RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[Guadana]

...what? I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. We were talking about Lindros and Jagr.

Nope. we are talking about Michkov and Fox was your example. Jagr wanted to play for Pens, but teams could have find some arguments with time. And ask something interesting from pens.
And if you want to say that Jagr couldnt be that level of stupid decision in the draft day because he wanted to play for pens only, then okay, I can agree with you here. Not drafting Michkov was the stupidest decision in history. Team, that drafted him, could have any time in the world to ask everything they wanted. Look at him now - he is 1 ppg player in KHL as 18 yo player. His price is much higher now than what SJ, Mtl and Coyotes got from the draft.

 

[NJ DevLolz]

Love Kucherov, but Michkov has the potential to be better and more consistently dominant.

There is such a small chance of this happening. You could make an argument Kucherov was the best forward in the league for a 2-3 year span. You really think he has a chance to be better McDavid, Matthews, Drai, and later Hughes, Stutzle, and Bedard? I mean, there’s a chance, but not likely.

 

[Guadana]

There is such a small chance of this happening. You could make an argument Kucherov was the best forward in the league for a 2-3 year span. You really think he has a chance to be better McDavid, Matthews, Drai, and later Hughes, Stutzle, and Bedard? I mean, there’s a chance, but not likely.

If he was healthier - Kucherov would be better than majority of top players, but he wasn’t. If we talk about Michkov - its not that unreal. Again if we talk about majority of this players. The problem of Michkov(sorry, flyers fans) that he has no potential Drai/Hopkins, Hischier/Hamilton/Hughes/Nemec, Marner/Tavares/Nylander for now. I like Gauthier, he was my top five player of the draft way before the draft, but it’s still to early to pencil him as potential ppg+ player.

 

[Fantomas]

You could make an argument Kucherov was the best forward in the league for a 2-3 year span.

Not really.

You really think he has a chance to be better McDavid, Matthews, Drai, and later Hughes, Stutzle, and Bedard?

Oh the great Bedard. We're not worthy.

 

[Musampa]

Kucherov is such a special player. Everyone should be happy if Michkov reaches Panarin level.

 

[SomeDude]

If he was healthier - Kucherov would be better than majority of top players, but he wasn’t. If we talk about Michkov - its not that unreal. Again if we talk about majority of this players. The problem of Michkov(sorry, flyers fans) that he has no potential Drai/Hopkins, Hischier/Hamilton/Hughes/Nemec, Marner/Tavares/Nylander for now. I like Gauthier, he was my top five player of the draft way before the draft, but it’s still to early to pencil him as potential ppg+ player.

Flyers likely have a few years of lottery picks coming. By the time Michkov gets there, who knows what players he'll be surrounded with.

 

[Guadana]

Flyers likely have a few years of lottery picks coming. By the time Michkov gets there, who knows what players he'll be surrounded with.

Of course. When they will have more high drafted players, we will talk and compare this part of conversation.
Star players play better with better players. I believe Kaprisov could produce much more, Hauberdau was a shadow of himself after leaving Florida? Gaudreau? Not as good without his buddies from Calgary. Tkachuk with Barkov was quite good.
So Michkov should have better players around him if we are asking for more. Because Kucherov and Mcdavid are playing with very good players. It doesn’t make them worser players, it helps them to produce more.
Same case with Bedard. But Reichel, Nazar and Korchinski is pretty good environment on paper. May be not Draisaitle or Hischier or Barkov or Stamkos, but still good.

 

[ozzie]

I get people are excited and hyped for this kid. But lets give Kucherov some respect at how great he is/was. Kucherov also put time in the QMJHL and AHL before making it to the NHL. It then took him severeal seasons to aclimate. This can't go understated.

This is as bad as putting Bedard even close McDavid, based on nothing burgers.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Death, taxes, and Fantomas overrating Russian prospects. What a shocker.

He doesn’t usually do so. I find him very fair, and not overly partisan.

 

[NatusVincere]

Michkov outscored Kuch on every level he played so far. Yeah, development is not linear… but so far there is nothing to suggest that Michkov won't continue to be the better player compared to Kucherov. And if Michkov is only a Panarin at the end of the day, it will be for sure a disappointment for Russian hockey fans. Yurov and/or Buchelnikov are the next Panarins. Michkov is clearly Russias next superstar a la Ovechkin (not saying he will be as good as Ovi at the end) - a multiple Hart contender.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Kucherov is such a special player. Everyone should be happy if Michkov reaches Panarin level.

Yeah, and Michkov is a dime a dozen...

The kid is just 18, and he looks like a star in the KHL. Try to find some of "wow, he's so young, what a pleasant surprise" words in the thread. They are all gone long ago. Now people are disappointed that Matvei could easily score 6 points in the last 3 games but scored just 2...

 

[ello]

Michkov outscored Kuch on every level he played so far. Yeah, development is not linear… but so far there is nothing to suggest that Michkov won't continue to be the better player compared to Kucherov. And if Michkov is only a Panarin at the end of the day, it will be for sure a disappointment for Russian hockey fans. Yurov and/or Buchelnikov are the next Panarins. Michkov is clearly Russias next superstar a la Ovechkin (not saying he will be as good as Ovi at the end) - a multiple Hart contender.

When we say development isn’t linear it doesn’t mean that Michkov is going to plateau.

It means that Kucherovs development wasn’t linear and that he exceeds expectations by leaps and bounds so comparing to Kucherovs production at a similar age isn’t super useful (Tarasenko, Kuznetsov also were far ahead of Kucherov at the same age, no?)

 

[Kshahdoo]

When we say development isn’t linear it doesn’t mean that Michkov is going to plateau.

It means that Kucherovs development wasn’t linear and that he exceeds expectations by leaps and bounds so comparing to Kucherovs production at a similar age isn’t super useful (Tarasenko, Kuznetsov also were far ahead of Kucherov at the same age, no?)

Were they ahead of Kucherov or not, can be discussed, but you can't discuss that Michkov is ahead of them all. I mean ahead of Kuznetsov, who had 33 point playoff run, ahead of Tarasenko, who had a couple of 40 goal seasons (ok, 40 and 39 goal seasons, and could have had more, if not health problems), and ahead of Kucherov. Too many good and great players he's ahead of. Actually he's ahead of all of them. Starting from guys like Makarov and Krutov and finishing by someone like Kaprizov.

Btw Panarin could have had 2-3 100-point seasons already, if not some bad luck...

 

[NJ DevLolz]

Not really.



Oh the great Bedard. We're not worthy.

From 2017-2019, you could 100% make the argument Kucherov was the best player in the league. Back to back 100 point seasons, Hart, Art Ross (outscored McDavid by 12 points), 2x 1st Team Allstar, 3rd in scoring ('17-'18). I mean, McDavid was probably better, but I think it was close, and the odds of Michkov reaching that kind of peak is so unlikely. And I think he's gonna be an easy ppg guy so I'm not being a hater. People are just unrealistic.

 

[DingerMcSlapshot]

Pretty sweet hockey player.

 

[bert]

I don’t know about greatest draft steal of all time. Kucherov was a late second rounder. Not saying Michkov won’t be incredible, but how much higher is his potential than Kucherov?

It's not as high that's the thing. Kucherov is one of the most underrated players ever. If michkov is Even close at all that will be shocking. No slight to michkov but kucherov is one of a kind.

 

[bert]

Love Kucherov, but Michkov has the potential to be better and more consistently dominant.

Probably not no. The likelihood he is a better player is very very very low. On top of being elite Kucherov has a track record of being clutch and winning championships. Even if michkov leads the NHL in scoring and wins a Hart trophy will he be able to sustain and elevate in the playoffs? That's what makes kucherov so special. Development is not linear.

 

[bert]

Michkov outscored Kuch on every level he played so far. Yeah, development is not linear… but so far there is nothing to suggest that Michkov won't continue to be the better player compared to Kucherov. And if Michkov is only a Panarin at the end of the day, it will be for sure a disappointment for Russian hockey fans. Yurov and/or Buchelnikov are the next Panarins. Michkov is clearly Russias next superstar a la Ovechkin (not saying he will be as good as Ovi at the end) - a multiple Hart contender.

There is plenty to suggest michkov won't be as good as Kucherov simply because he is literally debatably the best Russian player to ever play in the NHL after Ovechkin. He also has a better playoff resume than Ovechkn. Kucherov is by far the concensus number 1 from his draft year in a redraft. Will Michkov be in the debate as the best Russian player of all time? I'd be surprised. Expecting all of these Russians to be the next panarin and better than Kucherov is outrageously ambitious. Obviously many NHL teams don't see this potential or all of these players get picked way higher.

 

[CTHabsfan]

Michkov outscored Kuch on every level he played so far. Yeah, development is not linear… but so far there is nothing to suggest that Michkov won't continue to be the better player compared to Kucherov. And if Michkov is only a Panarin at the end of the day, it will be for sure a disappointment for Russian hockey fans. Yurov and/or Buchelnikov are the next Panarins. Michkov is clearly Russias next superstar a la Ovechkin (not saying he will be as good as Ovi at the end) - a multiple Hart contender.

David Reinbacher had 22 points in 46 games as an 18-year-old in a men’s league. Roman Josi had eight points in 35 games in his draft year while playing in the same league. I guess Reinbacher is pretty much guaranteed to be the next Bobby Orr!

 

[Kshahdoo]

David Reinbacher had 22 points in 46 games as an 18-year-old in a men’s league. Roman Josi had eight points in 35 games in his draft year while playing in the same league. I guess Reinbacher is pretty much guaranteed to be the next Bobby Orr!

Has Reinbacher set a single record in the Swiss league? International tournaments?

There is plenty to suggest michkov won't be as good as Kucherov simply because he is literally debatably the best Russian player to ever play in the NHL after Ovechkin. He also has a better playoff resume than Ovechkn. Kucherov is by far the concensus number 1 from his draft year in a redraft. Will Michkov be in the debate as the best Russian player of all time? I'd be surprised. Expecting all of these Russians to be the next panarin and better than Kucherov is outrageously ambitious. Obviously many NHL teams don't see this potential or all of these players get picked way higher.

And Michkov is literally debatably the best Soviet/Russian young player ever...

 

[bert]

Has Reinbacher set a single record in the Swiss league? International tournaments?



And Michkov is literally debatably the best Soviet/Russian young player ever...

But dropped to 7th in the NHL draft. Couldn't get icetime on a solid KHL team and was loaned away for nothing. Hard to imagine.

I like the talent but if he is Kucherov or there was any inkling that he would be remotely close to as good he simply doesn't drop that far.

 

[Kshahdoo]

But dropped to 7th in the NHL draft. Couldn't get icetime on a solid KHL team and was loaned away for nothing. Hard to imagine.

Yeah, and PPG+ on the KHL team.

As to draft, you should be ashamed for using such arguments...

 

[Garl]

Has Reinbacher set a single record in the Swiss league? International tournaments?



And Michkov is literally debatably the best Soviet/Russian young player ever...

1.He actually did. Has the Draft year record for defensemen
2. VERY debatable lol

 

[Kshahdoo]

1.He actually did. Has the Draft year record for defensemen
2. VERY debatable lol

It's facts, nothing to debate.

 

[bert]

Yeah, and PPG+ on the KHL team.

As to draft, you should be ashamed for using such arguments...

Ashamed? Maybe you need to look up what that means.