RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[Garbageyuk]

They fight it off like men over there. No antibiotics needed.

In Russia, you do not get pneumonia; pneumonia gets you.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

The level of hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness here is almost unfathomable. Truly amazing.

So then nothing to add to the conversation I take it .. . Appreciate your contribution

He's already missing that much time in a season as a teenager? Seems like cause for concern.

Name checks out lol

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Advanced stats are good stats until it doesn’t fit the narrative you created in your own head then they become useless and whoever dare post them is a hater and doesn’t know puck about the game.

Give the man the calder already. He earned it.

And for all the Michkov soy boy here, I do think he’s a top prospect and will have a good career in the NHL. Posting those stats doesn’t mean I think he will not have a career but it was worth mentioning in this thread that he regressed by a lot of metrics in his D+1x

I wish him the best in Philly though

How did you know I was lactose intolerant ? Are you a wizard ? ( ie soy ). He should absolutely be in the Calder conversation if he’s getting even moderately decent deployment / ice time .

 

[Baksfamous112]

How did you know I was lactose intolerant ? Are you a wizard ? ( ie soy ). He should absolutely be in the Calder conversation if he’s getting even moderately decent deployment / ice time .

He’s most likely going to have favorable ice time and deployment since Philly is pretty much a black hole when it comes to offensive talent but in the odd chance that it isn’t the case, are you going to blame the coach & management saying how stupid they are and how they know nothing about hockey is it going to be Michkov’s fault for simply not being good enough to warrant the ice time and deployment?

 

[Xirik]

He’s most likely going to have favorable ice time and deployment since Philly is pretty much a black hole when it comes to offensive talent but in the odd chance that it isn’t the case, are you going to blame the coach & management saying how stupid they are and how they know nothing about hockey is it going to be Michkov’s fault for simply not being good enough to warrant the ice time and deployment?

Do you personally think the Flyers have a good GM/Management and coach?

 

[Baksfamous112]

Do you personally think the Flyers have a good GM/Management and coach?

Jury still out on Briere. He did some good moves and some head scratchers so far.

I think Tortorella is a good coach.

 

[Rob Sense]

Agree, so part of aggressive mtl fanbase should stop to sh1t on player because their team decided to make wrong decision in the draft day. Sh1ting on a very talented player(or on any player who was not involved in rape situations, billing situations etc, shutting on player is a bad habit) is a bad practice from the beginning. If mtl decided to tell false stories about bad attitude, comparing player with player from other draft etc because they were afraid to draft Russian player in the most questionable moment between countries - it does mean that they did wrong decision in the moment. After time everybody see how Russian players are continuing to be drafted, like they travel to NA and play in NA, like business is continuing to work etc
And even MTL drafted other talented Russian player, even with "question " with his skating and "very selfish" play style on the ice. They didn't know will they have an opportunity to draft Demidov in 2023, they were very lucky to have it. It was a bad decision to not draft Michkov, it was an obvious mistake than, now it looks more obvious now and fans don't need to rationalize it by clear sh1tting on Michkov. No, he is competitive person, there were no problem with his deal, he isn't big and more offensive oriented as Bedard as Hughes was on the draft. No he has no problems with character. Mtl f×cked up, its okay to admit it.

Feel free not to generalize to the entire Montreal Canadiens Fanbase which is the largest in the world. I have not idea where you got these allegations one or two posters do not represent the millions of Habs fans. And if you feel that not drafting Michkov was a bad decision then so be it and enjoy your player. Sh1t happens!!

 

[HabzSauce]

At this point, we should combine michkov and demidov threads into one

 

[Guadana]

Feel free not to generalize to the entire Montreal Canadiens Fanbase which is the largest in the world. I have not idea where you got these allegations one or two posters do not represent the millions of Habs fans. And if you feel that not drafting Michkov was a bad decision then so be it and enjoy your player. Sh1t happens!!

I literally said that only part of mtl fan base is doing it. May be im not the one who generalize it?
Anyway there were more than two posters. Still not a whole fan base. But their activity is a foundation of thus discussion. Reason why many fans of different teams, Russians and not, flyers and not, are arguing against this. Because they are hockey fans at first. Reading why Russian fans mostly talking about Michkov who has better track record for now. Not because they don't like Demidov. Demidov is great and mtl were very lucky to draft him. Russian hockey fans really like him. But because Michkov was great and he was painted black before and after the draft for nothing. And like I said, all those hockey fans mostly don't talk a lot about Arizona or SJ picks, because fans of AC and SJ didn't try to sh1t on Michkov and didn't put an effort in it. There were beef with Fantilli fans some time ago. And still Fantillis pick was at least reasonable because Jackets had many wingers prospects and had no real future 1C potential prospect. May be even 2C potential prospect. Even if Michkov will turn into 100-120+ points player and Fantilli will turn into 80-90 points center, its understandable decision. Because teams do nothing without solid 1C even if he isn't star or generational player. Wild have awesome star winger Kaprizov but without true 1C level center they can't make next step. May be they will do in the future with their new pool of young players.

 

[HabzSauce]

And even MTL drafted other talented Russian player, even with "question " with his skating and "very selfish" play style on the ice. They didn't know will they have an opportunity to draft Demidov in 2023, they were very lucky to have it. It was a bad decision to not draft Michkov, it was an obvious mistake than, now it looks more obvious now and fans don't need to rationalize it by clear sh1tting on Michkov. No, he is competitive person, there were no problem with his deal, he isn't big and more offensive oriented as Bedard as Hughes was on the draft. No he has no problems with character. Mtl f×cked up, its okay to admit it.

Why do you act like michkov had no warts? No causes for concern? Also who the hell knows maybe he said no thanks to MTL?? If he was such a slam dunk then why not go at least #2?

You have no idea what is character is like let's be real here. All we have to go off of is rumors and more rumors. Where there's smoke there's fire....

MTL passed on michkov for reasons we can only speculate about. They obviously felt reinbacher was the better pick (as did 5 other teams). To say Habs objectively screwed up when neither have even played an NHL game yet is absolutely wild to me.

I do agree tho in that we got very lucky to draft demidov. Thank you Chicago lol

 

[Xirik]

Why do you act like michkov had no warts? No causes for concern? Also who the hell knows maybe he said no thanks to MTL?? If he was such a slam dunk then why not go at least #2?

You have no idea what is character is like let's be real here. All we have to go off of is rumors and more rumors. Where there's smoke there's fire....

MTL passed on michkov for reasons we can only speculate about. They obviously felt reinbacher was the better pick (as did 5 other teams). To say Habs objectively screwed up when neither have even played an NHL game yet is absolutely wild to me.

I do agree tho in that we got very lucky to draft demidov. Thank you Chicago lol

Russian hockey fans who speak and read Russian (omg) > Montreal media with an obvious narrative and slant.

 

[Guadana]

Why do you act like michkov had no warts? No causes for concern? Also who the hell knows maybe he said no thanks to MTL?? If he was such a slam dunk then why not go at least #2?

You have no idea what is character is like let's be real here. All we have to go off of is rumors and more rumors. Where there's smoke there's fire....

MTL passed on michkov for reasons we can only speculate about. They obviously felt reinbacher was the better pick (as did 5 other teams). To say Habs objectively screwed up when neither have even played an NHL game yet is absolutely wild to me.

I do agree tho in that we got very lucky to draft demidov. Thank you Chicago lol

He doesn't have warts.
He didn't say it. Because from the sh1tstorm Michkov got from mtl, mtl didn't say that Michkov said it.
Michkov himself said in interview that he had meeting with mtl too, and he would play for any team no matter who will draft him.

I have idea what the character he is. I saw a lot of his interviews, his partners, coaches, saw a lot of his games, how he act.
He hates to loose. But its okay for future star, he isn't the only one who is taking it personally.

Of course they do. They made mistake. Its okay to admit it. Its not okay to sh1t on player, to let media sh1t on player. And cover it by takes like "we like other player from other draft more".

Its okay to talk about who screwed up, because they are continuing to play, develop and perform. And they did before the draft. Everything can happen after - injuries, bad management, luck. Tampa made some bad decisions on the draft, they still were a great team. It doesn't change the fact of some bad drafting in the moment. I really like Slafkovsky and Demidovs pick. Pick of Guhle was very good too - he is much better than Schneider and he was better, even if some writers thought the opposite.

 

[Rob Sense]

He doesn't have warts.
He didn't say it. Because from the sh1tstorm Michkov got from mtl, mtl didn't say that Michkov said it.
Michkov himself said in interview that he had meeting with mtl too, and he would play for any team no matter who will draft him.

I have idea what the character he is. I saw a lot of his interviews, his partners, coaches, saw a lot of his games, how he act.
He hates to loose. But its okay for future star, he isn't the only one who is taking it personally.

Of course they do. They made mistake. Its okay to admit it. Its not okay to sh1t on player, to let media sh1t on player. And cover it by takes like "we like other player from other draft more".

Its okay to talk about who screwed up, because they are continuing to play, develop and perform. And they did before the draft. Everything can happen after - injuries, bad management, luck. Tampa made some bad decisions on the draft, they still were a great team. It doesn't change the fact of some bad drafting in the moment. I really like Slafkovsky and Demidovs pick. Pick of Guhle was very good too - he is much better than Schneider and he was better, even if some writers thought the opposite.

I wish you would stop using the word... but there is no sh1tstorm coming from Mtl against Michkov. He was passed over by 6 teams Mtl being only one of them. Again you generalize against the Habs fanbase. When 2 players are available and you only have one pick then obviously you cannot pick the other player!! Nobody knows who made the right pick and how it will impact the TEAM building process. Lose the chip on your shoulder...Mtl is fine with their pick. If Michkov becomes a superstar then good for him and the Flyers and you as his biggest fan. Let it go!

 

[Frank Drebin]

Do you personally think the Flyers have a good GM/Management and coach?

Great gm
Picked michkov

 

[ViD]

Great gm
Picked michkov

I mean picking Michkov at #7 is some kind of an achievement?

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

He’s most likely going to have favorable ice time and deployment since Philly is pretty much a black hole when it comes to offensive talent but in the odd chance that it isn’t the case, are you going to blame the coach & management saying how stupid they are and how they know nothing about hockey is it going to be Michkov’s fault for simply not being good enough to warrant the ice time and deployment?

I said moderately decent deployment. He’s not going to be handed anything. Torts will make you earn it . Both competitive individuals .

I wish you would stop using the word... but there is no sh1tstorm coming from Mtl against Michkov. He was passed over by 6 teams Mtl being only one of them. Again you generalize against the Habs fanbase. When 2 players are available and you only have one pick then obviously you cannot pick the other player!! Nobody knows who made the right pick and how it will impact the TEAM building process. Lose the chip on your shoulder...Mtl is fine with their pick. If Michkov becomes a superstar then good for him and the Flyers and you as his biggest fan. Let it go!

One of the main reasons he dropped was his 3 year freshly minted KHL contract . Montreal at the very least admitted as much ( via Lapointe ) . If teams knew that the delay would only be 1 year instead of 3 I expect the result would have been very different. Some teams may have still drafted for a need but not 6 imo

 

[HabzSauce]

He doesn't have warts.
He didn't say it. Because from the sh1tstorm Michkov got from mtl, mtl didn't say that Michkov said it.
Michkov himself said in interview that he had meeting with mtl too, and he would play for any team no matter who will draft him.

I have idea what the character he is. I saw a lot of his interviews, his partners, coaches, saw a lot of his games, how he act.
He hates to loose. But its okay for future star, he isn't the only one who is taking it personally.

Of course they do. They made mistake. Its okay to admit it. Its not okay to sh1t on player, to let media sh1t on player. And cover it by takes like "we like other player from other draft more".

Its okay to talk about who screwed up, because they are continuing to play, develop and perform. And they did before the draft. Everything can happen after - injuries, bad management, luck. Tampa made some bad decisions on the draft, they still were a great team. It doesn't change the fact of some bad drafting in the moment. I really like Slafkovsky and Demidovs pick. Pick of Guhle was very good too - he is much better than Schneider and he was better, even if some writers thought the opposite.

So why did 5 teams after CHI pass on Michkov? If he was that much of a slam dunk of a prospect he should have gone #2 at worst. Clearly there was something that made teams hesitant.

I agree tho I don't understand why we need to shit on other players. I think both reinbacher and michkov at their peak will be big impact players. Going to be a good time in both MTL and PHI.

I am curious tho why you think it was objectively bad pick at the time and even worse now? What are you basing your opinion on?

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

So why did 5 teams after CHI pass on Michkov? If he was that much of a slam dunk of a prospect he should have gone #2 at worst. Clearly there was something that made teams hesitant.

I agree tho I don't understand why we need to shit on other players. I think both reinbacher and michkov at their peak will be big impact players. Going to be a good time in both MTL and PHI.

I am curious tho why you think it was objectively bad pick at the time and even worse now? What are you basing your opinion on?

This has been beaten like a dead horse over and over again. At the draft he was the clear, very clear #2 talent (As a prospect up to that point). Most GM's don't last 3 years anymore, no one is willing to take the risk they won't see Michkov until 4 years when they had other solid talents like Carlsson and Fantilli available, especially when they play center. That's just as plain and simple as it gets, hockey is a business and the business side is important to management and people trying to keep their jobs, even owners, they need butts in seats. People just highlight Montreal and San Jose because they were in a slot where it kind of just made sense to take him, whatever shit happens and the picks were made.

 

[Frank Drebin]

This has been beaten like a dead horse over and over again. At the draft he was the clear, very clear #2 talent (As a prospect up to that point). Most GM's don't last 3 years anymore, no one is willing to take the risk they won't see Michkov until 4 years when they had other solid talents like Carlsson and Fantilli available, especially when they play center. That's just as plain and simple as it gets, hockey is a business and the business side is important to management and people trying to keep their jobs, even owners, they need butts in seats. People just highlight Montreal and San Jose because they were in a slot where it kind of just made sense to take him, whatever shit happens and the picks were made.

This is bogus. Plenty of top 5 picks aren’t impact players till their d+4 seasons.

Reinbacher probably won’t be a regular nhler till his d+3 season

Luke Hughes was a rookie in his d+3

You’re suggesting that having a rookie d for the d+3 was that important to the habs that they passed on this generational player?

Teams passed on him for reasons other than the contract.

 

[Rob Brown]

So why did 5 teams after CHI pass on Michkov?

Serious?

This is bogus. Plenty of top 5 picks aren’t impact players till their d+4 seasons.

Can you name them? Would actually like to see the list you provide.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

This is bogus. Plenty of top 5 picks aren’t impact players till their d+4 seasons.

Reinbacher probably won’t be a regular nhler till his d+3 season

Luke Hughes was a rookie in his d+3

You’re suggesting that having a rookie d for the d+3 was that important to the habs that they passed on this generational player?

Teams passed on him for reasons other than the contract.

When did I ever say the guy was generational, and if you think Michkov was a Canadian forward and wouldn't go 2nd overall you're kidding yourself, Michkov would have been in the NHL last year 100% for sure and would have likely performed better than anyone not named Bedard.

 

[Xirik]

I wish you would stop using the word... but there is no sh1tstorm coming from Mtl against Michkov. He was passed over by 6 teams Mtl being only one of them. Again you generalize against the Habs fanbase. When 2 players are available and you only have one pick then obviously you cannot pick the other player!! Nobody knows who made the right pick and how it will impact the TEAM building process. Lose the chip on your shoulder...Mtl is fine with their pick. If Michkov becomes a superstar then good for him and the Flyers and you as his biggest fan. Let it go!

Thread gets modded because of some people of a certain fanbase

Guadana tells some Fans's to stop using fake naratives to trash Mitchov

Poster "ReHab" ask a some posters of a certain fanbase to stop making @$@ of themselves.

It's starting to look like a pattern that posters from a "certain fanbase" come around August and early September to post in this thread.


Soon the migration season will start and the cycle will begin anew.

 

[thefutures]

Thread gets modded because of some people of a certain fanbase

Guadana tells some Fans's to stop using fake naratives to trash Mitchov

Poster "ReHab" ask a some posters of a certain fanbase to stop making @$@ of themselves.

It's starting to look like a pattern that posters from a "certain fanbase" come around August and early September to post in this thread.


Soon the migration season will start and the cycle will begin anew.

Has to be trolling at this point.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

This guy is going to be a monster, I was furious when we passed on him for Reinbacher, fortunately, we took Demidov this year, which helped me to get over it.

Can't wait to see how good he is.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

This is bogus. Plenty of top 5 picks aren’t impact players till their d+4 seasons.

Reinbacher probably won’t be a regular nhler till his d+3 season

Luke Hughes was a rookie in his d+3

You’re suggesting that having a rookie d for the d+3 was that important to the habs that they passed on this generational player?

Teams passed on him for reasons other than the contract.

Lapointe admitted that the 3 year contract and the uncertainty surrounding when Michkov would actually be available to the NHL did play a role in their decision to not select him .