RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[MrGuyPerson]

Bit of a threadjack...

My view was that he was on Bedard's level. Still is. BUT I wouldn't draft him that high because, as a GM, I'd have no control over where he goes or how he develops. I draft him, my team probably sucks because I'm drafting 1st or 2nd and I may be fired before he ever suits up.

So my question is for Flyer's fans...

Are you happy with how he is being developed in the KHL?

Are you happy to wait two more years till he arrives?

That's all.

I obviously can't speak for all flyers fans, so for me:

1. Currently yes. That answer will change if there isn't continued growth in his game next season. The strength training that occurred between year 1 to now deserves applause. First season he was easily overpowered. Now, he is built like tank and uses his body to fend off most opponents. I think that development was pretty critical to his current success. So year 1 great. For year 2 there are still areas of his game that need to grow. The first is most obvious area for growth is in the D-Zone. I think the strength training he did may play a factor in this. To bulk up and get strong as quick as he did I would imagine he had to compromise his conditioning/stamina/endurance. So I am not sure he has enough stamina to give his all in both ends. Now that he is strong enough to hold his own against men, I expect his physical training to pivot more towards conditioning for year 2, in turn at least minutely improving his D - Zone performance. The second is his shot. It is great, but he is capable of much more.

2. Well... in my ideal world the flyers would have been tanking this season and I would be overjoyed to let him marinate away from the team. Now, he is a piece they can't access that would help a winning team contend. I'm not sure how well he will get along with Torts, but I have no doubt he would thrive in his on ice system. Plus even with Michkov I still think they will need a 2nd star scorer to win the cup. So, I'm not thrilled, but who knows maybe Demidov falls because russia or Demidov really goes for it and tells the 16 - 22 teams in front of the flyers to pound sand because he wants to link up with his boy Michkov and get a Detroit 5 thing going in orange in black

 

[WPGDEVILS]

Excited to see what he does in the nhl, I don’t know if you can really compare his stats to legends of the past in the khl because from my understanding the league has had a significant dip in talent the past few years but he passes the eye test and then some

 

[FlyguyOX]

Malkin was not KHL, but I know you have to do your thing...

19-Year Old KHL Players - Regular Season Stats

19-year old KHL player stats. KHL player statistics segmented by age group.

www.quanthockey.com

Michkov highest pts/gp

 

[Garl]

1 year after Malkin's draft season(Or D +1) he had 32 points in 52 games. 2 years after malkins draft year(D + 2) he was just over PPG. 1 year after michkovs draft year he has 37 points in 41 games(37 in 40 if you remove his 3 shifts for SKA). You are correct in that Michkov is definitely behind Malkin in production in his D + 2 season after his draft. Although I rather strongly suspect this is likely due to Michkov's D +2 season not occurring until next season. Maybe I missed part this conversation though

He said U20 players, so D+1, D+2 doesnt matter.

Now, Malkin had higher ppg, but thats a small part. Malkin had highest ppg in the league that year, scoring in 2023-24 is way higher, and was leagues best player, and also, the best player on a team, that won regular season.
I mean, it is not close between him and Michkov in their final U20 seasons.

 

[Parliament]

He said U20 players, so D+1, D+2 doesnt matter.

Now, Malkin had higher ppg, but thats a small part. Malkin had highest ppg in the league that year, scoring in 2023-24 is way higher, and was leagues best player, and also, the best player on a team, that won regular season.
I mean, it is not close between him and Michkov in their final U20 seasons.

Right, but it does matter - doesn't it? Why would you compare D+2 year to a D+1 year? In fact why stop there; let's compare Malkin's D+2 year to Michkov's D-1 year. Wow Malkin crushed him!

Also did Malkin play C in the KHL?

 

[Kshahdoo]

He said U20 players, so D+1, D+2 doesnt matter.

Now, Malkin had higher ppg, but thats a small part. Malkin had highest ppg in the league that year, scoring in 2023-24 is way higher, and was leagues best player, and also, the best player on a team, that won regular season.
I mean, it is not close between him and Michkov in their final U20 seasons.

He still leads all time U20 players of the KHL by PPG being 3 weeks from being U19 player...

And as to Malkin, you love to say how weak current KHL is, then look at the RSL back then, and you'll see what a weak league actually looked like.

And don't forget Michkov had 4 illnesses during the season. Four! Which means he played a lot of games being far from his optimal conditions.

And then again, we compare Michkov to one of the best Russian players ever. I'm pretty sure if he turns out to be almost as good as Malkin, the Flyers fans won't be too upset...

 

[Deadpool8812]

Bit of a threadjack...

My view was that he was on Bedard's level. Still is. BUT I wouldn't draft him that high because, as a GM, I'd have no control over where he goes or how he develops. I draft him, my team probably sucks because I'm drafting 1st or 2nd and I may be fired before he ever suits up.

So my question is for Flyer's fans...

Are you happy with how he is being developed in the KHL?

Are you happy to wait two more years till he arrives?

That's all.

Yes.

 

[Czechboy]

Thanks to the Flyer fans for answering my question.. seems unaminous that everyone is happy with how it is going.

 

[kp61c]

inability to defend, small stature and the sense of self-entitlement more often than not make him a non-factor on ice. also since covid year he is regularly sick with something. that's a bit worrying. but he's only 19 and almost a ppg player which is impressive. all in all the season is almost over and the same question marks still floating around him, the next two in the khl will be telling. controversial player if i've ever seen one.

 

[the paisanos guy]

hockeydb has his weight listed as 147 lbs, there's no way that's correct right?

 

[Kshahdoo]

He needs to score 5 points in 7 games to beat Kuznetsov's 41 points in 49 games and set the KHL U20 scoring record.

 

[Deadpool8812]

inability to defend, small stature and the sense of self-entitlement more often than not make him a non-factor on ice. also since covid year he is regularly sick with something. that's a bit worrying. but he's only 19 and almost a ppg player which is impressive. all in all the season is almost over and the same question marks still floating around him, the next two in the khl will be telling. controversial player if i've ever seen one.

We get it, you don't like him

 

[Alex K]

hockeydb has his weight listed as 147 lbs, there's no way that's correct right?

I'm sure it's outdated info. He looks pretty stong this season. Actually he reminds the young Crosby a bit when protecting the puck behind the net

 

[Garl]

Right, but it does matter - doesn't it? Why would you compare D+2 year to a D+1 year? In fact why stop there; let's compare Malkin's D+2 year to Michkov's D-1 year. Wow Malkin crushed him!

Also did Malkin play C in the KHL?

I wasnt the one who made the original post. And the guy wrote best U20 season, plain and simple.

Besides, why we cant compare players of the same age just because of some arbitrary 15 September line drawn by NHL?

 

[MNRube]

inability to defend, small stature and the sense of self-entitlement more often than not make him a non-factor on ice. also since covid year he is regularly sick with something. that's a bit worrying. but he's only 19 and almost a ppg player which is impressive. all in all the season is almost over and the same question marks still floating around him, the next two in the khl will be telling. controversial player if i've ever seen one.

Reads a lot like someone with an agenda trying to come across as subjective

 

[Kshahdoo]

hockeydb has his weight listed as 147 lbs, there's no way that's correct right?

He's 80 kg on the KHL site. As far as I understand 80kg is 176 lbs.

 

[Alex K]

hockeydb has his weight listed as 147 lbs, there's no way that's correct right?

According to KHL website he's 80 kg (176 lb)

 

[Garl]

He still leads all time U20 players of the KHL by PPG being 3 weeks from being U19 player...

And as to Malkin, you love to say how weak current KHL is, then look at the RSL back then, and you'll see what a weak league actually looked like.

And don't forget Michkov had 4 illnesses during the season. Four! Which means he played a lot of games being far from his optimal conditions.

And then again, we compare Michkov to one of the best Russian players ever. I'm pretty sure if he turns out to be almost as good as Malkin, the Flyers fans won't be too upset...

RSL in 2005-06 was better than KHL now. Bulk of the league was USSR born and raised players, league was smaller and scoring was way harder, look at the stats. And also, take a look at rosters, you will see the quality

Now, this was just a note, I was not willing to compare Michkov to Malkin or belittle his season based on its inferiority to what Malkin did in 2006.

Technically, Michkov at the moment(season is not yet over) has the highest PPG for a J20 player in KHL history.

However, there is no such thing as an objective fact in real life.

This particular fact can be misleading the reader, because it is not noted that this fact only applies to KHL, which started in 2008-09 season and doesnt cover previous RSL. Many people will read KHL and assume Russia in general.

I think it is also important to take a note, that Michkov's competition are Kuznetsov, Filatov, Cherepanov, Yakupov and Kaprizov, whom he leads by a tiny advantage.

That is all.

 

[Kshahdoo]

RSL in 2005-06 was better than KHL now. Bulk of the league was USSR born and raised players, league was smaller and scoring was way harder, look at the stats. And also, take a look at rosters, you will see the quality

Now, this was just a note, I was not willing to compare Michkov to Malkin or belittle his season based on its inferiority to what Malkin did in 2006.

Technically, Michkov at the moment(season is not yet over) has the highest PPG for a J20 player in KHL history.

However, there is no such thing as an objective fact in real life.

This particular fact can be misleading the reader, because it is not noted that this fact only applies to KHL, which started in 2008-09 season and doesnt cover previous RSL. Many people will read KHL and assume Russia in general.

I think it is also important to take a note, that Michkov's competition are Kuznetsov, Filatov, Cherepanov, Yakupov and Kaprizov, whom he leads by a tiny advantage.

That is all.

You're wrong again. Most of the players in 2005-06 years were developing during 90s when Soviet player developing system was already broken and new Russian system wasn't built yet, it becomes obvious when you check Russian junior teams results back then. Look at the names, when this dude was the 4th best scorer in the league, what other facts you need? Andrei Sidyakin at eliteprospects.com

Or this Dmitri Vlasenkov at eliteprospects.com

Or this Anton But at eliteprospects.com

And they were top players of the league during that season.

And why do you name Yakupov and Filatov, but don't mention Panarin, Buchnevich, Tarasenko?

 

[Garl]

You're wrong again. Most of the players in 2005-06 years were developing during 90s when Soviet player developing system was broken and new Russians system wasn't build yet, it becomes obvious when you check Russian junior teams results back then. Look at the names, when this dude was the 4th best scorer in the league, what other facts you need? Andrei Sidyakin at eliteprospects.com

Or this Dmitri Vlasenkov at eliteprospects.com

Or this Anton But at eliteprospects.com

And they were top players of the league during that season.

And why do you name Yakupov and Filatov, but don't mention Panarin, Buchnevich, Tarasenko?

Which juniors? Lets take 10 years from 1974 birth year to 1983. 10 years, 9 medals, 3 Gold, 3 Silver, 3 Bronze.

U18s only started in 1999, before 2005 Russia grabbed 2 golds, 2 silvers and 1 bronze out of 6 medals possible.

Also, what exactly happened in the 90s? All the coaches suddenly retired unable to continue without the beloved Party?

Cherry picking will not help.
TOP 10 in 2005

1.Mozyakin
2.Morozov
3.Malkin
4.Sidyakin
5.Zaripov
6.Nurtdinov
7.But
8.Vlasenkov
9.Zinoviev
10.Belkin

2024
1.Gusev
2.Boucher
3.Goldobin
4.Weal
5.Tkachyov
6.Pilipenko
7.Spooner
8.Chemelvski
9.Poryadin
10.Nikishin

I Have it 6-4 in 2006 favor.


I dont mention Panarin and Tarasenko, because they are not close to PPG of Michkov, Kuznetsov or yes, Yakupov

 

[ItWasJustified]

Excited to see what he does in the nhl, I don’t know if you can really compare his stats to legends of the past in the khl because from my understanding the league has had a significant dip in talent the past few years but he passes the eye test and then some

That goes both ways though. The more talent you have in the league the higher the chance that some of that talent is on your team to help you, and the other way around.

 

[FlyguyOX]

inability to defend, small stature and the sense of self-entitlement more often than not make him a non-factor on ice. also since covid year he is regularly sick with something. that's a bit worrying. but he's only 19 and almost a ppg player which is impressive. all in all the season is almost over and the same question marks still floating around him, the next two in the khl will be telling. controversial player if i've ever seen one.

If he’s currently a non-factor to you then he should be best in the world when he is a factor

 

[Redpath]

Is there any KHL precedent of a loaned player returning to his original club for the playoffs? Any chance we see so with Michkov?

 

[vorky]

Is there any KHL precedent of a loaned player returning to his original club for the playoffs? Any chance we see so with Michkov?

Not possible in this TIME. The KHL Trade Deadline was 27 December. Michkov will join SKA after season is finished.

 

[Kshahdoo]