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What's a reasonable off season offer for Eakin? Does his value increase if the Jets make the playoffs?
I know Cirelli's name gets thrown out a lot, but in my opinion the Jets aren't in a position to trade assets.
If anything has been evident in Chevy's approach it's that he has tried to develop players together, Scheifele, has grown since Wheeler has taken over as his winger. Connor has grown into a top line winger with Scheifele. Ehlers and Laine have developed pretty good chemistry. Copp-Lowry have grown into defensive aces. Roslovic, Appleton, Harkins through the A. The more you play together, the more familiar you are. Constantly changing parts, means that you change your styles to fit new ones, unless they come in as a fit. Stastny. Eakin. For example.
Similarly our defense was pretty much the same over 3 consecutive seasons. This year has been a total reset. You have Morrissey and Pionk to build around now.
If there is an offseason trade I am kind of expecting it's Roslovic, because Claude Lemieux will try to get his client a better location to make more money. I could see a trade with Buffalo for one of their RD. Roslovic and Niku for Ristolainen? Potentially 2 players you wouldn't protect in an expansion draft for 1 you would. Ristolainen seems like a guy that could take off, if he ever gets out of Buffalo.
I know Cirelli's name gets thrown out a lot, but in my opinion the Jets aren't in a position to trade assets.
If anything has been evident in Chevy's approach it's that he has tried to develop players together, Scheifele, has grown since Wheeler has taken over as his winger. Connor has grown into a top line winger with Scheifele. Ehlers and Laine have developed pretty good chemistry. Copp-Lowry have grown into defensive aces. Roslovic, Appleton, Harkins through the A. The more you play together, the more familiar you are. Constantly changing parts, means that you change your styles to fit new ones, unless they come in as a fit. Stastny. Eakin. For example.
Similarly our defense was pretty much the same over 3 consecutive seasons. This year has been a total reset. You have Morrissey and Pionk to build around now.
If there is an offseason trade I am kind of expecting it's Roslovic, because Claude Lemieux will try to get his client a better location to make more money. I could see a trade with Buffalo for one of their RD. Roslovic and Niku for Ristolainen? Potentially 2 players you wouldn't protect in an expansion draft for 1 you would. Ristolainen seems like a guy that could take off, if he ever gets out of Buffalo.
I don't think Risto will "take off". I could be wrong, but he seems to just not have high hockey sense. Also, he only has 2 years left before UFA, so if he does become really good, he'll be very expensive to re-sign.
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I don't think simply making the PO affects Eakin's value. If he plays really well in the PO it does. His 2 pts last game gets his scoring into the pace you would like to see to retain him. But when 1 good game can make that kind of difference we are still dealing with too small a sample to nail it down. If he maintains his current pace he would score 7 more pts in the remaining 12 games. That would be 11 pts in 19 gms with the Jets. That's more than he scored in 41 games with VGK this year. He would have 21 pts in 60 games for the year. That would be a 28-29 pt pace for a full year. Is that what you pay on? Or do you extrapolate his scoring with the Jets, a 42 pt pace? He is currently getting 3.85 mil. So 4 mil might be the number. Or not, depending on his play the rest of this year. He might push it a little higher.
Jets are in no position to trade assets because they need to hold on to them to get a 2C with. If Cirelli is in fact available, we should go all in to get him. Eakin can walk.
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Well you have to think of what Tampa needs in a Cap crunch if they traded him. A 3c and a defenseman to replace what they are losing at value. So would you trade Samberg and Gus to get Cirelli? I wouldn't. I'd keep Eakin. Develop Gus into the potential role. And move Harkins into 4c, see if he could move up to 2c, if Eakin doesn't fit.
I think the 2C problem is overblown. Because a series of strong wingers helps a lot, and we have moveable pieces (Wheeler, Roslovic, Copp, Harkins, etc) as stop gaps. We also may have Little for depth . I am more concerned about our depth at RD next year. Pionk is the only viable offensive player on the right side. De Melo re-signing helps, but that is still one injury away from moving Poolman up to the top 4. If the injury was Pionk, boy there is not a replacement, unless you somehow believe Niku is going to make a huge leap. Or Gawanke could step in. I am not sure either is likely. I would be surprised if the Jets don't draft for both these positions next year, with their first 2 picks, which in no way would I sacrifice for any player, especially not Cirelli. I don't buy high on a player... Who I honestly don't think is going anywhere.
I agree that Eakin is a tale of 2 seasons. He was stuck on the bottom lines this year with the Knights, whereas he produced more when Stastny was out the previous season. There isn't a lot of talent on the bottom line wings in Vegas. He could exceed his Vegas point totals with the Jets. Case of being in the right place at the right time or doing the right things with the right players? The market might decide this one. I think the number could get as high as 4, if we make the playoffs and he does well.
Wait and see, I guess.
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Wouldn't trade Gus and Samberg for outside anything other then a Number 1 D man or Number 1 center. I think they are both low top tier prospects IMO. You don't move them for depth. Both guys could easily feature next year. I am leaning that with Gus's recent play in the AHL that he is trending up from 3C to 2C in the future.
I am fine with a vet stop-gap 2C option if this org believes Gus can be a high quality top 6C within a couple years. However, if not, there is no viable long-term top 6 C option in the system currently. Cirelli would solve that as he's only 23.
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No, I wouldn't trade Samberg and Gus to get Cirelli. If that is what it takes then I don't do it. Mostly what TBL will want is low cost return. I will offer futures. If that doesn't get it done, it doesn't get it done.
TBL have plenty of C's. Their alternatives may not be as good as Cirelli but TBL is going to have to lose something to the cap crunch. That's the way it works.
I don't see any sign of Gus ever becoming a top 6 player. That can change of course, but he has never been a great scorer, at any level. I think Harkins and Rosie have better chances of becoming 2C's - and I don't like their chances.
The 2C problem has already cost us two 1sts + add ons. That was when Little was younger and healthier. It has only gotten worse.
It is a lot more important to re-sign DeMelo than it is to retain Eakin. Eakin may be an adequate stopgap. He is looking good but the jury is still out, IMO. But if he continues to perform well he could buy time to draft and develop a solution.
Every D corps in the league is 1 injury away from moving a depth player into the top 4. I will be concerned with that problem after we have a top 4. DeMelo and Samberg will give us that. We will still have a good bunch of prospects. Assuming DeMelo is retained, I think the D corps rebuild is well under way.
I don't expect anything from Niku. Kovacevic is the most likely Rd to be next to move up. I think he might push Poolman down next year.
You apparently don't much like Cirelli. That is an entirely different argument than the one you have been making. I'm saying go hard for Cirelli on the belief that he is what we need. If he is not the guy, then obviously I don't want to spend our assets on him.
Yes, wait and see on Eakins. Looking good so far. I would happily give him 4 if he can actually make trading for Cirelli unnecessary. Use that 1st I would trade to grab Schneider. There's the RHD you want.
Gus has 7 points in his last 7 games in the AHL. He actually scored at very good level in the Swedish top league given his usage was predominantly bottom 6. He also has scored really well against his peer ago groups outside the world junior hockey championships but was still a key part of Swedens top line.
He is now getting first line minutes in the AHL at age 19 and is contributing all over the ice. I am absolutely not going to write him off as a legit two-way 2C like a Backlund.
I don't understand how anyone could possibly believe that Eakin is a long term fit at 2C.
The guy is 28 and has fairly consistently been a mid 30's point player outside of that career shooting year.
I have zero interest paying 4 million for an aging third line guy no matter how he performs down the stretch.
They need to go for an established option imo not a bandaid.
The guy is 28 and has fairly consistently been a mid 30's point player outside of that career shooting year.
I have zero interest paying 4 million for an aging third line guy no matter how he performs down the stretch.
They need to go for an established option imo not a bandaid.
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Eakins is exactly the player I was arguing with @Mortimer Snerd that we need. A player that is not a top 6 on his own but Laine and Ehlers make up for his shortcomings with their O and he just has to worry about D. He also can't demand a lot of money because as soon as he is without those guys he is not a top 6 guy. He is a bottom 6 guy who is playing beyond his spot just like Copp would be. Granted he is a stop gap measure while they hopefully get someone better but for the moment it works.
isn't this what we had in Little? And how did that work out? ELL was a terrible line. Ehlers and Laine have improved over time, however, I think we still need a creative C to be able to contribute offensively. Eakin is not that methinks.
I have no interest to keep Eakin. He hasn't been great, we would be better served to turf him and just keep using Little.
Disagree. I think Little is a low 2c at worst. Eakins is not even that.
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12 pts in 36 gms is not much. Why was his usage bottom 6 in SHL? Yes, I know he was young. Can you compare that number to other NHL'ers who -played in that league at that age? Same goes for prior years and younger peer groups.
He had a good WJC but i don't believe in overvaluing that short tournament. His recent AHL performance is encouraging but you are looking at another very small sample.
I am not saying that 4th line is his ceiling - but I think it is where he projects right now. If he can bump that up to 3rd line, great. 2nd line, even better. But I will continue to pencil him into the 4th line until after he raises my expectations.
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Link me to that argument. I can't remember which one it was.What we really need is a player who is top 6 in his own right. Ehlers and Laine are not defensively weak - at all. They don't need a defensive specialist to support them. They need a legit top 6 C who can get the max out of their scoring ability while not being a defensive liability.
For the moment it might be working. Still too small a sample, but looks promising.
I don't mind a stopgap if it works. I would prefer to draft and develop a C instead of paying a big price for one.
With the talk around here you'd think Ehlers doesn't need anything other than more minutes to be productive.
What we really need is a player who is top 6 in his own right. Ehlers and Laine are not defensively weak - at all. They don't need a defensive specialist to support them. They need a legit top 6 C who can get the max out of their scoring ability while not being a defensive liability.
For the moment it might be working. Still too small a sample, but looks promising.
I don't mind a stopgap if it works. I would prefer to draft and develop a C instead of paying a big price for one.
So isn't that kind of the point? we need an upgrade at 2C superior to both Eakin and Little.
That's like saying we need 2 1c's. I think Little would be better if paired with guys who play his style of game which is north to South. The results would be better with Connor and Wheeler. We have strengths in the wings you can't have the best everything in a salary cap NHL you need good enough to win.
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Regarding Eakins, I think it's a moot point of him being here beyond this season. I just have a feeling that he would rather be somewhere else.
Nothing to back that up, mind you. For all I know, he might be willing to stay here. I just wouldn't bet money on it.
Nothing to back that up, mind you. For all I know, he might be willing to stay here. I just wouldn't bet money on it.
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He's not 23 until July.
I think it is premature to be projecting Gus as a top 6 player. He is doing very well lately but I want to see it sustained for a longer period. I'm starting to think he might be a 3C instead of a 4C. Maybe.
I want to save our 1st to draft a future top 6 C. But if we can spend it getting an already developed and proven top 6 C that becomes unnecessary.
i think Gus might surprise a lot of people. it's funny listening to guys like Munz try to project him. I've heard him label Gus a long-term 4C, like f*** off he's 19 he could easily develop into a very good middle 6 player. he played like 5 mins a night with Luoto and some other plug in the NHL, at 19. How can you expect him to succeed with that usage.
Who is young and also cost controlled that he doesn't take all Laine's money before Laine can demand it.
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