RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

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In case anyone wanted some balance to this thread, Michkov did have a blind pass giveaway in OT that led to a penalty on the ensuing breakaway for the other team. I don't think he played another shift in OT after. Still a problem with his game is just being a bit too...creative and risky with his play selection, especially up high.
That's what you get with skilled players. The creativity can cause turnovers that cause a coach to pull his hair out. Part of what makes those players successful is that they will attempt things that other players will not, which makes them difficult to defend.

The issues at hand then become;

- are they worth it , despite their turnovers? Guy Lafleur sure was ... Thomas Vanek was, till he was not. It's a case by case basis. Not everyone can be a Patrice Bergeron. Tage Thompson looked like a big, dorky giveaway machine until the past two years.

- Is he capable of learning off his mistakes, and what will, and will not work in the NHL?

- Does he understand the difference between trying a risky play in a January out of conference game, and trying the same thing when you are up by one goal in a playoff game?


In general, I want my potentially special offensive players to be pushing the envelope a bit, especially when they are young. For my team, i will put up with Matt Boldy/Marco Rossi trying(and failing) to make a spinorama blind pass....Jake Middleton, not so much.
 
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3 on 3 tournament featuring the Michgod, he might play the tournament solo and go 1 v 3 the whole time but other players are concerned it still wouldnt be fair so he's using a right handed stick
 
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Lol, Yes, great example. Anything that is not 100% positive about a new shiny prospect is "hate" Michkov is a good prospect, a phenom who before last season had a 1st overall level career. KHL is not a "shitty" league, it is in elite tier in Europe alongside with SHL and NL. That is my opinion, and I have not posted anything else. KHL is now worse than ever and is not better than RSL 20 years ago it is not even some controversy, it is literally mainstream, just because some homers on this board object doesnt make it different
The RSL in the Late 90s-2000s that had very little funding, piss poor infrastructure and training facilities, and all of its junior players leaving for North American junior leagues is not even remotely better than the KHL and its junior system that replaced it, even after the mass exodus of European imports in 2022. Sorry but not sorry, your opinion based on your feelings is not factual.

Another point you tried to make invalidated. Lol.
 
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The RSL in the Late 90s-2000s that had very little funding, piss poor infrastructure and training facilities, and all of its junior players leaving for North American junior leagues is not even remotely better than the KHL and its junior system that replaced it, even after the mass exodus of European imports in 2022. Sorry but not sorry, your opinion based on your feelings is not factual.

Another point you tried to make invalidated. Lol.
You are confusing 2 things, RSL of the late 90s and RSL in lets say 2003. I was talking about 2003. You can check yourself, how many players were playing outside Russia back then. Russian clubs had plenty of money at that point.

About juniors is a strange point to make, before the 24.02.22 russians I think were the most represented euro nation in CHL. But that has little to do with quality of KHL.

Training facilities is another strange point. Those were soviet era facilities, which provided functionality, that allowed to produce World class athletes and not just in hockey. With modern facilities KHL produced Kaprizov.

And btw, its not just the "european exodus".
 

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Imagine the talent involved in being a lifelong winger and playing as a center for the first time, clearly focusing on the whole 200 foot game, and still being the most prolific player.

From watching closely I also felt that he was focusing on playmaking. It seemed at times that it was almost like he didn't care about shooting. It was weird. The tape from Sochi last year.. it felt balanced. And like he relished being the one to score. It felt almost the opposite in the recent preseason games. Did anyone else get that?
 

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After preseason Michkov is most likely starting the season with SKA. Now, we shall see his role with the team, obviously it will be hard to get much ice time due to how packed SKA is.
 

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Imagine the talent involved in being a lifelong winger and playing as a center for the first time, clearly focusing on the whole 200 foot game, and still being the most prolific player.

From watching closely I also felt that he was focusing on playmaking. It seemed at times that it was almost like he didn't care about shooting. It was weird. The tape from Sochi last year.. it felt balanced. And like he relished being the one to score. It felt almost the opposite in the recent preseason games. Did anyone else get that?
Agreed. Michkov is a phenom. He could be like Fedorov and likely dominate as a D man if asked. Incredible for the Flyers he wasn’t picked at 5 or 6 and fell to them at 7. And now he’s going to come into the Flyers’ lineup in three years as a fully matured and developed centre! The hockey Gods definitely were watching over the Flyers when Montreal and Arizona picked at the Michkov draft.
 
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Everyone's going to be shocked when this man wins ross's and hart trophies. The only way he doesn't do this is if he loses focus and doesn't give everything. He's right there with Bedard when it comes to talent and ability, different skillsets, same type of potential and impact guy, everyone else is just a tier under them, from this draft (Fantilli and Carlsson are both going to be star players). Before you come in here and say its bs and why didn't he go 2, WATCH THE TAPE, WATCH HIM PLAY.
 

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With the amount of hockey Michkov has already played against senior teams, it’s rather surprising Bedard has yet to play against men
 

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lol rotenberg traded in his track suit and is playing for SKA in the 3x3 tournament lol scored a goal
 
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With the amount of hockey Michkov has already played against senior teams, it’s rather surprising Bedard has yet to play against men
It's not really surprising whatsoever. Canadian junior hockey players don't play against men until they're in the NHL, unless they play in the World Championships, which is virtually unprecedented for a Canadian player Bedard's age (he would've still been 17 during the tournament). Bedard can't play in the ECHL/AHL at 17, and Canada doesn't participate in other senior tournaments throughout the year outside of the World Championships and the Spengler.

Canadian NCAA players certainly play against older players, but I suppose it depends on where you draw the line for playing against "men".
 
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Led (Well, tied) in points at the Sochi Hockey Open. Now he's the 3x3 Tournament MVP.

Is there a tournament or season that he hasn't dominated?

 
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Will likely make several teams look silly for passing on him … he’s gonna be a good one no doubt . Is it possible at all that he gets out of his Khl contract prior to it expiring? I’m not super familiar w KHL regulations.
 

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Will likely make several teams look silly for passing on him … he’s gonna be a good one no doubt . Is it possible at all that he gets out of his Khl contract prior to it expiring? I’m not super familiar w KHL regulations.
Almost certainly not.

Has it happened before? Yes, but those have involved an incentive for the KHL team to cancel it. Unlikely to happen for Michkov.
 

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Is there a tournament or season that he hasn't dominated?
With Michkov, that question could be asked about his entire career

Will likely make several teams look silly for passing on him … he’s gonna be a good one no doubt . Is it possible at all that he gets out of his Khl contract prior to it expiring? I’m not super familiar w KHL regulations.
He’s standing next to Rotenberg in that award ceremony, highly unlikely he’s in a situation where he wants to leave early or SKA will let him leave that easily.

The only possible scenario I see is if he somehow dominated KHL this or next season leading SKA to the Gagarin Cup win and then with no more things to conquer, they will agree to allow him to go to the NHL early
 
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