Olympics: Russia possibly disqualified from Pyeongchang (UPD: IOC Suspends Team Russia)

[The Shovel Penguin]

Oh well. I don't feel sorry for anyone involved. Actions have consequences.

 

[KrejciMVP]

Draconian measures are required if there shall ever be an end to doping in sports. This is the right decision and one that should teach them a lesson. I feel sorry for clean and innocent Russian athletes but when the government's behind it all it this had to be done. Russia ought to be stripped off the World Cup as well if FIFA had any balls

who is going to teach the NFL and MLB a lesson?

 

[Ezekial]

Doesn't matter, Ovie's just gonna skip the ban anyway.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

How does this even make sense? Ban people who didn't cheat?

What? Its baffling, and the IOC's showcase event in the Winter Olympics is even further out the window than it already was with their NHL fiasco.

IOC is as corrupt as they come.

 

[TheSituation]

How does this even make sense? Ban people who didn't cheat?

What? Its baffling, and the IOC's showcase event in the Winter Olympics is even further out the window than it already was with their NHL fiasco.

IOC is as corrupt as they come.

Russia cheated, and they got caught. The evidence is extremely damning. Innocent athletes will get a chance to compete after review.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Russia cheated, and they got caught. The evidence is extremely damning. Innocent athletes will get a chance to compete after review.

Innocent athletes who play non-team sports will, which has nothing to do with this thread.

 

[saskriders]

who is going to teach the NFL and MLB a lesson?

The IOC has nothing to do with the NFL or MLB. The NFL and MLB should have no impact on what the IOC does.

[MOD] too bad for you that you that the facts are that Russia had a state-run program to promote doping for their athletes. This was Russia, not individual athletes, not the US, [MOD], but Russia.

 

[Jablkon]

How does this even make sense? Ban people who didn't cheat?

What? Its baffling, and the IOC's showcase event in the Winter Olympics is even further out the window than it already was with their NHL fiasco.

IOC is as corrupt as they come.

Because it was a massive breach? State organized system of covering manipulating with samples is quite a massive breach.

 

[kunekune]

Russia cheated, and they got caught. The evidence is extremely damning. Innocent athletes will get a chance to compete after review.

Some of them did.

But all the bans are just from one guys testimony.

Like one athlete was banned from the olympic games because mr. Rodchenkov thought she has too many pimples in her face which means she uses doping.

 

[TheSituation]

Innocent athletes who play non-team sports will, which has nothing to do with this thread.

This is to punish the federation. It's a state sponsored doping system and they got caught. Corruption??? You can't honestly be screaming that???

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Because it was a massive breach? State organized system of covering manipulating with samples is quite a massive breach.

So punish those who had no part of it? Take away their chance to compete? Why not punish those who did?

 

[TheSituation]

Some of them did.

But all the bans are just from one guys testimony.

Like one athlete was banned from the olympic games because mr. Rodchenkov thought she has too many pimples in her face which means she uses doping.

This is not heresay by any means.

Wada says database confirms McLaren report on Russia doping

 

[Jugitsu]

Some of them did.

But all the bans are just from one guys testimony.

Like one athlete was banned from the olympic games because mr. Rodchenkov thought she has too many pimples in her face which means she uses doping.

One guy, who was in pretty deep in the system. Several Russian athletes have also come forward, as seen in the Icarus document.

How about IOC takes a good look at Norway next. Their winter athletes all suffer from asthma.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

This is to punish the federation. It's a state sponsored doping system and they got caught. Corruption??? You can't honestly be screaming that???

Yes, IOC is as corrupt as they come. Them and FIFA.

If there was corruption within Russia's Olympic system, those who were corrupt should be punished, no issue with that. Punishing athletes who had no part of it? A complete joke.

 

[Jablkon]

So punish those who had no part of it? Take away their chance to compete? Why not punish those who did?

I guess thats what they did. They punished Russia as a member of IOC.

 

[PunkRockLocke]

Catching up on this topic a little bit late...

Do we think the KHL will not allow any player with a KHL contract to go to the Olympics, regardless of nationality?

Will there be enough 'clean' non-NHL Russian hockey players to form a "Olympic Athletes from Russia" team, not under the Russian flag? I suppose probably not.

I guess the door is now wide open for Canada, USA, Sweden to take hockey gold in 2018

 

[saskriders]

So I don't know entirely how to feel about the specific ruling. While I do agree that the punishment had to be directed at the Russian state for running the program, I also feel that individual athletes who did not cheat should not be punished. While this ruling does not punish individual athletes, I think it doesn't go far enough to punish the Russian state. It is almost going to be like some alternate universe where Russia changed their name to "Unified Team" and their flag to the Olympic flag for two weeks. Everyone is going to know who the Russians are, and the medals will still be Russian medals in all but the official record. I think an appropriate punishment for the Russian state would be to completely band Russians so they not only can't participate, but also can't have any success at all. But at the same time I think that would be too unfair towards the individual athletes who did not cheat.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

lol, is this going to be Finland vs Sweden olympics?

 

[bottomofthefoodchain]

Yes, IOC is as corrupt as they come. Them and FIFA.

If there was corruption within Russia's Olympic system, those who were corrupt should be punished, no issue with that. Punishing athletes who had no part of it? A complete joke.

So they can replace a couple of guys and do the same thing all over again you mean?

 

[Jablkon]

I guess this is the basis for it https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/20160718_ip_report_newfinal.pdf

 

[IslesNorway]

If they only banned the individuals caught it would be a personal punishment and not what the IOC and the world wants and demands - they'd only trash those athletes and find new ones to dope, like they always have. The IOC chickened out in Rio but thankfully they did put the foot down here.

The big question is this makes Putin and his cronies see the error of their ways and start playing fair, or if they just take things even further

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I guess thats what they did. They punished Russia as a member of IOC.

They punished the athletes, which makes no sense. Dilutes the brand of the Olympics, and punishes people who had no part in the cheating.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

So they can replace a couple of guys and do the same thing all over again you mean?

So you are okay with those who've worked their whole lives to get to the Olympics and are clean not being allowed to compete because some person in their country who they might've never heard of cheated?

 

[TheSituation]

I can't see Putin allowing Russian athletes to compete. Russians will boy cott.

 

[Jugitsu]

They punished the athletes, which makes no sense. Dilutes the brand of the Olympics, and punishes people who had no part in the cheating.

The athletes can still participate and win medals and accomplish success as individuals, what they've been practicing long and hard for. What's the problem?