[Redpath]

The thread has moved on to the barganing stage of depression after putting so many unrelistic expectations and pressure on this kid. Preseason and Russian hockey are totally different thatn what he is experiencing now.

In his defense, not being able to play against the best of his peers has hurt his development. I sitll think sometime in the AHL would do him so good.

He's played two (2) NHL games against real competition, has a point, and has created a number of dangerous chances already.

I think it's a bit premature to say there's any "stage of depression" going on.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

The thread has moved on to the barganing stage of depression after putting so many unrelistic expectations and pressure on this kid. Preseason and Russian hockey are totally different thatn what he is experiencing now.

In his defense, not being able to play against the best of his peers has hurt his development. I sitll think sometime in the AHL would do him so good.

Are we in the same thread? Have you actually watched Michkov's games? LOL, it's okay to not like a player or root against a prospect if you so choose, but to blatently type incorrect, weird stuff like this is bizarre.

 

[LuGBuG]

How is it a goal 8/10 times? When Michkov made that pass TK's stick was literally sat on by the entire force of a man's weight and strength. How is TK going to get it in the net? Have you ever played hockey like lol

quite an analysis to be paired with “have you ever played hockey”

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

You really think his best option was to shoot from that position when the goalie covers pretty much the whole net?

LOL... where was your criticism when Michkov had 4 SOG against the Canucks? Besides that, Michkov had a really good game against the Flames. Several high danger passes which his teammates couldn't convert. He looked a little bit nervous against the Canucks. But if he continues like he did in the last game, the goals and points will come.

Even with the start he had he already looks like a top 3 player for the Flyers and the main force on the PP. How does the other 2023 picks are doing so far (especially those drawn before him)? Simashev not in the NHL, Reinbacher is a total fiasco and the fresh prince is not looking like an NHLer for now.

I said that he should take the bit of extra space he had toward the slot and shoot, probably low or for a rebound. The forward defender to his left is not aggressively closing in on him and being a bit lazy

Yeah, I would say overall Michkov looks great. I'm mostly combating the unrealistic views that he's on Bedard's level and whatnot. Right now he is absolutely not .. in the future? .. possibly but he has a lot to improve

 

[Appleyard]

The thread has moved on to the barganing stage of depression after putting so many unrelistic expectations and pressure on this kid. Preseason and Russian hockey are totally different thatn what he is experiencing now.

In his defense, not being able to play against the best of his peers has hurt his development. I sitll think sometime in the AHL would do him so good.

He has been one of the Flyers best players through 2 games after being their best player in pre-season...

 

[Fantomas]

He's played two (2) NHL games against real competition, has a point, and has created a number of dangerous chances already.

I think it's a bit premature to say there's any "stage of depression" going on.

I'm really enjoying Michkov's game so far and think he's settling in nicely. He does have some haters who have been laying in wait (several in this thread), looking for an opportunity to pounce on any weakness. Unfortunately for them, they're reduced to squeezing water from a stone. Most of them don't really care that they'll be proven wrong. Once that becomes clear they'll just vanish.

 

[JABEE]

Why is Michkov getting this much hate? He has played two games and has an assist. That’s not really a good sample size. Why would anyone be upset about that?

 

[FlyguyOX]

Leads the flyers in xGF/60 so far. Luchanko is 2nd. Luchanko has 2nd highest xGdifferential/60 on the team.

 

[majormajor]

Leads the flyers in xGF/60 so far. Luchanko is 2nd. Luchanko has 2nd highest xGdifferential/60 on the team.

That's about as valuable as used toilet paper at this point of the season. Luchanko has under 10 minutes total 5v5 TOI. Let's wait a few games.

FWIW NST has Cates and Tippett on top in xGF/60.

 

[FlyguyOX]

That's about as valuable as used toilet paper at this point of the season. Luchanko has under 10 minutes total 5v5 TOI. Let's wait a few games.

FWIW NST has Cates and Tippett on top in xGF/60.

As valuable as anyone ITT's eye observations. I got my numbers from Evolving-Hockey

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

People are getting their licks in before he starts torching the league. He had two indifferent games. So what? We’re two games into the season, and his team is starting with the toughest road trip of the year for an Eastern team.

 

[Zine]

Michkov is also transitioning to a new style of hockey, and a new lifestyle outside the rink. That's a lot for a 19/20 year old to deal with, especially when playing at NHL level. People aren't robots.

It's something Bedard had the luxury of not dealing with.

I'd give Michkov 1/3 to half season to truly get compfortable.

 

[ReimanSum1908]

Why is Michkov getting this much hate? He has played two games and has an assist. That’s not really a good sample size. Why would anyone be upset about that?

Because people are desperate and jealous, wishing to denigrate the genuinely shiny new toy that the Flyers fans are going to be able to enjoy for the next decade and a half, while also justifying their own team's selection.

 

[C0DITH]

Kid has created so many chances already, and no one has been really able to capitalize other than Konecny. You can tell he still isn't completely confident in taking the shot just yet, but he is dishing to guys like crazy. Give him some time, and we will see him be more greedy with the puck. The skill is so obvious, even the Powerplay looks 100X better just when he is present.

 

[Blue and Green]

I don't think there have been many unrealistic expectations at all. 50-60 points (which seems to be the prediction by most posters) seems very reasonable.

I think he'll be around a point per game. Carlsson and Fantilli were both over .5 per game last season. He's easily above either of them on offensive talent, and he's coming into this league 12 months and 9 months, respectively, older than they were which makes a real difference at that age.

 

[Kshahdoo]

I'm pretty sure he isn't happy about his game either (and he looked ok in those 2 games), and when he isn't happy about himself he usually finds new ways to become even more dangerous and effective.

 

[Redpath]

 

[kp61c]

and what will torts do if michkov doesn't look "fully comfortable" as rw either?

 

[Appleyard]

and what will torts do if michkov doesn't look "fully comfortable" as rw either?

Tbf he has played 95 of his 103 pro games before game #1 of an NHL season at RW... and has probably spent more minutes at C in his career than LW.

And played all pre-season at RW. It was bizarre to move him to LW for game 1 of the season to begin... and thankfully he is moving back as his game is way better suited to RW. (and he has created most of his chances from the RW in the 2 games so far)

And still playing "out of position" was one of the Flyers best players.

 

[Next Best Thing]

He's bound to contribute more at some point, as he's getting moren engaged in the play and comfortable with his teammates. TOI showed Torts isn't afraid of using him and keeping his promises so far.

 

[wetcoast]

Just so people can calm down a bit, here is Bedard's first 6 NHL games as a rookie: 0G 2A and -6.

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Give the kid some room to breathe.

Sure but Michov is almost a year older and Bedard was doing that last year this year they aren't close and Michov will always be older.

I think he will be a very good player BTW but not generational like he was looking at the U17s back in the day or whatever tournament that was.

 

[majormajor]

Just so people can calm down a bit, here is Bedard's first 6 NHL games as a rookie: 0G 2A and -6.

Connor Bedard Stats And News

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Give the kid some room to breathe.

That's not accurate. You were looking at his last six games of last year. In his first six games he had 2G, 2A.

I think he'll be around a point per game. Carlsson and Fantilli were both over .5 per game last season. He's easily above either of them on offensive talent, and he's coming into this league 12 months and 9 months, respectively, older than they were which makes a real difference at that age.

I think Michkov could outscore those guys if he is in the right situation. Fantilli is the least contextual of the three, he can fly down the ice and beat goalies, it doesn't matter as much who he is playing with. Carlsson is a primary playmaker who needs others to finish. Michkov can score or set up others but as a slower player he needs guys to help him get the puck up ice and work with him on give and gos. He's not dangling through three guys himself. A hot PP and if he stays with Konecny, then I could imagine Michkov piling up points. Fantilli is not on the top unit in Columbus and is playing with waiver quality linemates.

 

[Boxscore]

He's played 2 regular season games and has 1 point. But, if we're being honest, he could easily have 3-4 points already if his linemates could anticipate and handle those jaw-dropping surprise passes he's made to them. The Flyers need to get him away from guys like Couturier who look cooked and play him with kids who can think the game quickly and take advantage of those Michkov gifts.

 

[C0DITH]

He's played 2 regular season games and has 1 point. But, if we're being honest, he could easily have 3-4 points already if his linemates could anticipate and handle those jaw-dropping surprise passes he's made to them. The Flyers need to get him away from guys like Couturier who look cooked and play him with kids who can think the game quickly and take advantage of those Michkov gifts.

I'd like to see Foerster - Frost - Michkov

Frost and Mich together always seem to be able to anticipate each other better, and Foerster has been a beast. He can bring the shot + the defensive responsibility to that line.

 

[ViD]

They are facing the angry Oilers that certainly don’t want to go 0-4. Will be a tough game for the Flyers