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RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

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CanadienShark said:
Is that actually happening? I personally haven't seen it as a Habs fan. Many people, including myself, wanted Michkov. He's an incredible prospect and I was almost certain he would be drafted by one of my two teams.
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You can find example right here. Overall Michkov was belittled by a lot of fans, media and even mtl manegemnt. Again, for me its not a problem of Reinbacher, because he is a very good prospect. But everybody will talk how he will be not as good as Muchkov. Now some crazy heads are talking how Reinbacher is more valuable. Its crazy and its not a problem of Reinbacher, mtl fans just need to root for their guy, they dont need to belitttle Michkov, it's a pity and it doesn't do them any credit. Over time, it is this active, sometimes inappropriate, sometimes deceitful, sometimes pathetic will be remembered by fans of other teams and specialists. And the real victim of this activity will be Reinbacher, who will be blamed for his inability to be at the level of Michkov. But this is not his problem at all - this is the problem of management, who decided to openly lie, tell about Demidov from a completely different draft, although in fact they went by political choice. That's what they would say - Michkov lives in terrible Russia, for three years we have no control over his development, and maybe more, we decided to go the other way, but through the media and stuffing began to spin stories about what a bad character he has (McKinnon is known for his complaisant character), and that he's not really that talented. It's pathetic, it's embarrassing. And the fans who echo this don't do any better. It's not about all the fans, of course. But you can easily find them here, in mtl goard or a lot on twitter(Im using facebook or instagramm, but I believe there are even more) And all this was heard in Russia, all this was heard about him by Michkov, so I'm glad for him that he was picked by the team that wanted him.
 
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Several respected pre-draft services rated Michkov’s skating as below average. Nothing that I have seen of Michkov’s play since would convince me that their assessment was materially wrong. But an ingrained consensus dies a stubborn death.
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From what Ive seen in the preseason, he's never been beaten to an area or a puck because his skating wasnt good enough, and hes never lost coverage because he couldnt keep up. He's made some mistakes for sure, but I have yet to see a situation where his skating prevented him from being involved in the play, which is what I would consider to be below average. The way he moves once he has the puck in the offensive zone is where his skating seperates him from other players, and being able to do what he does with the puck on his edges in traffic, that aspect is well above average so the balance is there. I dont think he'll have an issue adding speed while his lower body gets stronger over the years. he'll never be a russian rocket but I dont think his skating will ever hold him back.
 
ChesterNimitz said:
Several respected pre-draft services rated Michkov’s skating as below average. Nothing that I have seen of Michkov’s play since would convince me that their assessment was materially wrong. But an ingrained consensus dies a stubborn death.
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Thanks for telling us that your opinion has been formed by reading scout summaries. Humans have a tendency to think in relatives and struggle sometimes to see the absolute values. You are severely struggling to see the absolute value right now

Imagine seeing someone cover as much ice as he does in the 2nd best league in the world, being involved in plays on both far ends of the ice routinely, busting his ass and winning races, and you somehow have the ability to call his skating below average. Lol. It's objectively above average in his draft class. And the foot speed comment? You outed yourself
 
ChesterNimitz said:
We may well be saying the same thing about Michkov in a few years. Limited skating ability has a way of exposing some heralded prospects.
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Rossi, also. He was touted as being one of the most pro ready prospects in the 2020 draft, which is kind of absurd, in retrospect.

I think Michkov signed for one year too long in the KHL, and it hurt his draft stock, but in general, playing 2-3 years playing and developing in the KHL will help him in the long run. Very, very few players can come into the NHL right away and play well. Mackinnon did, but had trouble in his next two years, and he was a physical specimen...very strong, very fast.
 
Unger9 said:
He later says the important thing is the logo by the headshot, not the text. And Michkov has the KHL logo. I can't believe anyone would be that stupid as to put Michkov in the fuken MHL after he finished the KHL season with 12 points in 13 games
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Ya, after they did that round table interview thing with Michkov and those old KHL players where they were asking him about bedard and everything I just assumed he was on the team and that was their way of marketing him before the season started, it would have been a weird reversal to see him not in the lineup after that
 
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Unger9 said:
He later says the important thing is the logo by the headshot, not the text. And Michkov has the KHL logo. I can't believe anyone would be that stupid as to put Michkov in the fuken MHL after he finished the KHL season with 12 points in 13 games
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it looks like Khusnutdinov shows as SKA-Neva too, so that is probably just an indicator of who own the players rights, demidov and matvei both are old enough to play in the MHL so they would natually go there just like a 19 year old would go to the CHL instead of the AHL. Simashev's KHL page is the same Simashev Dmitry:Kontinental Hockey League (KHL)
Players that are aged out of MHL would go to VHL which is probably where Khunty ends up to make room for Michkov
 
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Unger9 said:
Thanks for telling us that your opinion has been formed by reading scout summaries. Humans have a tendency to think in relatives and struggle sometimes to see the absolute values. You are severely struggling to see the absolute value right now

Imagine seeing someone cover as much ice as he does in the 2nd best league in the world, being involved in plays on both far ends of the ice routinely, busting his ass and winning races, and you somehow have the ability to call his skating below average. Lol. It's objectively above average in his draft class. And the foot speed comment? You outed yourself
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Outed? Michkov’s comparative skating ability is hardly a motherhood issue, unless, of course, you are related to him or his agent.

Since his dominating performance at the U18, Michkov has, in my opinion, failed to display the dynamic level of skating that would allow him to create the time and space he needs to be able to look achieve the offensive success in the NHL that so many take for granted. That was my assessment based on watching hockey for almost seven decades as a fan and now a managing director of a large, amateur sport organization in Canada. The fact that two scouting services that I respect equally questioned Michkov’s skating ability provided me with some comfort that I wasn’t up the proverbial gum tree in my assessment.

Will Michkov be able to gain that extra gear over the next several years or will he struggle on the smaller ice surface against bigger and faster players? There is no certainty with respect to most players ultimate development. I have my concerns about Michkov. But he may well prove me wrong. If that is being outed, then I stand guilty as charged.
 
ChesterNimitz said:
Since his dominating performance at the U18, Michkov has, in my opinion, failed to display the dynamic level of skating that would allow him to create the time and space he needs to be able to look achieve the offensive success in the NHL that so many take for granted.
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Sorry man, you seem to really be missing the big picture. Put Gabe Perreault on that Sochi team with him and he will look like a boat anchor in comparison. Michkov looked sufficiently quick and mobile with Sochi
 
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ChesterNimitz said:
Outed? Michkov’s comparative skating ability is hardly a motherhood issue, unless, of course, you are related to him or his agent.

Since his dominating performance at the U18, Michkov has, in my opinion, failed to display the dynamic level of skating that would allow him to create the time and space he needs to be able to look achieve the offensive success in the NHL that so many take for granted. That was my assessment based on watching hockey for almost seven decades as a fan and now a managing director of a large, amateur sport organization in Canada. The fact that two scouting services that I respect equally questioned Michkov’s skating ability provided me with some comfort that I wasn’t up the proverbial gum tree in my assessment.

Will Michkov be able to gain that extra gear over the next several years or will he struggle on the smaller ice surface against bigger and faster players? There is no certainty with respect to most players ultimate development. I have my concerns about Michkov. But he may well prove me wrong. If that is being outed, then I stand guilty as charged.
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Im not sure where your area of expertise has been for the last 70 years but I can tell youre not well acquainted with the KHL, theres only a handful of teams left who play on a rink thats not standard NHL size, and even those rinks are only 7 feet wider. KHL doesnt use the European size rink thats 13 extra feet, most of them are all standard NHL size, thats the size of rink Sochi plays on so hes already familiar with the NHL rink. All of russia has been refitting their old rinks and all the new rinks are built for the NHL standard.
 
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tnfrs said:
Im not sure where your area of expertise has been for the last 70 years but I can tell youre not well acquainted with the KHL, theres only a handful of teams left who play on a rink thats not standard NHL size, and even those rinks are only 7 feet wider. KHL doesnt use the European size rink thats 13 extra feet, most of them are all standard NHL size, thats the size of rink Sochi plays on so hes already familiar with the NHL rink. All of russia has been refitting their old rinks and all the new rinks are built for the NHL standard.
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I think regardless, Michkov's game is better suited for the smaller rink since his skating style is more effective in bursts and tight spaces. The only average thing about his skating is the straight line, top end speed
 
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Unger9 said:
I think regardless, Michkov's game is better suited for the smaller rink since his skating style is more effective in bursts and tight spaces. The only average thing about his skating is the straight line, top end speed
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Ya, the smaller ice absolutely works in his favor, and I agree on the top end speed he's not a burner. He's not a run and gun type, hes not the guy you want chasing pucks on dump ins, but he's exactly the player you want at the blue line when a guy like Tippett carries it over and pushes the defense back with his speed
 
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tnfrs said:
it looks like Khusnutdinov shows as SKA-Neva too, so that is probably just an indicator of who own the players rights, demidov and matvei both are old enough to play in the MHL so they would natually go there just like a 19 year old would go to the CHL instead of the AHL. Simashev's KHL page is the same Simashev Dmitry:Kontinental Hockey League (KHL)
Players that are aged out of MHL would go to VHL which is probably where Khunty ends up to make room for Michkov
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Who is Khunty?

tnfrs said:
Wasnt Khairullin loaned out the other day?
nevermind im dumb it was Tolyatti
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Leader of italian communists was loaned?
 
Unger9 said:
He later says the important thing is the logo by the headshot, not the text. And Michkov has the KHL logo. I can't believe anyone would be that stupid as to put Michkov in the fuken MHL after he finished the KHL season with 12 points in 13 games
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Maybe stop bringing up this ridiculous point about 12 pts in 13 games? Its meaningless
 
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tnfrs said:
Ya, the smaller ice absolutely works in his favor, and I agree on the top end speed he's not a burner. He's not a run and gun type, hes not the guy you want chasing pucks on dump ins, but he's exactly the player you want at the blue line when a guy like Tippett carries it over and pushes the defense back with his speed
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I think Michkov's straight away speed is still markedly better than Zach Benson. Markedly
 
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Garl said:
Maybe stop bringing up this ridiculous point about 12 pts in 13 games? Its meaningless
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how is it meaningless when the kid is still a developing teenager? its the exact thing you look for. if a young player ends the season stronger than he started, thats progress.

Unger9 said:
I think Michkov's straight away speed is still markedly better than Zach Benson. Markedly
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100%
 
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how is it meaningless when the kid is still a developing teenager? its the exact thing you look for. if a young player ends the season stronger than he started, thats progress.


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Take away 2 Kunlun games and it is 4 pts in his last 11 games. He just reaped on a bottom team which was out of playoffs
 
Garl said:
Take away 2 Kunlun games and it is 4 pts in his last 11 games. He just reaped on a bottom team which was out of playoffs
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Dude .. every other player in the league has the opportunity to do the same thing

Also, this was his first season in the KHL. It's really not that hard of a concept that Michkov was improving as the season progressed. They also gave him the linemates he deserved in the back half
 
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