PizzaAndPucks
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Yeah I'm still a bit ticked the Flyers managed to get this guy but kudos to them because I'm sure he is going to make a fre GM's look like fools.
RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4
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TLEH
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Interesting discussion as pre-draft I was very skeptical of historical KHL numbers being compared to this KHL. Felt like the analytics community was very behind on seeing the decline of the KHL.
tnfrs
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Its hard to gauge where Michkov is relative to his age group right now because he's been playing pro for over a year now, and without Russia at the international tournaments theres no apples to apples comparisons to make so I dont put a ton of weight into Michkov's underlying metrics yet. I think its a positive thing that people have to dig so deep into the stats to find things that might suggest Michkov's not as good as people say, but it kinda feels like the author is just hedging his bets here. From last year to just these first few preseason games he's improved in almost every way. Its hard to say where his shot is right now because he's not focused on finding opportunities for himself, hes winning battles and finding teammates now, and hes adjusted so well to center that he's become an altogether different player, just as dangerous, but in ways that arent so heavily focused on his individual skill. Im not sure if thats something that can be interpreted by stats, but it shows a special kind of elite talent to be able to implement new ideas into your game so effortlessly. And im know im being a homer but he has looked INSANE at the Sochi Hockey Open, I think he's been under valued by everyone lol
Fantomas
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Michkov has the international stats to back it up. Furthermore, you don't need bad statistical models to know how good he is. It's all there to see with your eyes.
Yeah, there has not been an international junior tournament that he participated in and has not completely destroyed
WarriorofTime
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Michkov passed every international test with flying colors before the IIHF ban, and he's only improved as a prospect since then. While it's a shame he never got a FULL world juniors to showcase, I don't think some extra games there would make or break anything.
TLEH
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He is clearly a great prospect. I wasn't using this chart to disparage him. He has dominated. Just posting some dialogue on the KHL and its current climate as I feel that does weigh on the exact height Michkov should be at as a prospect. Is he like a Malkin, Ovechkin type impact prospect like his KHL numbers suggest? Or is the analytics community overvaluing his production in the KHL relative to historical trends.
PavelBure10
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Chicago got the best player in the 2023 NHL draft, but that's expected since Connor Bedard has been considered a general talent for a bunch of years now, but Philly got the steal of the draft in Matvei Michkov.
Imo the Russian factor is too much in play here, and Philadelphia got themselves a superstar talent 7th overall. A player who "should or will" prove to be back to the solidified 2nd overall prospect of the 23 draft.
Michkov is going to be a beauty at NHL level.
Imo the Russian factor is too much in play here, and Philadelphia got themselves a superstar talent 7th overall. A player who "should or will" prove to be back to the solidified 2nd overall prospect of the 23 draft.
Michkov is going to be a beauty at NHL level.
The last time we saw them in an actual tournament together Michkov was just as good, if not better. He still can pass Bedard and it won’t surprise me one bit.
PavelBure10
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I agree. Michkov could easily surprise and become the best player of the 23 draft aswell. No question.
tnfrs
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oh ya i wasnt suggesting you were trying to dump on him, i totally get what youre saying i was just talking about the tweet
2019,
Philly drafts defensman before Montreal steals Caufield.
2023, Montreal takes defensman before Philly steals Michkov.
Pretty much sums it up.
Philly drafts defensman before Montreal steals Caufield.
2023, Montreal takes defensman before Philly steals Michkov.
Pretty much sums it up.
Pavel Buchnevich
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Exactly this. People mention how the KHL compares to other leagues or how it compares to what it was five years ago, but Michkov has been going to these international tournaments for years against older players and some of them he absolutely obliterates. That's just very uncommon, and it tends to be the players that end up stars in the NHL that also did those things. It's not to say there haven't been guys who've dominated these tournaments and not panned out, but if you look at what the best players of the past few eras did at these tournaments, it tends to be the same type of pattern where they play against older players and are still dominating the competition.
Good chance he is an Ovechkin or Malkin, but if not, it wouldn't be bad to settle for a Kucherov.
Fantomas
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KHL is a declining league + Garl told me Michkov couldn't really make SKA St. Petersburg = Michkov mid-tier prospect.
These are the facts, jack.
These are the facts, jack.
Guadana
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KHL is still second best league and it’s better league now than it was in the time of Malkin and Ovechkin.
Advenced stats isnt a good thing to judge 17-19 yo players in pro leagues.
Michkov is nowhere overvalued. And his production too.
Fatass
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Read something about Michkov moving to centre. If he takes his elite skills, vision, and compete to centre he is going to be even more impressive. Definitely there will be teams (I’d say who drafted at five and six) kicking themselves for passing on him.
He has. You’d never know his goal scoring prowess watching him at center. Looks like a natural playmaking center out there
FrankSidebottom
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Barring a significant injury he’ll be regarded as the best KHL player by the season’s end
Fatass
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After three years of further maturation and development as a centre he’s going to come into the Flyers’ lineup and be beyond what a lot of fans expect. I can see clubs taking the four centres ahead of him (Bedard, Carlson, Fantilli, Smith) but I don’t get Montreal and Arizona o pop adding him up for the D men they chose. It’s not like those D project to be Heiskanen or Makar. Sure, take those guys. They aren’t anywhere close to projecting to be the impact player Michkov will be, especially now he’s playing centre.
TLEH
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That’s premature, there are still high quality players in the KHL plus I don’t know if they will give him a lot of ice time when SKA ices their full lineup
FrankSidebottom
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I personally think the KHL is getting a bit underrated now, but I’m not sure about the „high quality“ players. Quite a good depth and lots of promising guys, but I don’t see why even sheltered Michkov couldn’t be considered better than Slepyshev, Grigorenko, Mamin, Tkachev, ancient Radulov etc. I may have forgotten about Nikishin, then I fix myself to „the best forward”.
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