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Russian Prospects for the next 2 or 3 drafts

Marshy71

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Am a bit out of the loop here - can anyone more familiar with Russian prospects please drop a few names of the top prospects to watch out for in the upcoming drafts?

See a bit of high end talent mentioned frequently from other nations, but not so much on the Russian players. There is usually several solid prospects each draft - hopefully there is not a drop off in talent!

Thanks in advance!
 
2021

Nikita Chibrikov (W) **
Daniil Chayka (D) **
Kirill Kirsanov (D) **
Dimitri Katelevski (W) *
Fyodor Svechkov (W) *

2022

Ivan Miroshnichenko (W) ***
Danila Yurov (C) ***
Sergei Ivanov (G) *
Arseni Koromyslov (D) *
Vadim Fattakhov (C) *
Yegor Nikitin (D) *

2023

Matvei Michkov (W) ****
Mikhail Gulyayev (D) ***

2024

Ivan Demidov (W) ***

All players mentioned have the potential to be selected in the first 2 rounds
* Round 2
** Round 1
*** Top 10
**** Top 3
***** N°1
 
Alexey Prokopenko
Alexander Kisakov
Danila Lazutin
Prokhor Poltapov
Artyem Grushnykov
Dmitri Kostenko
Vladimir Sychyov
Vladislav Lukashevich

I only mentioned the players that I classify in the 1st and 2nd round. Obviously there should be more than 20 Russians selected each year.

PlayerPositionNationBirth
N.ChibrikovWRussia2003
D.ChaykaDRussia2002
K.KirsanovDRussia2002
D.KatelevskiWRussia2003
F.SvechkovWRussia2003
P.PoltapovWRussia2003
I.IvantsovWRussia2003
V.LukashevichDRussia2003
D.KostenkoDRussia2002
D.AimurzinWRussia2002
V.SkotnikovGRussia2001
M.PetrovWRussia2003
V.ShumilovDRussia2003
D.LazutinCRussia2003
G.KuzminCRussia2003
F.FreyerDRussia2003
S.SardaryanWRussia2003
P.KanayevGRussia2003
M.NadvornyWRussia2003
A.KisakovWRussia2002
K.GerasimyukGRussia2003
D.PylenkovDRussia2000
P.TyutnevCRussia2002
A.AgapovWRussia2002
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2021

Nikita Chibrikov (W) **
Daniil Chayka (D) **
Kirill Kirsanov (D) **
Dimitri Katelevski (W) *
Fyodor Svechkov (W) *

2022

Ivan Miroshnichenko (W) ***
Danila Yurov (C) ***
Sergei Ivanov (G) *
Arseni Koromyslov (D) *
Vadim Fattakhov (C) *
Yegor Nikitin (D) *

2023

Matvei Michkov (W) ****
Mikhail Gulyayev (D) ***

2024

Ivan Demidov (W) ***

All players mentioned have the potential to be selected in the first 2 rounds
* Round 2
** Round 1
*** Top 10
**** Top 3
***** N°1

Nice, missing Gleb Trikozov for 2022 though
 
2021

Nikita Chibrikov (W) **
Daniil Chayka (D) **
Kirill Kirsanov (D) **
Dimitri Katelevski (W) *
Fyodor Svechkov (W) *

2022

Ivan Miroshnichenko (W) ***
Danila Yurov (C) ***
Sergei Ivanov (G) *
Arseni Koromyslov (D) *
Vadim Fattakhov (C) *
Yegor Nikitin (D) *

2023

Matvei Michkov (W) ****
Mikhail Gulyayev (D) ***

2024

Ivan Demidov (W) ***

All players mentioned have the potential to be selected in the first 2 rounds
* Round 2
** Round 1
*** Top 10
**** Top 3
***** N°1
Michkov not N°1?
 
2021

Nikita Chibrikov (W) **
Daniil Chayka (D) **
Kirill Kirsanov (D) **
Dimitri Katelevski (W) *
Fyodor Svechkov (W) *

2022

Ivan Miroshnichenko (W) ***
Danila Yurov (C) ***
Sergei Ivanov (G) *
Arseni Koromyslov (D) *
Vadim Fattakhov (C) *
Yegor Nikitin (D) *

2023

Matvei Michkov (W) ****
Mikhail Gulyayev (D) ***

2024

Ivan Demidov (W) ***

All players mentioned have the potential to be selected in the first 2 rounds
* Round 2
** Round 1
*** Top 10
**** Top 3
***** N°1
Michkov is *****
Currently, I prefer Bedard
Bedard's not shown anything in any relevant league, only local u-18s, not even internationals. His achievements are nothing compared to Michkov's.
 
Michkov is *****

Bedard's not shown anything in any relevant league, only local u-18s, not even internationals. His achievements are nothing compared to Michkov's.

He's C, born in 2005 and the only Exceptionnal in WHL Only U16 player to have played in U20 Sweden. His career seems to me more exceptional than that of Michkov. Anyway the draft is over 2 years away
 
He's C, born in 2005 and the only Exceptionnal in WHL Only U16 player to have played in U20 Sweden. His career seems to me more exceptional than that of Michkov. Anyway the draft is over 2 years away
His career is by far not as exceptional as Michkov's. Played a couple of games in the sweish U20 league? How is that impressive compared to Michkov's dominance in a better league? Yes, Bedard is another half a year younger, but that does not make him better in itself.
 
Russian prospects from russian leagues for draft 2021:
Kirill Kirsanov (D) SKA (St. Petersburg) (KHL) - 1-2 round
Nikita Chibrikov (W) SKA-Neva (VHL) - 1-2 round
Fyodor Svechkov (C/W) Lada (VHL) - 1-2 round
Daniil Chayka (D) CSKA (Moscow) (KHL) - 2 round
Dmitriy Katelevskiy (C/W) Bars (VHL) - 2 round
Prokhor Poltapov (W) Krasnaya Armia (MHL) - 2 round
Dmitriy Kostenko (D) Lada (VHL) - 2-3 round
Vladislav Lukashevich (D) Loko (MHL) - 2-3 round
Matvey Petrov (W) Krylia Sovetov (MHL) - 3 round
4-7 rounds
Alexandr Kisakov (W) Dynamo (Moscow) (MHL)
Ilya Fedotov (W) Chayka (MHL)
Ilya Ivantsov (C) SKA-1946 (MHL)
Vasiliy Shumilov (D) Tolpar (MHL)
Dmitriy Zugan (C) Krasnaya Armia (MHL)
Maxim Motorygin (G) Dynamo (Moscow) (MHL)
Yaroslav Busygin (D) Russkie Vityazi (MHL)
Bogdan Krokhalev (D) Stalnye Lisy (MHL)
Grigoriy Kuzmin (C/W) SKA-Varyagi (MHL)
Semyon Demidov (W) Russkie Vityazi (MHL)
Daniil Grigoryev (C) Irbis (MHL)
Vasiliy Atanasov (C) Mamonty Yugry (MHL)
Matvey Averochkin (C) Krasnaya Armia (MHL)
Edgar Varagyan (W) Stalnye Lisy (MHL)
Stiven Sardaryan (W) Krasnaya Armia (MHL)
Valeriy Brinkman (G) SKA-1946 (MHL)
Ilya Nabokov (G) Staknye Lisy (MHL)
Semyon Vyazovoy (G) Tolpar (MHL)
Nikita Grebenkin (W) Stalnye Lisy (MHL)
Daniil Lazutin (C) SKA-1946 (MHL)
 
His career is by far not as exceptional as Michkov's. Played a couple of games in the sweish U20 league? How is that impressive compared to Michkov's dominance in a better league? Yes, Bedard is another half a year younger, but that does not make him better in itself.

I think you have a misreading concerning the careers of the two players. Sweden Elit is a much better streamlined league with a higher density of talent. Sweden is stronger than Russia (twice as many NHL players) and their best players are condensed into a 21-team league when MHL is made up of 33 teams.

So Sweden Elit U20 is clearly stronger than Russia Elit U20 (MHL). As already said, Bedard is the only player who achieved exceptional status in WHL. He's a prospect of the caliber of a Shane Wright and a Connor McDavid at the same age. One floor above Matthew Savoie. Even if I consider them to be very close, a Center is more valuable than a Winger.

Russian players approaching the course of Michkov there were some (Kucherov, Buchnevich). Bedard is unheard of in Western Canada.
 
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I think you have a misreading concerning the careers of the two players. Sweden Elit is a much better streamlined league with a higher density of talent. Sweden is stronger than Russia (twice as many NHL players) and their best players are condensed into a 21-team league when MHL is made up of 33 teams.

So Sweden Elit U20 is clearly stronger than Russia Elit U20 (MHL). As already said, Bedard is the only player who achieved exceptional status in WHL. He's a prospect of the caliber of a Shane Wright and a Connor McDavid at the same age. One floor above Matthew Savoie. Even if I consider them to be very close, a Center is more valuable than a Winger.

Russian players approaching the course of Michkov there were some (Kucherov, Buchnevich). Bedard is unheard of in Western Canada.
So much wrong in your post.

1."Sweden Elit is a much better streamlined league with a higher density of talent". Wrong. No matter if you mean the men's league or the U20.

2."Sweden is stronger than Russia (twice as many NHL players)" LOL Wrong. Who cares how many NHL players? Really? If that is your measuring stick you are already out to lunch.

3."and their best players are condensed into a 21-team league when MHL is made up of 33 teams." Wrong. Because you completely disregard the details.

-There are foreigners in the J20 Nationell. Three of them are top 10 in scoring. It is good for the league, but for your argument about Sweden's best players not so much.

-The best J20 Nationell has to offer among their top scorers are some later round picks here and there. Most though are undrafted 19 year olds. The MHL top scorers list is much more loaded with talent. The MHL is lead in PPG by players who already lay in the KHL or VHL against men and do some shorter stints in the MHL for different reasons. The players who lead the PPG list of players who play in the MHL only are projected first rounders for the upcoming NHL drafts like Ovchinnikov and Kisakov.

-The swedish league plays a around 40 games season. The MHL players are at 50 GP now.

-The SHL is considerably weaker than the KHL. Most of talented Swedes play there and not in the J20 Nationell. The jump form the MHL to the KHL is much tougher. The MHL is a better compettition overall by a margin.

The size of the league is quite irrelevant here. The talent level of Swedes playing in the U20 league overall is way below the MHL.

4."So Sweden Elit U20 is clearly stronger than Russia Elit U20 (MHL)". That is truly hilarious. The opposite is the case. And it's not even worth arguing.

5."As already said, Bedard is the only player who achieved exceptional status in WHL" That does not mean squat. We all know he is that kind of talent. Nobody tries to deny that So what?

6."He's a prospect of the caliber of a Shane Wright and a Connor McDavid at the same age." So what? Michkov is easily in that tier.

7."a Center is more valuable than a Winger." That has nothing to do with which player is better. It might affect their draft position, not who is the better player.

8."Russian players approaching the course of Michkov there were some (Kucherov, Buchnevich)". Comparing Michkov to Buchnevich is laughable. Michkov has beaten Kucherov's record and is cruising further away. That's the whole buzz, that he might be a generational level talent. At this point he is going into territory where no one was before him at that age in that league.

Bedard is without question an exceptional talent to watch. He and Michkov will probably go first and second in the draft, but to say that Bedard has shown anything of substance compared to Michkov is off the charts wrong at this point. Michkov is a dominating goal scorer in a Top 2 junior league if not the best junior league. Bedard is younger and gets the benfit of a doubt of course both because of age and the simple circumstance that it is not his fault he could not play yet. He has yet to play in the WHL. His couple of games in the swedish U20 league are too small of a sample size and the league is not that representative.
 
I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you.

I'm sure of my opinion.

Just take a look at the HV71 U20 roster. No MHL team comes close to this level.

I think you have a problem with evaluation or objectivity.

Sweden is better than Russia and has better prospects. Take a look at all the latest drafts it's obvious. Foreign players help strengthen the league. On the contrary, a league made up exclusively of national players is weaker than an internationalized league. This is also the reason why the KHL is stronger than the SHL. But this is mainly thanks to foreign players and the trend has faded very significantly compared to 10 years ago.

If MHL were the best junior league, the best Russians would not go to play in North America and the best Czech and Slovak players would go to play in MHL rather than Sweden or Finland.

I am not Russian, I am not Canadian, I am not Swedish. I'm not making a nationalist story of it. I tell you how I see things and I am deeply convinced that I have a point of view that is closer to reality than yours.

Good continuation.
 
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He's C, born in 2005 and the only Exceptionnal in WHL Only U16 player to have played in U20 Sweden. His career seems to me more exceptional than that of Michkov. Anyway the draft is over 2 years away
You just said you’re out of the loop on Russian players yet you’re heavily arguing against one of them
 
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You just said you’re out of the loop on Russian players yet you’re heavily arguing against one of them

Where i said it ? Currently my 2023 Draft Board is : 1 Bedard 2 Michkov Gulyayev top 10 no stress
 
I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you.

I'm sure of my opinion.

Just take a look at the HV71 U20 roster. No MHL team comes close to this level.

I think you have a problem with evaluation or objectivity.

Sweden is better than Russia and has better prospects. Take a look at all the latest drafts it's obvious. Foreign players help strengthen the league. On the contrary, a league made up exclusively of national players is weaker than an internationalized league. This is also the reason why the KHL is stronger than the SHL. But this is mainly thanks to foreign players and the trend has faded very significantly compared to 10 years ago.

If MHL were the best junior league, the best Russians would not go to play in North America and the best Czech and Slovak players would go to play in MHL rather than Sweden or Finland.

I am not Russian, I am not Canadian, I am not Swedish. I'm not making a nationalist story of it. I tell you how I see things and I am deeply convinced that I have a point of view that is closer to reality than yours.

Good continuation.
I can not agree with you, totally out of reality.

Regarding "the best Czech and Slovak players" They go to Sweden & Finland for just one reason - both countries are the EU members, while Russia is not. And Sweden/Finland signed a transfer agreement with NHL while Russia (all their leagues) not. This agreement is a very terrible agreement for Finnish/Swedish etc clubs, but it is very good news for players, who can do whatever they want.

Russians going to Canadian/US major juniors have also one reasoning - agents recommend it due to NA myth & transfer rules.

But we should ask something else - while Swedish/Finnish/American/Canadian junior teams are taking players from abroad, I am asking how much money do they pay to the players´ original clubs in Slovakia etc??
 
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I can not agree with you, totally out of reality.

Regarding "the best Czech and Slovak players" They go to Sweden & Finland for just one reason - both countries are the EU members, while Russia is not. And Sweden/Finland signed a transfer agreement with NHL while Russia (all their leagues) not. This agreement is a very terrible agreement for Finnish/Swedish etc clubs, but it is very good news for players, who can do whatever they want.

Russians going to Canadian/US major juniors have also one reasoning - agents recommend it due to NA myth & transfer rules.

But we should ask something else - while Swedish/Finnish/American/Canadian junior teams are taking players from abroad, I am asking how much money do they pay to the players´ original clubs in Slovakia etc??

Let's admit. But that doesn't change the fact that the Swedish U20 league is higher than the MHL.

The point 1 is that the majority of the best Russian players are leaving Russia while Sweden attracts talented foreign players.
The point 2 is, Sweden produces more good players than Russia.
The point 3 is that there are a lot fewer clubs in U20 Sweden than in MHL.
 
I still would like to know the answer to this question below. It is the most important question regarding the players´ development.

But we should ask something else - while Swedish/Finnish/American/Canadian junior teams are taking players from abroad, I am asking how much money do they pay to the players´ original clubs in Slovakia etc??
 
I don't have the answer but if it does I don't think it's large sums.

The best Slovak players like Dvorsky or Slafkovsky leave because they want to and because it seems to fit into a development strategy. It is not the money that drives their decision.

If I were in their shoes, I would make exactly the same choice. Sweden and Finland are the best places to develop because that's where the talent density is best concentrated, because the junior leagues are better segmented in terms of age (U16, U18, U20) , because at the end of the junior cursus, it is easier to find a place in the professional league before going to NHL.
 
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You just showed that you do not care about the well-being of their original clubs but only about their career. That is exactly how it should not work in the first place because we risk the bankruptcy/cancellation of the small clubs/leagues. That is not the way we should go.
 
You would be unable to say which is the home club of Dvorsky and Slafkovsky.

Dvorsky left very early (13 years old) and played in 5 different teams. Slafkovsky left at 14 and played in 4 teams.

They have no economic impact. These are just teenagers who play hockey.

Locking the players into their childhood club is not the solution. The failure of the USSR proves it.
The vocation of Dvorsky and Slafkovsky is to play in NHL at 20 and to travel all over the world. Not to stay in their childhood club.
 
So, I recommend you to re-read my posts because I am not sure you get the point.
 

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