Boonk
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Stop crying. Please lol. That’s all you BEEN doing. You’ve based your wrong opinions on nothing but your own emotion to tear down Michkov as a player and you’ve brought absolutely nothing of value to discuss about except you whining. How about YOU stop crying and having wrong opinions lol.Nobody called him trash(strawman as usual) but if that is the standart of your rebuttals the lol. How have you disproven the SKA issue? By using ""?
And yes, he was not motivated to play for NT vs Belarus. Glotov and Zykov were, but Michkov is above this. Correct.
Go on, show me this "evidence" should be fun.
And stop crying already
Here’s a bunch of fat Ls you took
The Russian users didn't talk about anything else.. but after the U20 World Cup this thread was flooded with garbage (see the first posts here after the opening). Some of your post liker know what Im talking about.
@Opener, "has produced at a very respectable rate in the 10 games he has played so far". It is not a "very respectable rate", we are talking about the best PPG this league has seen like ever (but thanks otherwise for a good opening with links and a little introduction):
(draft eligible U19 min 10 games)
And, like it was mentioned here many times before, he is doing that beeing smaller/lighter than everyone on this list while playing for the worst team the KHL has seen like ever (just a fact). He shouldn't even be playing in the KHL with his physique, let alone being the top player on his KHL team.
Generally speaking, what it means is that Michkov wasn't getting the ice time necessary for development, so they decided to loan him to a team where he would receive more ice time and hence where he would have an easier time developing.
Such a system would benefit NHL as well. Wouldn't it be great if a top contender could loan a high-end prospect to a bottom team like Blackhawks or Ducks for development instead of having to sit him around as a healthy scratch, or send him down to AHL?
Isn`t as pro? He has record\near record season in second best pro league for player of his age. You have 3-4 years of steady calm life. Than you will regret about everything you said. And you said a lot. Like flyers, you should invest a lot in this years. But like Boston it`s the end of your prime. Use it wisely.
Bedard scored 13 points on 2 terrible teams at WJC, still counts as a record. And why didn't Zavgorodny, who had 67 points in 40 games CHL season a few years ago, score all those points?
And which of his 5 points were scored because of goalie?
Are you a racist? I don't understand why you are focusing on the nationality of the Kunlun goaltender. If he is the goaltender of the KHL club, then he has a certain level of skill.
Never saw anybody insisted that Michkov scored all of his points against elite KHLers either. He just scored them in the KHL, and his PPG was record for 1st year draft players, nothing more nothing less...
As to whether his KHL records matter or not, look at top KHL scorers and top scorers from other leagues who've moved to NHL and become solid players and even stars...
For all you crapping on Kunlun... Their #4/5 defenseman, Ryan Sproul, won CHL defenceman of the year in 2013.
What do you think he'd do vs CHL kids, or the NCAA, as a 30 year old seasoned vet? That's right, Kunlun's 4/5th defenseman would annihilate those leagues.
Yet somehow torching Kunlun is a negative for Michkov?
If that's the case might as well throw all Bedard and Fantilli's achievements out the window also.
Lol… Him playing in a top euro league kinda contradicts what you say… talking about bias. And Michkov was in two games against SKA one of if not the best player on the ice (at least in one game he was). That’s better than everything Bedard, Carlsson or Fantilli had ever to deal with. And about “not good enough for the WC”, Bedard played sommer hockey instead of Hungary. I would have too. Michkov lackrossed the Swedish senior team 16 years old, he doesn’t need to prove him against D-Level competition. Fantilli and Carlsson had to… and looked mediocre. Like they always do on international stage.
Ahh, that's right. I forgot 16 year old Michkov lacrossed Gustaf Lindvall, who was 3rd in both SHL save% and GAA that year. Not to mention he won SHL Goalie of the Year 2 years previous.
But I still agree with Garl. Only Superman Carlsson can score on such fantastic SHL goaltending. Michkov has significantly regressed from his 16 year old self and can only light-up Chinese goalies these days.
There's no hope for poor Mavei.
KHL teams in general are in the "win now" mode, they don't care about showcasing or inflating stats for young players, but for that mode you just put your trust on the experienced guys, as they are proven to deliver the result. Michkov's Sochi team was an exception here, as they were dead last when he arrived, yet still he got just under 16 minutes of TOI there, which is sort of understandable though, as he wasn't too ready physically.
It may be hard to comprehend for some folks, but a 30 year old career KHLer is often much better than a 17-18 year old future NHL star. Coaches don't stand behind the bench admiring their great talent, they see a player who is skilled, but hasn't fully adapted to the adult hockey and may lack some qualities that are necessary in the KHL. They don't care about the player being a high draft pick (it's not their draft pick) and play then on merit.
If Michkov's career so far isn't impressive, I don't know what is. Scoring 7 points in a junior game against some bunch of losers who'll never even sniff professional hockey? If you want a player to contend for the KHL scoring title in his draft year, I'm sorry to break it for you, prospects like that never existed and likely never will.
First, he scored 4 points… check your facts first, stat watcher… Second, about the series with Belarus, Michkov/Russia destroyed Belarus in the first two games 10:2, Michkov was 1+1 and everything was said and done. Nobody wanted to play against Belarus again and the players of both teams admitted that they had massive motivation problems… besides that, as stat watchers like Garl the great can’t know, Michkov didnt play much in the last games … in some he was the 13th forward and played only few seconds/minutes, every time when Rotenbergs Russia looked like shit and they needed some momentum.
Your argument is well known. You'be been saying the same thing for 75 pages. We get it already.
You're wrong, but your opinion is acknowledged.
I have yet to understand why certain posters feel the need to come to this thread and downplay and 18 year old's achiements like a broken record....over and over and over and over again.
It's weird, seriously.
No, you're coming to this thread ad nauseam saying the same crap over and over again. You're going around in circles.
It'd be cool to actually discuss Michkov instead of Garl showing up every day telling how Michkov's season was a disappointment and how CARLSSON IS BETTER!!!!
Jesus Christ enough already.
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Lol what? Michkov had a generational year
Not only is 20 points in 30 games impressive for a 17 year old in the world's 2nd biggest league that's much lower scoring in the NHL, the fact he did it with 3rd line minutes and a putrid team makes it the best KHL season of any draft year player ever. What do you mean?
Put into context, the leading scorer on Sochi last year had 30 points in 55 games. Matvei had 20 points in 27 games. That's pretty impressive.
The CHL is a hilarious joke compared to mens hockey. As has been pointed out - some friggin' depth guy on Red Star Kunlun won CHL d-man of the year. Its a kids league.
Bedard hasnt played any team on Red Star Kunlun's tier, like ever. Half of his regular competition consists of future accountants, delivery drivers and construction workers.
More money paid. Better players playing there. Its easy as that. Bunch of the best swedes and finns are not even playing in their home leagues. Why? Why someone like Hartikainnen or swedes like Omark or Tömmernes played in the NLA instead of the great SHL… The talent pool in the KHL is even without the imports bigger. If not for money, half of the KHL would play as a bottom 6 in the NHL, in the AHL or somewhere in Europe. But why should they play for peanuts in the SHL? Yeah, only Garl can answer that.
You seem to have forgot a question mark there, bud. The point is that Michkov played against much tougher opponents. He has excelled at every level he's played. And if you didn't know, Kunlun finished above Sochi in the regular season and won 3 and lost 3 vs Sochi. Again, Kunlun would spank every CHL team.
Cause you have no arguments. Zero. Your point SHL > KHL isn’t based on any facts only on your (wrong) opinion… Your point with the Chinese goalie is as bad… again, Michkov outscored Russian 1st round talent with Miroshnichenko or Yurov on one leg. The two played in the same (weak) KHL against the same weak Chinese team. Yurov had 0 Points in the K in his draft year. Miro didn’t played a single second, only VHL. He had 16 points in 31 VHL games (Michkov had 10 goals in 12 games)… and cancer… and went nevertheless 20 OA. Michkovs 20 points in 27 games in the K are in every way exceptional. In his D+1 year Miro had 4 points in 23 games. Yurov had 12 in 59 games…Besides that, can you show us 1 single scout report about Michkov not being at least the 2nd most talented player of this draft? You cant. Cause outside of maybe Anaheim, Columbus and your own world, nobody argues that Michkov is at least the second best prospect of this draft.
Are you saying that chinese people can't play goalie?
You can only play against the opponents in front of you.
He had 20 points in 27 KHL games.
And 2 points in 4 games in the only real international tournament at senior level he's played. As a 16-year old.
It's so head-scratching that you don't even seem to have any real opinion on Michkov, aside from your 'Carlsson's better' shtick (which is obviously your opinion to have). Yet you choose an idea that has been proven factually wrong like 20 times in this exact thread (Michkov's draft season not being exceptional) and keep defending it like it decides the fate of the planet
The problem with your logic is you can't take away games. Sochi was the worst team in the league. So by your logic, Michkov had non-"normal" teammates. That would effect scoring, no?
That’s just this thread, not even the other ones closed up. Not good lolOne more thing. I find your rationale with respect to Bedard as disingenuous. You are taking Bedard's points at face value when comparing them to other prospects in the same league that preceded him, but when it comes to Michkov, instead of doing the same, you want to take away points, in an attempt to validate your position. It's pretty weak.