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[Tobias Kahun]

And McLeod's transition play is so much better that he puts up better defensive numbers than Henrique anyway. What's the point of having better in-zone defense if the puck stays in your zone for significantly longer and the opponent gets more time to generate scoring chances?

I dont disagree that McLeod is way better in transition.

I think keeping McLeod instead of Skinner was the play.

 

[McFlash97]

With how much Kulak has improved and Nurse finding his game again , no need to make changes to the top 4. Oilers need a depth defenseman who can skate and hit and is still relatively young and a forward who is also relatively young, has some playoff experience and can move.

 

[Soundwave]

Shutdown line players often have excellent fancies lol, what are you talking about? And even if you want to ignore analytics, Henrique's actual production itself is awful too. Our penalty kill is also much worse in part because of replacing McLeod with him (yes I'm aware that losing Desharnais and Skinner's terrible start are bigger reasons).

Desharnais sucks, the PK had a transition period but now looks the same as last year.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Never disagreed with that. But the results show that McLeod put up significantly better defensive numbers with the 2023-24 Oilers than Henrique did on the 2024-25 Oilers despite this current team actually having better defensive structure and support, and the eye test would suggest this too with how often McLeod was the guy carrying the puck out for us. It's possible that Henrique plays better as the year progresses, but until he does we've gotten ourselves a downgrade at 3C.

How many minutes has Henrique spent with Draisaitl vs McLeod.

McLeod was also useless when not paired with Draisaitl.

 

[belair]

Was going to ask the same thing, but don't think we need Sissons either.

We don't need anyone right now. But in the playoffs, it pays dividends having a 4C that can hold his own against elite competition. The Oilers have the best forward depth they've had possibly ever. Sissons would be a tremendous utility forward who normally wouldn't even be available.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

We don't need anyone right now. But in the playoffs, it pays dividends having a 4C that can hold his own against elite competition. The Oilers have the best forward depth they've had possibly ever. Sissons would be a tremendous utility forward who normally wouldn't even be available.

having 13-14 nhl forwards and 7-8 nhl D is key for the playoffs when attrition plays a roll, especially with teams like vegas who are more interested in just injuring players than actually playing.

 

[belair]

Desharnais sucks, the PK had a transition period but now looks the same as last year.

The only thing I miss about Desh is that Skinner is his BFF. Good for morale. But without question his play was slipping last season.

 

[TheNumber4]

McLeod's in zone defense is infinitely worse than henriques.

Nah. It was fine. Defence was good in transition too.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

The only thing I miss about Desh is his that Skinner is his BFF. Good for morale. But without question his play was slipping last season.

If Desh was league minimum - 1m like the josh brown contract.

Id take him back anyday.

hes fine as a 6-8 level D.

 

[TheNumber4]

As it stands now. Mcleod would be providing better value than Henrique at 3M.

That can change if Henriques season starts trending up. And that can change when it matters most in the playoffs.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Nah. It was fine. Defence was good in transition too.

His In-zone defense is similar to McDavid where they constantly lose their guy but transition the puck so well it hides the flaws.

As it stands now. Mcleod would be providing better value than Henrique at 3M.

That can change if Henriques season starts trending up. And that can change when it matters most in the playoffs.

Henrique has been awesome the last 10-15 games.

 

[Soundwave]

If Desh was league minimum - 1m like the josh brown contract.

Id take him back anyday.

hes fine as a 6-8 level D.

He was only "fine" because of the elite defensive system Knob/Coffey. I think we need to understand there's an inflationary effect happening here, much like that one year in Calgary for the Flames where Sutter made even Gudbranson look good and he rode that one year all the way to a multi-year $4 million dollar contract with Columbus and went straight back to being ass.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

I dont disagree that McLeod is way better in transition.

I think keeping McLeod instead of Skinner was the play.

Yeah Skinner is definitely in discussion for the worst forward on the team. I can't believe how excited I was about the move. Too busy fawning over the goal numbers and not paying attention to Skinner's actual playstyle and fit with the team, although I think a lot of us were guilty of that.

How many minutes has Henrique spent with Draisaitl vs McLeod.

McLeod was also useless when not paired with Draisaitl.

This season? Basically none, but Henrique did get a decent amount of time with Draisaitl soon after we acquired him last season and did nothing with it. He didn't actually do anything for us in the LA series either and only started producing after being slotted between Janmark/Brown who were on a heater last playoffs for some reason.

Desharnais sucks, the PK had a transition period but now looks the same as last year.

Desharnais doesn't suck. He was actually great value as a 1 million dollar 6/7th dman. He just can't handle players with elite speed and you can't pay a player anywhere close to 2 million for a situational depth dman like Vancouver did.

 

[timekeep]

We don't need anyone right now. But in the playoffs, it pays dividends having a 4C that can hold his own against elite competition. The Oilers have the best forward depth they've had possibly ever. Sissons would be a tremendous utility forward who normally wouldn't even be available.

No doubt we need some depth and not just forwards.

 

[TheNumber4]

The only thing I miss about Desh is his that Skinner is his BFF. Good for morale. But without question his play was slipping last season.

Really I thought he got better as the year went on. Showed more ability than we thought he was capable. But then he faulted in the playoffs when the games got faster and his puck moving couldn’t keep up. In a 3rd pair role at 1M he’s fine.

People think he absolutely sucks now cause that clown Tochett can’t coach him. In our system he was fine.

 

[Soundwave]

Yeah Skinner is definitely in discussion for the worst forward on the team. I can't believe how excited I was about the move. Too busy fawning over the goal numbers and not paying attention to Skinner's actual playstyle and fit with the team, although I think a lot of us were guilty of that.

This season? Basically none, but Henrique did get a decent amount of time with Draisaitl soon after we acquired him last season and did nothing with it. He didn't actually do anything for us in the LA series either and only started producing after being slotted between Janmark/Brown who were on a heater last playoffs for some reason.

Skinner has 6 goals which isn't bad considering he gets virtually no top 6 time.

He also has 4 points in his last 5 games ... maybe again we should not chase players out of the city because of a poor start when they are new here.

A one shot scorer can be very valuable in a playoff round.

 

[TheNumber4]

His In-zone defense is similar to McDavid where they constantly lose their guy but transition the puck so well it hides the flaws.


Henrique has been awesome the last 10-15 games.

He’s been good this last stretch, dunno if I’d say awesome. But he’s trending up along with his line. Janny is really helping too.

We should really discount the first… what 10 games that entail the Cup Hangover portion of the season.

Just like last year we should have discounted anything we saw in the Woody era.

So anyone slumping in that first 10 games, and that’s nearly everyone, they get a pass from me.

 

[Soundwave]

He’s been good this last stretch, dunno if I’d say awesome. But he’s trending up along with his line. Janny is really helping too.

The bottom 6 is starting to find some traction

Jeff Skinner has 4 points in his last 5 games, 6 goals overall
Henrique has 6 points in his last 11 games
Perry has 6 goals
Brown has 5 goals and has already tied his point total from last year
Janmark is actually on pace for a career high in points, lol

So at least some positive things are happening there.

 

[TheNumber4]

If Desh was league minimum - 1m like the josh brown contract.

Id take him back anyday.

hes fine as a 6-8 level D.

See like everyone wants to say he’s a 1M player. Sure. For us that is what makes sense cause we can plug any sub-average defenceman into knobs system and they are fine.

But compare Josh Brown to Vinny straight up. He’s a way better player than Josh Brown.

The bottom 6 is starting to find some traction

Jeff Skinner has 4 points in his last 5 games, 6 goals overall
Henrique has 6 points in his last 11 games
Perry has 6 goals
Brown has 5 goals and has already tied his point total from last year
Janmark is actually on pace for a career high in points, lol

So at least some positive things are happening there.

I’ve never given up on any of these guys. Had a feeling they’d come around and gel. It’s still early days and there was the cup hangover. This team that’s rounding into form now, is our true form.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

He’s been good this last stretch, dunno if I’d say awesome. But he’s trending up along with his line. Janny is really helping too.

We should really discount the first… what 10 games that entail the Cup Hangover portion of the season.

Just like last year we should have discounted anything we saw in the Woody era.

So anyone slumping in that first 10 games, and that’s nearly everyone, they get a pass from me.

I think keeping Henrique AND McLeod was the play.

I think they both add value.

 

[TheNumber4]

I think keeping Henrique AND McLeod was the play.

I think they both add value.

When Rico first resigned, I thought that’s what we were going to do. Henrique at 3C. And Mcleod as one of the better 4Cs in this League you could have. Ryan sitting.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

When Rico first resigned, I thought that’s what we were going to do. Henrique at 3C. And Mcleod as one of the better 4Cs in this League you could have. Ryan sitting.

I think McLeod on Henriques wing is the play.

McLeod brings speed to that line and Henrique brings everything else.

 

[belair]

I dont disagree that McLeod is way better in transition.

I think keeping McLeod instead of Skinner was the play.

And not getting Savoie? Are you sure you don't mean Holloway?

 

[TheNumber4]

I think McLeod on Henriques wing is the play.

McLeod brings speed to that line and Henrique brings everything else.

I dont know. As a Center Mcleod covers alot of ice with his speed and defensive awareness. He could also keep pucks in the o-zone and drive possession. He can keep the puck on his stick and wheel around with it, getting the cycle going.

The warts with Mcleod and why the fanbase turned on him, is spotty production and lack of physicality. Other than that, I think his game was fine. And his lack of physicality is also a feature over our team overall.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

And not getting Savoie? Are you sure you don't mean Holloway?

I like getting Savoie back, but I dont think hes going to help us this year where McLeod would of.

I dont know. As a Center Mcleod covers alot of ice with his speed and defensive awareness. He could also keep pucks in the o-zone and drive possession. He can keep the puck on his stick and wheel around with it, getting the cycle going.

The warts with Mcleod and why the fanbase turned on him, is spotty production and lack of physicality. Other than that, I think his game was fine. And his lack of physicality is also a feature over our team overall.

McLeod was miles better on Draisaitl's wing than he was as a center.