RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[WarriorofTime]

How are his Faceoffs so far?

People make too big a deal over Center/Winger distinction.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

thats the thing, if Michkov had told arizona and montreal he wasnt going to play for them, they could have easily traded back with the Flyers, danny said he tried to move up so Montreal must have wanted Reinbacher and thought either the Flyers were moving up to take him or Arizona would take him. If Reinbacher wasnt absolutely their guy they would have traded back I think.

I get it for the Habs if they absolutely wanted Reinbacher, and couldn't be guaranteed Arizona wouldn't take him. They would have traded picks with the Flyers conditional on them drafting Michkov.

The Coyotes have no excuse. They could have swapped pick 6 for 7 with the Flyers, added an asset "for free", and still taken their guy, Simashev. Maybe an Arizona fan could enlighten us about why they didn't make that move. Seems like a no-brainer to me, but maybe I'm missing some info.

 

[tnfrs]

I get it for the Habs if they absolutely wanted Reinbacher, and couldn't be guaranteed Arizona wouldn't take him. They would have traded picks with the Flyers conditional on them drafting Michkov.

The Coyotes have no excuse. They could have swapped pick 6 for 7 with the Flyers, added an asset "for free", and still taken their guy, Simashev. Maybe an Arizona fan could enlighten us about why they didn't make that move. Seems like a no-brainer to me, but maybe I'm missing some info.

ya that ones a lil bit more of a brain teaser, unless Simashev was as high on Arizona's list as Reinbacher was on Montreals because theres still so much talent on the board even if you remove Michkov entirely, unless youre looking for defenseman, Leonard Dvorsky and Danielson are right there.

 

[Fatass]

ya that ones a lil bit more of a brain teaser, unless Simashev was as high on Arizona's list as Reinbacher was on Montreals because theres still so much talent on the board even if you remove Michkov entirely, unless youre looking for defenseman, Leonard Dvorsky and Danielson are right there.

Is it ever a good idea to use a top pick to draft for positional need? Imo it should be draft the best guy available. And that had to be Michkov at 5. And now he’s playing centre!

 

[tnfrs]

Is it ever a good idea to use a top pick to draft for positional need? Imo it should be draft the best guy available. And that had to be Michkov at 5. And now he’s playing centre!

Ya lol happy little accident

 

[FlyguyOX]

thats the thing, if Michkov had told arizona and montreal he wasnt going to play for them, they could have easily traded back with the Flyers, danny said he tried to move up so Montreal must have wanted Reinbacher and thought either the Flyers were moving up to take him or Arizona would take him. If Reinbacher wasnt absolutely their guy they would have traded back I think.

Clearly the Habs put out as much smoke as they could to drive a price on a, what they thought, was desperate GM. Master class by Briere to call the bluff

I get it for the Habs if they absolutely wanted Reinbacher, and couldn't be guaranteed Arizona wouldn't take him. They would have traded picks with the Flyers conditional on them drafting Michkov.

The Coyotes have no excuse. They could have swapped pick 6 for 7 with the Flyers, added an asset "for free", and still taken their guy, Simashev. Maybe an Arizona fan could enlighten us about why they didn't make that move. Seems like a no-brainer to me, but maybe I'm missing some info.

You make it sound like the flyers were willing to pay based on the thought someone else would get Michkov. Danny B is no fool

 

[tnfrs]

Clearly the Habs put out as much smoke as they could to drive a price on a, what they thought, was desperate GM. Master class by Briere to call the bluff


You make it sound like the flyers were willing to pay based on the thought someone else would get Michkov. Danny B is no fool

Danny has done a pretty impressive job in these last few months, even if you chalk Michkov up to dumb luck the Provorov move was savvy, and you can only really regret the moves you make that dont work youll never regret the moves you didnt make. He made a few mistakes if the Laughton thing is true and the communication thing with cutter at dev camp, but he didnt rush to move out pieces in a bad trade market. Hes still got 10mil and 2 retention spots.

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

I get it for the Habs if they absolutely wanted Reinbacher, and couldn't be guaranteed Arizona wouldn't take him. They would have traded picks with the Flyers conditional on them drafting Michkov.

The Coyotes have no excuse. They could have swapped pick 6 for 7 with the Flyers, added an asset "for free", and still taken their guy, Simashev. Maybe an Arizona fan could enlighten us about why they didn't make that move. Seems like a no-brainer to me, but maybe I'm missing some info.

Briere certainly knew that Michkov didn't want to play for Arizona, and that Arizona would obviously know that. Arizona had no leverage to get anything for swapping picks with Flyers

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

Danny has done a pretty impressive job in these last few months, even if you chalk Michkov up to dumb luck the Provorov move was savvy, and you can only really regret the moves you make that dont work youll never regret the moves you didnt make. He made a few mistakes if the Laughton thing is true and the communication thing with cutter at dev camp, but he didnt rush to move out pieces in a bad trade market. Hes still got 10mil and 2 retention spots.

I know you're just making a point, but you have to give Briere and the Flyers credit for taking Michkov. This might be the only Flyers exec regime that would've taken him. And it sounds like they may have actually influenced the draft day order by meeting with Michkov in advance. If Michkov hadn't met with Jones and Briere in Voorhees.. if he hadn't hit if off with them.. would he tell SJS/ARI as boldly that he didn't like their org?

 

[Guadana]

I know you're just making a point, but you have to give Briere and the Flyers credit for taking Michkov. This might be the only Flyers exec regime that would've taken him. And it sounds like they may have actually influenced the draft day order by meeting with Michkov in advance. If Michkov hadn't met with Jones and Briere in Voorhees.. if he hadn't hit if off with them.. would he tell SJS/ARI as boldly that he didn't like their org?

Did he tell? May be its another false narrative?

 

[tnfrs]

I know you're just making a point, but you have to give Briere and the Flyers credit for taking Michkov. This might be the only Flyers exec regime that would've taken him. And it sounds like they may have actually influenced the draft day order by meeting with Michkov in advance. If Michkov hadn't met with Jones and Briere in Voorhees.. if he hadn't hit if off with them.. would he tell SJS/ARI as boldly that he didn't like their org?

I dont know what the timeline was for the interviews he did, maybe he had a few teams on his list not just the Flyers, the dumb luck I was referring to is a generational prospect falling to us at 7th. I dont take any credit away from Briere for making the pick Im just not fully convinced it was a manufactured thing by Michkov's camp. I can see him maybe telling Arizona he didnt want to play for them but who would want to leave their home country where they trend on twitter from preseason games to play in a 6000 seat arena in *checks notes* Tempe lol I bet Logan Cooley wishes he pulled that move. Its probably something less sinister than him telling teams he would never play for them, I think he genuinely fell because teams didnt want to wait 3 years and have no say in his development

 

[tnfrs]

No michkov news for the last couple days but he scored 2 goals in an intrasquad game so not even his own team is safe, but his next game is Tuesday 22nd against Automobilist idk what time tho

 

[Kshahdoo]

No michkov news for the last couple days but he scored 2 goals in an intrasquad game so not even his own team is safe, but his next game is Tuesday 22nd against Automobilist idk what time tho

12.30 PM EST...

 

[tnfrs]

12.30 PM EST...

thanks ese

 

[GTA]

You make it sound like the flyers were willing to pay based on the thought someone else would get Michkov. Danny B is no fool

You really seem to have a rosy opinion of someone who has almost no track record. Fan bases always act like this until they turn on the GM.

 

[coooldude]

You do know that Michkov has been playing center this season? If he hits at center, forget about it. The only team who should have passed on him was Chicago. You never draft for need... you take BPA... which was Michkov after Bedard. If, and there's conflicting reports out there, Michkov absolutely told a team, "No, I will not play for you ever, under any circumstances", then maybe they pass for the right player. If I'm the Yotes, I take him and trade his rights to the Flyers or another team for a haul in a year.

"you do know" that Michkov wasn't playing center at the draft, and that decisions being made at the draft didn't know the future, right? Don't condescend, dude.

"Conflicting reports out there" is also very generous to your point of view. There's a pretty strong consensus that Michkov didn't want to play for small market teams and there is the clear fact that he met in secret with the Philly management before the draft, then again later in the week. Like I said in my post -- Habs and Arizona could have jumped for him, but the risk of him just not reporting were very high. We're talking about a two-sided game here, and if Michkov told Briere straight up that he wanted Philly and wouldn't play for the Habs or Yotes, then what leverage do those GM's have to "trade for a haul?" This isn't a video game.

God, I was a pretty big fan of his, but toxic fans like you make me a lot less excited for the bullshit that's about to come in the next 5+ years.

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

I want to see Matvei hit some snipes next week in the Puchkov Tournament. Be a bit more selfish

 

[tnfrs]

I want to see Matvei hit some snipes next week in the Puchkov Tournament. Be a bit more selfish

yaaaaaa he tried the michigan that one time but other than that he's played pretty responsibly with the puck. his entries have looked really good and hes got great carries when hes skating down low but then he passes it to the slot and goes to the net. still a good play if his linemates are ready, but I wanna see him get those slot passes

 

[FlyguyOX]

Speaks so well to his IQ that he can go from The Man to The Playmaker/Responsible C in the flick of a switch.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Oh well, there are rumors that SKA can sign Galchenyuk as another center. I hope it's just speculations.

 

[tnfrs]

Oh well, there are rumors that SKA can sign Galchenyuk as another center. I hope it's just speculations.

i thought he signed somewhere already but I was wrong

 

[Kaladin]

"you do know" that Michkov wasn't playing center at the draft, and that decisions being made at the draft didn't know the future, right? Don't condescend, dude.

"Conflicting reports out there" is also very generous to your point of view. There's a pretty strong consensus that Michkov didn't want to play for small market teams and there is the clear fact that he met in secret with the Philly management before the draft, then again later in the week. Like I said in my post -- Habs and Arizona could have jumped for him, but the risk of him just not reporting were very high. We're talking about a two-sided game here, and if Michkov told Briere straight up that he wanted Philly and wouldn't play for the Habs or Yotes, then what leverage do those GM's have to "trade for a haul?" This isn't a video game.

God, I was a pretty big fan of his, but toxic fans like you make me a lot less excited for the bullshit that's about to come in the next 5+ years.

No offense to Philly but has there ever been a player in history that said Philly or bust? lol. There's zero parts of me that believe that story. It's a hell of a lot more likely that philly was the only team in the top 7 to show him that level of interest that they invited him to their city and everything. In what world is montreal a small market team by the way?? The theory falls apart right there.

As for your inane video game point, have you heard of someone called eric lindros? He refused to play for his team and was traded for a haul that led to a stanley cup. It was 100% the right move to draft michkov anyways even if your whole wouldn't report to any team besides philly point was true. It's pretty obvious clubs were covering their asses by spreading that message after the fact. He interviewed with any team that showed interest that much is a fact.

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

 

[HuGo Sham]

"you do know" that Michkov wasn't playing center at the draft, and that decisions being made at the draft didn't know the future, right? Don't condescend, dude.

"Conflicting reports out there" is also very generous to your point of view. There's a pretty strong consensus that Michkov didn't want to play for small market teams and there is the clear fact that he met in secret with the Philly management before the draft, then again later in the week. Like I said in my post -- Habs and Arizona could have jumped for him, but the risk of him just not reporting were very high. We're talking about a two-sided game here, and if Michkov told Briere straight up that he wanted Philly and wouldn't play for the Habs or Yotes, then what leverage do those GM's have to "trade for a haul?" This isn't a video game.

God, I was a pretty big fan of his, but toxic fans like you make me a lot less excited for the bullshit that's about to come in the next 5+ years.

there's 0 indication michkov wouldn't play for the habs. Habs met him at the draft and Bobrov has links to his KHL team...
hughes was putting out vapour trails long before the draft that the habs wouldn't take him. People assumed it was Hughes bluffing, but in fact it wasn't.
Putting aside projections and errors and personal opinions, habs brass felt the RD was an area of need and didn't want any more small skilled guys in the top 6. Caufield is there.. Suzuki isn't overly large, Harvey-Pinard, Farrell, Gallagher...Habs management decided they wanted to get bigger -
slafkovsky, Reinbacher, Dach...Xekaj making the team.
Time will tell if they were right, but michkov was never an option and michkov never said he didn't want to play for the habs

lol @ montreal being a small market team. Montreal is a bigger city than philly, generates more revenue and has a larger media presence in two languages

 

[wankstifier]

Do we need a separate thread for coping? I’m just here for Michkov