RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[tnfrs]

I agree on bottoming out for sure, but Rotenberg's decisions to me have no implications regarding Michkov's talent. SKA clearly have their heads up their arses right now

im hoping theres a point that comes this season where michkov plays so well its impossible to keep him out of the lineup, hes still 18 so even just training with a professional team is good for his development, itll be better once hes playing regular minutes. what a bummer day lol i was so pumped the KHL season was starting like 6 weeks earlier than the NHL but now I already cant wait for this shit to be over

 

[Kcoyote3]

im hoping theres a point that comes this season where michkov plays so well its impossible to keep him out of the lineup, hes still 18 so even just training with a professional team is good for his development, itll be better once hes playing regular minutes. what a bummer day lol i was so pumped the KHL season was starting like 6 weeks earlier than the NHL but now I already cant wait for this shit to be over

Try not to get so caught up in Michkov's development. He's a great talent, and talent often wins out in the end. All the rest is just smoke and mirrors.

 

[tnfrs]

Try not to get so caught up in Michkov's development. He's a great talent, and talent often wins out in the end. All the rest is just smoke and mirrors.

dont tell me how to live my life ever again

 

[Kcoyote3]

dont tell me how to live my life ever again

Sounds good

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

I'd love to tell myself it's just standard for SKA to put the young ones through the wringer.. but Demidov got 9 minutes in Michkov's place. It doesn't look good. He's going to have to go insane on the ice to win Rotenberg over. If it's even possible. And getting 5 minutes TOI, to an extent you have to get lucky to win a coach over no matter how talented you are

 

[Random Comment]

dont tell me how to live my life ever again

Don’t get caught up tho. Ur all caught up in it right now.

 

[tnfrs]

Don’t get caught up tho. Ur all caught up in it right now.

that was a joke, this is a message board for talking about hockey nobodys caught up in anything

 

[Random Comment]

that was a joke, this is a message board for talking about hockey nobodys caught up in anything

Don’t tell me what a joke is or not ever again. Ur too caught up in thinking I thought you were serious.

 

[Vasilevskiy]

SKA doing SKA things again. Flyers should pay Michkov under the table to buy himself out of that contract

 

[Garl]

All of your pain and frustration is a result of unrealistic expectations which you yourself created based on false narratives and delusions.

Its astonishing how stupid the decision making can be from coaching staff at SKA. Even with Kirill Marchenko who proved time and time again that he was more than good enough to be a top 6 regular on that team he was always getting scratched or sent to the VHL for lesser KHL players on the roster. Made me pull my hair out at times.

Marchenko is a personal case. Conflict

 

[BMann]

Rotenberg and his father are a cancer for Russian hockey. Only there because they are chums with the big boss. Rotenberg was such a success coaching the Russian teams this summer. Totally incompetent.

"Prodigies"

You're incredibly boring and biased. Why you feel the need to comment in this thread all the time is for one reason only. Your Russophobia.

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

It's very possible RR is trying to motivate (kind of haze) Michkov as much as he can. I got the sense he was done evaluating Michkov after the early Aug Sochi games. Michkov was immediately the 13th fwd in 1st game of the Puchkov tournament. Way before that one single turnover was made. Remember how strong Michkov was early Aug in the Sochi open? It's absurd if RR was unhappy with 39 in those games. If RR was still evaluating him, Michkov would NOT start as the 13th forward on Aug 22, the first game of the Puchkov event. He would start on a normal line with Demidov or someone else. This was the game 39 got one shift in the 1st period and scored. I now think it's actually likely Demidov got the 1st look as the only u20 player on the roster *because* he's more likely to be the one who eventually gets sent elsewhere. This way motivates Michkov as much as possible and ensures Demidov gets a look. RR might rotate the 2 for a few weeks then cut Demidov. Think aboutt it.. if you heard in July that Demidov would take Michkov's KHL spot and force him off of the team, you'd think it was absolutely batshit crazy (except for Garl). Roman is probably just f ucking with Michkov a bit right now

 

[Garl]

Rotenberg and his father are a cancer for Russian hockey. Only there because they are chums with the big boss. Rotenberg was such a success coaching the Russian teams this summer. Totally incompetent.


You're incredibly boring and biased. Why you feel the need to comment in this thread all the time is for one reason only. Your Russophobia.

Man, as usual no arguments and the old "racism" card, in this case "rusophobia". I am much less a rusophobe than you are a rusophile

Ps You think Demidov is a prodigy?

 

[Garl]

It's very possible RR is trying to motivate (kind of haze) Michkov as much as he can. I got the sense he was done evaluating Michkov after the early Aug Sochi games. Michkov was immediately the 13th fwd in 1st game of the Puchkov tournament. Way before that one single turnover was made. Remember how strong Michkov was early Aug in the Sochi open? It's absurd if RR was unhappy with 39 in those games. If RR was still evaluating him, Michkov would NOT start as the 13th forward on Aug 22, the first game of the Puchkov event. He would start on a normal line with Demidov or someone else. This was the game 39 got one shift in the 1st period and scored. I now think it's actually likely Demidov got the 1st look as the only u20 player on the roster *because* he's more likely to be the one who eventually gets sent elsewhere. This way motivates Michkov as much as possible and ensures Demidov gets a look. RR might rotate the 2 for a few weeks then cut Demidov. Think aboutt it.. if you heard in July that Demidov would take Michkov's KHL spot and force him off of the team, you'd think it was absolutely batshit crazy (except for Garl). Roman is probably just f ucking with Michkov a bit right now

How fast did you arrive at the 3rd stage))

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

How fast did you arrive at the 3rd stage))

what 3rd stage. Of course, Demidov is a prodigy also

 

[Garl]

what 3rd stage. Of course, Demidov is a prodigy also

Bargaining.

And no, Demidov does not deserve the prodigy status unless you think guys who are average TOP 10 draft selections like lets say Kyle Connor or Alex Burmistrov are prodigies.

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

Bargaining.

And no, Demidov does not deserve the prodigy status unless you think guys who are average TOP 10 draft selections like lets say Kyle Connor or Alex Burmistrov are prodigies.

Bargaining? I'm confused. To answer what I think you're getting at, the piece of info that KHL teams are only allowed to have one u20 player in their lineup is critical info. I didn't know that until a few hours ago

Well who are the last D-1 Russians to surpass 1.5 pts/gm in their D-1 season in the Russian junior league? It's just these two guys since huge generational names, yeah? It makes them both prodigies

 

[Garl]

Bargaining? I'm confused. To answer what I think you're getting at, the piece of info that KHL teams are only allowed to have one u20 player in their lineup is critical info. I didn't know that until a few hours ago

Well who are the last D-1 Russians to surpass 1.5 pts/gm in their D-1 season in the Russian junior league? It's just these two guys since huge generational names, yeah? It makes them both prodigies

What? It is not "allowed" it is mandatory that they play one U20 guy and I think one(ot two?) U21. Mandatory. But they can put as many u20 players as they want. SKA dressed 2 U20 players for the game LOL

Regarding Demidov, well, who is the competition? Tarasenko was pre Mhl, and he was actually a KHler in his d-1season

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

What? It is not "allowed" it is mandatory that they play one U20 guy and I think one(ot two?) U21. Mandatory. But they can put as many u20 players as they want. SKA dressed 2 U20 players for the game LOL

Regarding Demidov, well, who is the competition? Tarasenko was pre Mhl, and he was actually a KHler in his d-1season

I guess I worded it wrong but there's been some reporting that there's one more u20/u21 spot available. Is it Ilya Fedotov who's already there? and presumably the other one will be filled by either Michkov or Demidov

 

[Garl]

I guess I worded it wrong but there's been some reporting that there's one more u20/u21 spot available. Is it Ilya Fedotov who's already there? and presumably the other one will be filled by either Michkov or Demidov

Again, you can dress as many U20 players as you want. But you have to dress at least one.
SKA dressed two, Demidov and goalie Ivanov

 

[ffh]

Bargaining.

And no, Demidov does not deserve the prodigy status unless you think guys who are average TOP 10 draft selections like lets say Kyle Connor or Alex Burmistrov are prodigies.

Neither of these 2 are average top 10 picks. Burmistrov was a complete bust and Connor was not drafted in the top 10.

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

Again, you can dress as many U20 players as you want. But you have to dress at least one.
SKA dressed two, Demidov and goalie Ivanov

"For each KHL match, a game lineup of 20 players (18 skaters plus two goalies) is selected from the KHL roster. However, KHL teams are able to dress in addition, for each game, two young players from the club’s junior roster. One of these “Designated Juniors” can be up to 20 years old, and one up to 19 (so, for this current season, one player can have a birth-year of 1999 or later, and the other must have a 2000 or later birth-year). For Russian KHL teams, the Designated Juniors must be Russian, but there are no nationality restrictions on them at all for the non-Russian clubs. So the full lineup for a KHL game, if both Designated Junior spots are used, is 20 skaters plus two goalies.

The Designated Juniors must be skaters — neither spot can be given to a young goalie. That’s a recent change in the rules (2015 or so, if memory serves), and it came about because teams were mis-using the rule. KHL clubs in the past often used one of their Designated Junior spots for the backup goalie ... "

Designated Juniors: The KHL’s Young Player Rules

SKA St. Petersburg’s 18-year-old Vasili Podkolzin. (Image Source) About a year ago, we took a fairly detailed look here at the KHL’s rules on foreign players, so now I think it’s …

conwaysrussianhockey.wordpress.com

 

[Garl]

"For each KHL match, a game lineup of 20 players (18 skaters plus two goalies) is selected from the KHL roster. However, KHL teams are able to dress in addition, for each game, two young players from the club’s junior roster. One of these “Designated Juniors” can be up to 20 years old, and one up to 19 (so, for this current season, one player can have a birth-year of 1999 or later, and the other must have a 2000 or later birth-year). For Russian KHL teams, the Designated Juniors must be Russian, but there are no nationality restrictions on them at all for the non-Russian clubs. So the full lineup for a KHL game, if both Designated Junior spots are used, is 20 skaters plus two goalies.

The Designated Juniors must be skaters — neither spot can be given to a young goalie. That’s a recent change in the rules (2015 or so, if memory serves), and it came about because teams were mis-using the rule. KHL clubs in the past often used one of their Designated Junior spots for the backup goalie ... "

Designated Juniors: The KHL’s Young Player Rules

SKA St. Petersburg’s 18-year-old Vasili Podkolzin. (Image Source) About a year ago, we took a fairly detailed look here at the KHL’s rules on foreign players, so now I think it’s …

conwaysrussianhockey.wordpress.com

Again, doesn't mean they can only dress 1 u20 player.

 

[Garl]

Neither of these 2 are average top 10 picks. Burmistrov was a complete bust and Connor was not drafted in the top 10.

My bad, confused Connor and Keller.

Burmistrov was a bust, but was he a bad prospect? As an 17 yo, I would say he was roughly at the same level as Demidov is now, more or less. Good prospect, worthy of TOP 10 selection, not a prodigy.

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

Again, doesn't mean they can only dress 1 u20 player.

they repeatedly were referring to one spot and "the other". So two spots. Maybe someone can clarify