RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[NatusVincere]

My interpetation of the nasty comments from teammates/scouts that we heard last year was that Michkov didn't keep quiet. That he vocally reacted to not getting ice time last year. And another interpretation could be that he's still getting punished for it now.

Quiet in terms of public statements. Michkov didn’t said one bad word about Rotenberg or SKA. This other story about someone called him a piece of shit, is just a unproven rumor. On the other side we have many official statements from former coaches and teammates who only speaks in best terms about Michkov.

 

[Zine]

The only proper and legal way to not serve a year from 18 to 30 is to have some health problems, which is obviously not applicable to one of the best athletes in the country. Most of the other players just bribed their way out of it or "enrolled" in some university but they never visit classes. However, the is no legal way to be in university for 12 years in Russia and not lose your military protection.
Esmantovich just made an example out of Fedotov

lol There are plenty of ways. Go to school then start a familiy and have some kids. There's like a gazillion dudes not serving; its not only hockey players.

Russia is no different than other places in that the poor and working class primarily get conscripted. Even then only a small % of those reserves eventually get sent to war.

Yes Esmantovich made an example of Fedotov. But Fedotov mustve angered him something fierce beyond just leaving CSKA. But Fedotov was still an idiot to not getting his own deferment.
Fedotov was taking advantage of the system, then got played by it.
But this has nothing to do with Michkov, so I'm done.

 

[Zine]

My interpetation of the nasty comments from teammates/scouts that we heard last year was that Michkov didn't keep quiet. That he vocally reacted to not getting ice time last year. And another interpretation could be that he's still getting punished for it now.

Yes, Michkov's Sochi teammates DID need to "put him in line".
But it was because Michkov couldn't stand losing as much as Sochi did. He started making speeches in the lockerrom like he was captain or a 10 year vet.
But his teammates still respected him greatly because his frustration came from wanting to win. They knew he cared 110%. They understood he was a young kid who needed a little guidance in directing his frustration in the right direction.
Zavgorodny told of this.


So, no. Your interpretation sucks.

 

[tnfrs]

i think we all just gotta ride out the years, if he trains as hard as he plays he'll be ready when he gets his ice time. michkov will come over eventually but philly should treat the next three years as if theres no michkov coming. tank a couple years and draft some studs to rebuild around while this michkov situation settles down. SKA plays tomorrow, maybe he plays theyll post the lineup on twitter sometime.

 

[majormajor]

Yes, Michkov's Sochi teammates DID need to "put him in line".
But it was because Michkov couldn't stand losing as much as Sochi did. He started making speeches in the lockerrom like he was captain or a 10 year vet.
But his teammates still respected him greatly because his frustration came from wanting to win. They knew he cared 100%. It had nothing to do with playing time.
They understood he was a young kid who needed a little guidance in directing his frustration in the right direction.
Zavgorodny told of this.


So, no, your interpretation is horrible.

I personally would have no problem with it if Michkov complains about not getting ice time. He should!

I don't know why you think it is a bad thing. It feels like you're in a cult about Michkov or something, it's getting creepy around here.

 

[Zine]

I personally would have no problem with it if Michkov complains about not getting ice time. He should!

I don't know why you think it is a bad thing. It feels like you're in a cult about Michkov or something, it's getting creepy around here.

Complaining about ice time can be good or bad depending on the situation. But that's beyond the point.
The point is to deal with facts. Claiming or insinuating Michkov was whining about ice time just isn't rooted in fact.

But hey, if getting to the truth of the matter is creepy for you.. well, have a blast being creeped out!!

 

[majormajor]

Complaining about ice time can be good or bad depending on the situation. But that's beyond the point.
The point is to deal with facts. Claiming or insinuating Michkov was whining about ice time just isn't rooted in fact.

But hey, if getting to the truth of the matter is creepy for you.. well, have a blast being creeped out!!

We're both interpreting events without knowing what was said in private, and you're insisting the hagiographic version of events is "the facts". It's not credible.

 

[Zine]

We're both interpreting events without knowing what was said in private, and you're insisting the hagiographic version of events is "the facts". It's not credible.

Ah, the time tested 'said in private' argument.

My interpretation is based on valid and verifiable info. Yours is a guess predicated on hearsay.


BTW, did you know Simashev is actually a woman!!! You realize everybody is interpreting events without knowing what teammates, the NHL, KHL are really saying and seeing of him in private!
Prove me wrong!

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

Unfortunately it’s more than that. Rotenberg did the same with Michkov with the U25 against Belarus at the end of last season. Some games he was the 13th forward, some games he was benched half the time. That’s the main reason for only 3 points in 9 games.

And now he looked like SKAs best player in the first pre season tournament playing a new position being only 18 years old. And after the first mistake he was benched again…

I think it's important to note that Michkov was immediately the 13th forward for the very 1st game of the Puchkov tournament. He got no time in the first period of that tournament until he got one shift and scored.

But my point is that, coming off of the Sochi Hockey Open, it's very .. very hard to imagine that Rotenberg could've been unhappy with him. So why would Michkov start the Puchkov tournament on the bench?

It seems to suggest that Rotenberg was already done evaluating Michkov after the Sochi Open. I'd like to think what's happening right now is all just show and posturing to get Michkov to be even hungrier to succeed

But also maybe Rotenberg just hates his guts lmao

 

[majormajor]

Ah, the time tested 'said in private' argument.

My interpretation is based on valid and verifiable info. Yours is a guess predicated on hearsay.


BTW, did you know Simashev is actually a woman!!! You realize everybody is interpreting events without knowing what teammates, the NHL, KHL are really saying and seeing of him in private!
Prove me wrong!

We're speculating over what was said in private, it's the beginning point to our conversation. It's difficult to do that without speculating what was said in private..

As for the Simashev as a women thing, I think that's a bit more far fetched than Michkov complaining about his ice time.

 

[Zine]

We're speculating over what was said in private, it's the beginning point to our conversation. It's difficult to do that without speculating what was said in private..

As for the Simashev as a women thing, I think that's a bit more far fetched than Michkov complaining about his ice time.

Incorrect. You have no knowledge that anything was said in private. Your speculating about speculation. It's at this point it all becomes ridiculous.......very much to the level of Simashev being a woman, or aliens from planet X landing at center ice during a Bruins practice.
Verifiable facts matter.

 

[Kcoyote3]

i think we all just gotta ride out the years, if he trains as hard as he plays he'll be ready when he gets his ice time. michkov will come over eventually but philly should treat the next three years as if theres no michkov coming. tank a couple years and draft some studs to rebuild around while this michkov situation settles down. SKA plays tomorrow, maybe he plays theyll post the lineup on twitter sometime.

dont tell me how to live my life ever again

 

[Bounces R Way]

As much as people loved those 24/7 NHL series I think a well done KHL doc would be way more interesting.

 

[tnfrs]

no michkov again

 

[Garl]

Hmm, not good, Lada was a ln easy game, to boost Michkovs confidence

 

[Parliament]

Interesting start of the year for Michkov... is Gritsyuk injured or something?

 

[tnfrs]

Interesting start of the year for Michkov... is Gritsyuk injured or something?

ya he got injured in the preseason

 

[FriarChill]

Damn, that's disappointing. Interested in Sergei Ivanovs season debut though.

 

[kp61c]

dumb not to send him down.

 

[ValeriKamensky]

Your face when you’re starting realize something

 

[Garl]

Biggest question is why Rotenberg and SKA even bought Michkov from Loko? I mean, Loko is also a bad place for a young forward but still, Michkov would have been a roster player there last year. Yes, he wouldn't have had the "best season evar!", and no chance to rack up points on amateur goalie there but at least would have been developing on a decent team in KHL
Rotenberg doesn't know what to do with him.

Sending him down is dumb, a prospect of his pedigree should be playing regular minutes in KHL in his d+1 season

 

[tnfrs]

Biggest question is why Rotenberg and SKA even bought Michkov from Loko? I mean, Loko is also a bad place for a young forward but still, Michkov would have been a roster player there last year. Yes, he wouldn't have had the "best season evar!", and no chance to rack up points on amateur goalie there but at least would have been developing on a decent team in KHL
Rotenberg doesn't know what to do with him.

Sending him down is dumb, a prospect of his pedigree should be playing regular minutes in KHL in his d+1 season

its definitely a backwards way to develop a prospect, especially when youre playing an even younger prospect in michkov's place. so its either really tough love, or something personal, or something else. best scenario rotenberg is just giving demidov some time first, worst case scenario is theyre going to use michkov as an example and sacrifice his development to send all the other russian players a message about getting too excited for north america. triple worst case scenario theyre keeping him out of the lineup so they can later say he didnt fulfil his military obligations.

 

[Hanji]

its definitely a backwards way to develop a prospect, especially when youre playing an even younger prospect in michkov's place. so its either really tough love, or something personal, or something else. best scenario rotenberg is just giving demidov some time first, worst case scenario is theyre going to use michkov as an example and sacrifice his development to send all the other russian players a message about getting too excited for north america. triple worst case scenario theyre keeping him out of the lineup so they can later say he didnt fulfil his military obligations.

Everything needn't take the Russia hates North America slant. Also how does keeping him out of the lineup make him not fulfill his military obligations? That makes no sense.

I know these conspiracy theories are everybody’s easy go-to to explain why their favorite prospect isnt playing, but rarely is that the case. Good example is Michkov’s teammate Nikishin. Everybody knows he’s coming to the NHL when his contract is up yet SKA plays him a boatload of minutes.

 

[Dingo]

Garl is actually making good points, and is arguing in better faith and with less emotion than at least a couple of guys going at him.

That said, I think he is mostly wrong about Michkov, but lemme check....

@Garl - what type of future do you think Michkov eventually has in the NHL? Can you make a bold guess at his ceiling for me?

 

[tnfrs]

Everything needn't take the Russia hates North America slant. Also how does keeping him out of the lineup make him not fulfill his military obligations? That makes no sense.

I know these conspiracy theories are everybody’s easy go-to to explain why their favorite prospects isnt playing, but rarely is that the case.
Good example is Michkov’s teammate Nikishin. Everybody knows he’s coming to the NHL when his contract is up and SKA plays him a boatload of minutes.

im just speculating, and im gonna do it again probably