Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | The Oilers Biggest Roster Need Is?

[McTonyBrar]

Our defense is top 5 in the league by every metric. This team is excellent at preventing scoring chances against and high danger chances against. The defence is bad is a lazy narrative pushed by some our worst media (Gazzola). Skinner is dead last in goals saved above expected. Behind all back ups and 3rd stringers

Man stop looking at friggin metrics and look on the ice. Our breakout game is AWFUL. Defence doesn't just mean not allowing goals. It means breaking the puck out tape to tape, transition game, our rush game, moving forward. We are not good at things like that. We can't have McDavid go end to end with the puck every shift. How are people not getting this? Last 2 Stanley Cup Teams had really good puck movers.

FLA: Ekblad, Forsling, OEL, Montour (i believe he was on the team)

VGK: Pietrangelo, Theodore, Martinez

It's not a coincidence

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

What he’s doing makes no sense. Poille was starting the rebuild before he left then Trotz took over and looked like he was trying to make Nashville competitive but now looks like he’s going to retool.

I kinda respect it haha he took a big swing and missed. Most GMs would be too stubborn to admit it.

 

[McTonyBrar]

The better puckmovers we have on defence, the more we have the puck as well

 

[soothsayer]

So they're selling? I wonder what Stamkos thinks of his choice now

There were whispers of Saros' availability before he re-signed. If there's any daylight there, the Oilers should do everything it takes. He would make this team a cup favourite overnight.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Man stop looking at friggin metrics and look on the ice. Our breakout game is AWFUL. Defence doesn't just mean not allowing goals. It means breaking the puck out tape to tape, transition game, our rush game, moving forward. We are not good at things like that. We can't have McDavid go end to end with the puck every shift. How are people not getting this? Last 2 Stanley Cup Teams had really good puck movers.

FLA: Ekblad, Forsling, OEL, Montour (i believe he was on the team)

VGK: Pietrangelo, Theodore, Martinez

It's not a coincidence

They also had… way better goaltending.

 

[McShogun99]

There were whispers of Saros' availability before he re-signed. If there's any daylight there, the Oilers should do everything it takes. He would make this team a cup favourite overnight.

Now that they traded Askarov it would probably take a really good offer to get Saros, if he's even available.

 

[GOilers88]

League average but bottom of the barrel starter wise. That’s not good enough behind a team that statistically allows very little. He is a massive reason (not the only one) why we start everyone season in the toilet.

He ends up rebounding and ending up average only to be below average in the playoffs again.

2.6 million should get you way better than what skinner is currently giving us. It’s not a lot of money but it’s not 70th + ranked goalie in the league money either.

Average goaltending is exactly what I would expect a team to have when they're only spending three and a half on the position entirely. Seems like pretty good value to me.

 

[McTonyBrar]

They also had… way better goaltending.

Not really by a lot. Bob isn't some superstar and neither was Hill. They had Top Dmen like Pietrangelo, Theodore and then Ekblad and Forsling

 

[soothsayer]

Now that they traded Askarov it would probably take a really good offer to get Saros, if he's even available.

I definitely agree. The time to strike was when they still had Askarov. I'd be shocked if Saros were available, but I would still hope that's an opportunity the Oilers explore.

 

[soothsayer]

Not really by a lot. Bob isn't some superstar and neither was Hill. They had Top Dmen like Pietrangelo, Theodore and then Ekblad and Forsling

I get what you're saying, but both of those goalies single-handedly won games against the Oilers. Bobrovsky in particular was the only reason Florida won two of their games. He also held down the fort in game 7 while Skinner gave up a backbreaker that cost the cup.

That's the big difference between a top goalie and someone who is in over their head. Top goalies steal games for their teams, and in the playoffs, than can be the difference between another early playoff exit and winning the cup. The Oilers virtually never win games because of their goaltending alone.

 

[McTonyBrar]

I get what you're saying, but both of those goalies single-handedly won games against the Oilers. Bobrovsky in particular was the only reason Florida won two of their games. He also held down the fort in game 7 while Skinner gave up a backbreaker that cost the cup.

That's the big difference between a top goalie and someone who is in over their head. Top goalies steal games for their teams, and in the playoffs, than can be the difference between another early playoff exit and winning the cup. The Oilers virtually never win games because of their goaltending alone.

Fair enough but I still think our biggest need is a 2nd pair Dman. We've haven't had a good on in a long time

 

[soothsayer]

Fair enough but I still think our biggest need is a 2nd pair Dman. We've haven't had a good on in a long time

I don't totally disagree. But I think, if they don't upgrade their goaltending, they need a legitimate 2/3 dman, like a Pulock or Parayko. Someone like Marcus Pettersson or Ristolainen isn't going to cut it. If they upgrade goaltending, they might be able to get by with a 4/5 upgrade on D.

 

[Soundwave]

Not really by a lot. Bob isn't some superstar and neither was Hill. They had Top Dmen like Pietrangelo, Theodore and then Ekblad and Forsling

Bob has been a star goalie in this league, he has won the Vezina trophy twice and has the ability to elevate his game sky high.

Hill played .930+ in the playoffs, that's superstar level goaltending.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Average goaltending is exactly what I would expect a team to have when they're only spending three and a half on the position entirely. Seems like pretty good value to me.

I don’t know why you are lumping Pickards salary in with Skinners. No one is saying Pickard is not good bang for our buck.

You think 2.6 million for a goalie that shits the bed every start of the season and has some of the worst playoff numbers in history is good value? Finishing around LEAGUE average playing behind a solid chance suppressing team when you are also including all the back ups and third stringers isn’t good.

Pickard is proof any goalie with their head screwed on properly can do fine here. He was in the AHL for half a decade and is still better than Skinner.

 

[Soundwave]

Barring anything better, just spend a 2nd on Cam Talbot (maybe with some retention), at least you got a window of two years with someone who is better than Skinner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, McDavid and Draisaitl solved him in the playoffs, because they know him inside out, other teams won't have that advantage otherwise Talbot would be sitting with a sub .890 save percentage like Skinner is.

I thought Jusso Valimaki looked ok last night, maybe someone like him should be a target for the D.

I don't think we necessarily have to go after someone in the 4-6+ range. We should have honestly been more aggressive in keeping tabs on Nashville and Fabbro, that would've solved the D issues largely right there.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Barring anything better, just spend a 2nd on Cam Talbot (maybe with some retention), at least you got a window of two years with someone who is better than Skinner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, McDavid and Draisaitl solved him in the playoffs, because they know him inside out, other teams won't have that advantage otherwise Talbot would be sitting with a sub .890 save percentage like Skinner is.

I thought Jusso Valimaki looked ok last night, maybe someone like him should be a target for the D.

I don't think we necessarily have to go after someone in the 4-6+ range. We should have honestly been more aggressive in keeping tabs on Nashville and Fabbro, that would've been a fine fit too.

Problem with Talbot is he still giving up a goal in the first 30 seconds of the game. Different between the situations of the WIngs and Oilers are like night and day. OIlers are in win now mode and the Wings are still trying to find 2nd gear. There is a reason why Talbot is on his 6th team since leaving Edmonton

 

[McTonyBrar]

I don't totally disagree. But I think, if they don't upgrade their goaltending, they need a legitimate 2/3 dman, like a Pulock or Parayko. Someone like Marcus Pettersson or Ristolainen isn't going to cut it. If they upgrade goaltending, they might be able to get by with a 4/5 upgrade on D.

Unfortunately, I Don't think we have the assets for Parayko. The rest I think we can acquire

 

[Soundwave]

Problem with Talbot is he still giving up a goal in the first 30 seconds of the game. Different between the situations of the WIngs and Oilers are like night and day. OIlers are in win now mode and the Wings are still trying to find 2nd gear. There is a reason why Talbot is on his 6th team since leaving Edmonton

He has good numbers overall has had good numbers for like 5/6 last seasons on different teams which I count as a bonus because it shows he's not team dependent for his play.

Plus he's cost controlled this year and next year (especially if the Wings eat a few hundred K of salary), so at least you can roll Talbot/Skinner as a cheaper tandem for a couple of years.

Honestly we should've signed him last year.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Average goaltending is exactly what I would expect a team to have when they're only spending three and a half on the position entirely. Seems like pretty good value to me.

One goalie is average and Almost top 10 in GAA- Pickard

The other is toilet level

So that is below average overall

Lankenen in VAN makes less than a million and has played great. Why doesn't he suck?

$$ is not linear for goalies every time.

 

[Jumptheshark]

He has good numbers overall has had good numbers for like 5/6 last seasons on different teams which I count as a bonus because it shows he's not team dependent for his play.

Plus he's cost controlled this year and next year (especially if the Wings eat a few hundred K of salary), so at least you can roll Talbot/Skinner as a cheaper tandem for a couple of years.

Honestly we should've signed him last year.

Do you follow his wife on X or Twitter? I love her personality and how blunt she is. She is not a fan of us(oiler fans) and how we treated her husband towards his last stand with us. For me she is the prefect hockey wife but she is from Texas and calls it they way she sees it

 

[Jumptheshark]

after the last few games it is our D the needs to be fixed. Watching some games? Ken Dryden in his prime could have been in net and we would have been in trouble

 

[soothsayer]

Unfortunately, I Don't think we have the assets for Parayko. The rest I think we can acquire

I'm using him more as an example. It'll have to be a guy like that.

 

[McFlash97]

Wow, an organization who is willing to try things out instead of getting on their knees and hoping the goaltending will work itself out. Jealous


This is what I mean when I say he can't be trusted to steal games. He just can't move and make saves he has no business makin (which you need once in a while)

Lets see how Wedgewood plays out. At least they pinpoint their issue and try to fix it

Watch the Colorado game today to see a textbook example of how flawed Skinner is. Hope the Oilers win. However I have my doubts Skinner comes close to .900 this evening

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

after the last few games it is our D the needs to be fixed. Watching some games? Ken Dryden in his prime could have been in net and we would have been in trouble

Pickard the goalie from the AHL says different.

 

[iCanada]

Our defense is top 5 in the league by every metric. This team is excellent at preventing scoring chances against and high danger chances against. The defence is bad is a lazy narrative pushed by some our worst media (Gazzola). Skinner is dead last in goals saved above expected. Behind all back ups and 3rd stringers

How come on now, we don't need to pile on the guy or make things up, he's only ranked 76th in a league with 32 spots.

That means he's only ranked lower than 12 third string guys, not all of them.

(Please God, let us get another goaltender...)