RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[MNRube]

This guy Garl really expects us to believe Michkov fell to 7 because he wasn’t better than any of the guys ahead of him?

It’s a bad take made worse by the fact that he 100% hasn’t watched Michkov play. Because if he had taken the time, he would never say this. The kid is a rare rare talent.

 

[Garl]

There is no speculation. When the top 6 teams of the draft do not personally meet with a player of Michkov's calibre, it prooves 100% that his fall to 7 was greatly affected by outside influences.

In any normal situation there's no justification, whatsoever, for these teams to not personally meet with a player of Michkov's talent level; even if they prefer someone else.

It's one of 2 things:
A. His fall to 7 was not on-ice related, or
B. These 6 GMs are the most incompetent and inept GMs in the history of professional sports.

His fall from 2nd was on-ice related
His fall to 7th was not only on-ice related

 

[Snotbubbles]

Not only is 20 points in 30 games impressive for a 17 year old in the world's 2nd biggest league that's much lower scoring in the NHL, the fact he did it with 3rd line minutes and a putrid team makes it the best KHL season of any draft year player ever. What do you mean?

Put into context, the leading scorer on Sochi last year had 30 points in 55 games. Matvei had 20 points in 27 games. That's pretty impressive.

 

[Kiirin]

For every article you pull up that is opinion based I can pull up 4 to show Michkov Ghosted Columbus who made several attempts to contact him, as well as Arizona and the Sharks who came very close to drafting him. MANY execs in MTL were pissed they didn't take him.

At the end of the day, it's confirmation bias, not fact. None of us know what's real or fake, what we DO KNOW is that teams release these lies regularly to tame fanbases that are pissed at their GM for fumbling the bag.

Seems pretty obvious that's what's going on here, many of his teammates already spoke out in his defense, 3 of them were with him at the draft for support


Rappers pull this off every day

Then do bring forth the articles that substantiate Michkov ghosting Columbus, the reports of the many "Montreal executives" pissed at the fifth selection with Reinbacher, and the Shark's decision of not drafting him that is different from a quote that is literally coming from their own GM's mouth. What we do know is: multiple different people from different sources have spoken negatively about Michkov's personality problems before the draft and teams have supposedly opted for other players because of his character issues and the situation in Russia while most agreeing that he's arguably the second most talented prospect out of this draft class with some exception that he didn't want to go to Arizona and Washington.

 

[Garl]

Lol what? Michkov had a generational year


Not only is 20 points in 30 games impressive for a 17 year old in the world's 2nd biggest league that's much lower scoring in the NHL, the fact he did it with 3rd line minutes and a putrid team makes it the best KHL season of any draft year player ever. What do you mean?

4 pts in 11 games for NT vs Belarus is generational Lol

Out of 20 pts, like 8 were scored vs Master Sun from Kunlun. He played on a farm after failing to make the main team. Whats generational? And with whom we are making a comparsion?

 

[majormajor]

For every article you pull up that is opinion based I can pull up 4 to show Michkov Ghosted Columbus who made several attempts to contact him, as well as Arizona and the Sharks who came very close to drafting him. MANY execs in MTL were pissed they didn't take him.

At the end of the day, it's confirmation bias, not fact. None of us know what's real or fake, what we DO KNOW is that teams release these lies regularly to tame fanbases that are pissed at their GM for fumbling the bag.

Seems pretty obvious that's what's going on here, many of his teammates already spoke out in his defense, 3 of them were with him at the draft for support


Rappers pull this off every day

Do you mind sharing your sources on all of this?

I'm following closely and haven't heard any of this.

 

[Hanji]

His fall from 2nd was on-ice related
His fall to 7th was not only on-ice related

When teams dont even meet a player face-to-face, yes, it's all off-ice related. He's go 2nd if he played in the CHL. That much is obvious.

4 pts in 11 games for NT vs Belarus is generational Lol

Out of 20 pts, like 8 were scored vs Master Sun from Kunlun. He played on a farm after failing to make the main team. Whats generational? And with whom we are making a comparsion?

Someone already told you Red Star would thrash any CHL club. Even with the Chinese goalie. Men vs boys

Bedard could only average 2.5 ppg against kids. Michkov scored 4 ppg against Red Star Kunlun with that goalie. The hockey world would go nuts over Bedard if he could score 4 ppg against them.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Flyers have been a dumpster fire for nearly a decade. Philly isn't a hockey town. You have your stepford fans and the rest don't give a crap. It's a football city. Then a baseball city. Then a basketball city. Then maybe, they care about hockey. The Flyers "brand" is as low as I've ever seen it in the past 50 years.

This is true but when the Flyers are doing well they are a marquee team with high brand name recognition, and as strong and widespread fan base as most teams

 

[Guadana]

Because some loosy trying juggle by stats, I will do the same and make it easier.
Michkov is playing in better league than SHL and NCAA, his result is better than top russian prospects - 20 points in 27 games for Sochi, he is more productive than Carlsson(25 in 44 games) in weaker SHL league, Fantilli didn`t play in adult league at all, and he was meh on mens WC, results of Fantilli close to the same for Eichel in points, Eichel isn`t even second best on his draft. KHL is too tough for pre draft players but it`s not so tough for Michkov. He overplay all of the players of his age in any league and any tornament he played. He is better than Fantilli and Carlsson NOW in miles. Eye test is telling the truth easy, stats test is telling the truth.

SC is fun to lick the vss of McKinnon when they talked about how b1tch he is with his teammates about freaking food. If Michkov is on the level of hockey freakness, It should be better for flyers, they need to turn around the hockey culture. Now toronto media talk about how lack they are of hockeu culture, but when they littering about Michkov, it`s a problem of him. Nope, it`s adventage. Good and calm guys are very good golfers.

GM`s should save face. So it`s their problem in the future. It`s ok to stay away from generational talent. I believe Reinbacher or Carlsson will help to win Stanley Cup in the next three four years for ducks or mtl.

I`m happy that california and canada didn`t draft him at all. I can understand Kekka, he needs in center and his seat is hot under him. Fantilli is in miles from Michkov as offensive Metal Gear, but he is good physical two way center with good skating. Even if he will not hit 100-120 points, but will produce 80-90 points - it`s still very great result.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Bedard could only average 2.5 ppg against kids. Michkov scored 4 ppg against Red Star Kunlun with that goalie. The hockey world would go nuts over Bedard if he could score 4 ppg against them.

Is this sarcasm? It sounds like it but I can't tell

 

[Hanji]

Is this sarcasm? It sounds like it but I can't tell

The CHL is a hilarious joke compared to mens hockey. As has been pointed out - some friggin' depth guy on Red Star Kunlun won CHL d-man of the year. Its a kids league.

Bedard hasnt played any team on Red Star Kunlun's tier, like ever. Half of his regular competition consists of future accountants, delivery drivers and construction workers.

 

[FlyguyOX]

His fall from 2nd was on-ice related
His fall to 7th was not only on-ice related

Yeah, he didn’t want to play for small market teams or crazy French canadiens

 

[Kap-the-Head]

First, he scored 4 points… check your facts first, stat watcher… Second, about the series with Belarus, Michkov/Russia destroyed Belarus in the first two games 10:2, Michkov was 1+1 and everything was said and done. Nobody wanted to play against Belarus again and the players of both teams admitted that they had massive motivation problems… besides that, as stat watchers like Garl the great can’t know, Michkov didnt play much in the last games … in some he was the 13th forward and played only few seconds/minutes, every time when Rotenbergs Russia looked like shit and they needed some momentum.

By the way, just one year before his entry into the NHL, Ovechkin only played two games for Russia at the 2004 World Cup of Hockey, scoring only one goal in a 5:2 victory over Slovakia.
P.S. I am actually reliving the Crosby/Ovechkin debate from 18 years ago. It's kind of fun. Makes me feel young again.

 

[Garl]

When teams dont even meet a player face-to-face, yes, it's all off-ice related. He's go 2nd if he played in the CHL. That much is obvious.




Someone already told you Red Star would thrash any CHL club. Even with the Chinese goalie. Men vs boys

Bedard could only average 2.5 ppg against kids. Michkov scored 4 ppg against Red Star Kunlun with that goalie. The hockey world would go nuts over Bedard if he could score 4 ppg against them.

Maybe, maybe not, we will never now that

 

[Garl]

Because some loosy trying juggle by stats, I will do the same and make it easier.
Michkov is playing in better league than SHL and NCAA, his result is better than top russian prospects - 20 points in 27 games for Sochi, he is more productive than Carlsson(25 in 44 games) in weaker SHL league, Fantilli didn`t play in adult league at all, and he was meh on mens WC, results of Fantilli close to the same for Eichel in points, Eichel isn`t even second best on his draft. KHL is too tough for pre draft players but it`s not so tough for Michkov. He overplay all of the players of his age in any league and any tornament he played. He is better than Fantilli and Carlsson NOW in miles. Eye test is telling the truth easy, stats test is telling the truth.

SC is fun to lick the vss of McKinnon when they talked about how b1tch he is with his teammates about freaking food. If Michkov is on the level of hockey freakness, It should be better for flyers, they need to turn around the hockey culture. Now toronto media talk about how lack they are of hockeu culture, but when they littering about Michkov, it`s a problem of him. Nope, it`s adventage. Good and calm guys are very good golfers.

GM`s should save face. So it`s their problem in the future. It`s ok to stay away from generational talent. I believe Reinbacher or Carlsson will help to win Stanley Cup in the next three four years for ducks or mtl.

I`m happy that california and canada didn`t draft him at all. I can understand Kekka, he needs in center and his seat is hot under him. Fantilli is in miles from Michkov as offensive Metal Gear, but he is good physical two way center with good skating. Even if he will not hit 100-120 points, but will produce 80-90 points - it`s still very great result.

How is KHL better than SHL at the moment? KHL has 24 teams to SHL's 14, and now KHL doesn't have the import advantage anymore.

 

[NatusVincere]

More money paid. Better players playing there. Its easy as that. Bunch of the best swedes and finns are not even playing in their home leagues. Why? Why someone like Hartikainnen or swedes like Omark or Tömmernes played in the NLA instead of the great SHL… The talent pool in the KHL is even without the imports bigger. If not for money, half of the KHL would play as a bottom 6 in the NHL, in the AHL or somewhere in Europe. But why should they play for peanuts in the SHL? Yeah, only Garl can answer that.

 

[Acallabeth]

His fall from 2nd was on-ice related
His fall to 7th was not only on-ice related

The only club that could argue its reasons for not taking Michkov were strictly on-ice related is Chicago (and even then it would be false, because if the players swapped nations, the Hawks would still be inclined to draft a NA player).

What do you think about Kovalchuk's body btw? Does Michkov still need it do be drafted higher? Or did you see Bedard at the draft and decided to bury that argument? Kekeke

 

[ItWasJustified]

Is this sarcasm? It sounds like it but I can't tell

Red Star Kunlun would completely trash every single CHL team.

 

[Garl]

The only club that could argue its reasons for not taking Michkov were strictly on-ice related is Chicago (and even then it would be false, because if the players swapped nations, the Hawks would still be inclined to draft a NA player).

What do you think about Kovalchuk's body btw? Does Michkov still need it do be drafted higher? Or did you see Bedard at the draft and decided to bury that argument? Kekeke

You misunderstood the argument, because you guys are not trying to argue, but rather insist on your position and overshout or mock and ridicule those who disagree.
I have never said that you need to be built like Kovalchuk to get drafted high, a complete strawman

 

[Garl]

Red Star Kunlun would completely trash every single CHL team.

Yes, and Michkov didn't score as much in KHL as Bedard.in CHL. What is the point.
The initial argument was that let's say "pro-Michkov" side was insisting and still insists that Michkov had a legendary generational season.
Then it was pointed out that the difference between a generational and legendary season and smth similar to Panarin in 2010 or Kravtsov in 2018 is 8pts scored in 2 last games vs Kunlun. Without this 8 pts he has 12 in 25. Thats it.

 

[ItWasJustified]

Yes, and Michkov didn't score as much in KHL as Bedard.in CHL. What is the point.

You seem to have forgot a question mark there, bud. The point is that Michkov played against much tougher opponents. He has excelled at every level he's played. And if you didn't know, Kunlun finished above Sochi in the regular season and won 3 and lost 3 vs Sochi. Again, Kunlun would spank every CHL team.

 

[Garl]

You seem to have forgot a question mark there, bud. The point is that Michkov played against much tougher opponents. He has excelled at every level he's played. And if you didn't know, Kunlun finished above Sochi in the regular season and won 3 and lost 3 vs Sochi. Again, Kunlun would spank every CHL team.

Kunlun played their chinese goalie in those 2 last games. And Michkov scored 8 pts in those two meaningless games at the end of the season.
How is 12 pts in 28 games excellent? Or 4 pts in 11 games for NT?

 

[Garl]

Funny as I have said, it is very possible that next year I will come to Michkov's thread and will tell you how good he is this season. We shall see. Problem and the drama right now is due to people not arguing in good faith, not listening to opponents arguments, dodging, ad hominems, strawmans etc

Argument is now meaningless, draft is history. Everyone can believe whatever they want. Belief is not always based on evidence anyway.

 

[NatusVincere]

because you guys are not trying to argue

Cause you have no arguments. Zero. Your point SHL > KHL isn’t based on any facts only on your (wrong) opinion… Your point with the Chinese goalie is as bad… again, Michkov outscored Russian 1st round talent with Miroshnichenko or Yurov on one leg. The two played in the same (weak) KHL against the same weak Chinese team. Yurov had 0 Points in the K in his draft year. Miro didn’t played a single second, only VHL. He had 16 points in 31 VHL games (Michkov had 10 goals in 12 games)… and cancer… and went nevertheless 20 OA. Michkovs 20 points in 27 games in the K are in every way exceptional. In his D+1 year Miro had 4 points in 23 games. Yurov had 12 in 59 games…Besides that, can you show us 1 single scout report about Michkov not being at least the 2nd most talented player of this draft? You cant. Cause outside of maybe Anaheim, Columbus and your own world, nobody argues that Michkov is at least the second best prospect of this draft.

 

[ItWasJustified]

Kunlun played their chinese goalie in those 2 last games.

Are you saying that chinese people can't play goalie?

And Michkov scored 8 pts in those two meaningless games at the end of the season.

You can only play against the opponents in front of you.

How is 12 pts in 28 games excellent? Or 4 pts in 11 games for NT?

He had 20 points in 27 KHL games.

And 2 points in 4 games in the only real international tournament at senior level he's played. As a 16-year old.