RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

Cooley was very clearly the best player available in 2022. At least Montreal wasn't the only team who passed on Michkov. At least that's what I tell myself if I were a habs fan.

You say that but the vast majority of people thought Wright was the best player until the very end

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

You say that but the vast majority of people thought Wright was the best player until the very end

That doesn't make it any less obvious. Anyone who thought Wright was the best player in that draft deservedly lost credibility. Either they weren't watching him play or they don't know how to evaluate prospects.

 

[LeProspector]

That doesn't make it any less obvious. Anyone who thought Wright was the best player in that draft deservedly lost credibility. Either they weren't watching him play or they don't know how to evaluate prospects.

I feel like there wern’t many who actually thought Cooley was #1 lmao

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I feel like there wern’t many who actually thought Cooley was #1 lmao

And it's obvious how wrong they were. I don't have a good explanation for why so many people could have possibly had Wright or Slafkovsky over Cooley, it never made sense to me. I don't see how anyone could have watched these guys and come away with the idea that either of those guys was anywhere near Cooley.

 

[LeProspector]

And it's obvious how wrong they were. I don't have a good explanation for why so many people could have possibly had Wright or Slafkovsky over Cooley, it never made sense to me. I don't see how anyone could have watched these guys and come away with the idea that either of those guys was anywhere near Cooley.

People don’t actually watch the players and get caught up in narratives, stats and other peoples opinions.

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

And it's obvious how wrong they were. I don't have a good explanation for why so many people could have possibly had Wright or Slafkovsky over Cooley, it never made sense to me. I don't see how anyone could have watched these guys and come away with the idea that either of those guys was anywhere near Cooley.

Cooley's 75 pts was not exactly #1 stuff. It was pretty close between Slaf, Nemec, Cooley tbh.. with the information available at the time

Ryan Leonard outscored 75 by a good amount with 94 and a good number of people didn't even have him in their top 20

 

[Kennerback]

That doesn't make it any less obvious. Anyone who thought Wright was the best player in that draft deservedly lost credibility. Either they weren't watching him play or they don't know how to evaluate prospects.

The reason that I‘m sure Bedard will pull off being a 5’10 Center in the NHL is his generational skills. Cooley is not Bedard. Give me part of an NHL season with Cooley before I close the books.

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

I feel like there wern’t many who actually thought Cooley was #1 lmao

Correct, it was a pretty small minority who thought this. I mean, congratulations to them, but it wasn't clear at the time

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Cooley's 75 pts was not exactly #1 stuff. It was pretty close between Slaf, Nemec, Cooley tbh.. with the information available at the time

Ryan Leonard outscored 75 by a good amount with 94 and a good number of people didn't even have him in their top 20

That's what stat watching gets you.

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

That's what stat watching gets you.

yeah but at the same time Slafkovky's WC was extraordinary. He doesn't look like the same player. Anyways you can't really argue with the fact that Cooley #1 was a pretty small minority. Talking about it like it was a clear decision on the day of the draft isn't honest

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

It all depends on what teams you watch. Torpedo and Sochi are real speedsters so the game was very fast. Some teams play way slower and more defensive hockey. And overall KHL isn't even close to NHL in physical aspect.

Personally I want to see passing and Skill more than the Physical part which the KHL doesn't lack but at least the players don't try to kill one another like the NHL did for over a 100 years

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Cooley was very clearly the best player available in 2022. At least Montreal wasn't the only team who passed on Michkov. At least that's what I tell myself if I were a habs fan.

I had Nemec at 1 with Cooley 2. Slaf towards the bottom half of the top 10 just before Hutson at 10

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

It’s the only thing I’m holding up for. That draft team has blown at least 2 out of 4 of their top-5 picks in NY\Mtl, probably 3 because I can’t fathom how Reinbacher will bridge the value gap with Michkov. I’m hoping against all hope that Slafkovsky is the one that works.

I like Slafkovsky's game , I just think there was some special forwards in last year's draft that weren't there in the slaf draft so it stings

 

[CTHabsfan]

Slafkovsky, Cooley, Wright? I thought this was a thread about Matvei Miichkov! I must have clicked on the wrong link.

 

[FinlandPanther]

This guy dropping to 7 was a crime

 

[Redpath]

I've made this point on the Flyers board already, but if Michkov/his linemates can just start finishing on even 10% more of these plays, his already PPG production is going to skyrocket. There are seemingly 3-5 of these high quality chances every single game, outside of the plays where he is scoring.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Should have gone 2nd overall. Insanity. could go down as the greatest draft steal of all time.

 

[Dingo]

Babcock vs Rotenburg for Biggest Dummy Award in hockey, please.

 

[I am Bettman]

Should have gone 2nd overall. Insanity. could go down as the greatest draft steal of all time.

I don’t know about greatest draft steal of all time. Kucherov was a late second rounder. Not saying Michkov won’t be incredible, but how much higher is his potential than Kucherov?

 

[Guadana]

Should have gone 2nd overall. Insanity. could go down as the greatest draft steal of all time.

Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lundqvist were drafted really lately. it’s not about greatest draft steal, it’s about the most stupid decision on the draft day in the history. Like in the draft day of Jagr.

 

[golgoXIII]

Should have gone 2nd overall. Insanity. could go down as the greatest draft steal of all time.

hope he will be able to catch the top 3 KHL pts leader super star Goldobin Gusev and Riley Barber .. slow down boys KHL is worst than AHL so keep it real

 

[Caser]

hope he will be able to catch the top 3 KHL pts leader super star Goldobin Gusev and Riley Barber .. slow down boys KHL is worst than AHL so keep it real

The same AHL where last season's top scorers were such top talents as Michael Carcone, Alex Barre-Boulet, T.J. Tynan, Chris Terry, Matthew Phillips and Rocco Grimaldi? Ok lol.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

I've made this point on the Flyers board already, but if Michkov/his linemates can just start finishing on even 10% more of these plays, his already PPG production is going to skyrocket. There are seemingly 3-5 of these high quality chances every single game, outside of the plays where he is scoring.

Can't wait till it's Cutter Gauthier on the end of these setups instead of Tyanullin...

 

[Fantomas]

I don’t know about greatest draft steal of all time. Kucherov was a late second rounder. Not saying Michkov won’t be incredible, but how much higher is his potential than Kucherov?

Well, let's see. Kucherov was still in the MHL in his D+1 year.

So yeah. Much higher.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

That's what stat watching gets you.

I don't know about you but I'm still waiting for Greg Hawgood to become Bobby Orr because LOOK AT THEM JUNIOR STATS DOGGY