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[Jarvi]

We’ve seen ceci be so good in the playoffs.

Let’s trade for him to run it back.

Thats the definition of insanity

IIRC, Ceci was good enough when away from Nurse and Kulak started to falter when playing the right side with Nurse. Nurse was so bad last playoffs, more reason we should have fought to keep Broberg seeing as he was able to make that pair playable.

If you can keep Ceci on the 3rd pair, he is fine if not an above average guy there. Add in that he oddly scores in huge games, and he is a guy I'd be happy to have back for cheap if we can get another guy like Jiricek for the future and hopefully later this year once Coffey gets to mold him a bit.

 

[TheNumber4]

I'm a bit frustrated, if the Preds were just going to waive him, the Oilers couldn't have handed over a 6th for Fabbro and the defense would be much better.


Or Boston, who struggle hard to score.

Before he was waived was he even on the market? I’d imagine one of 32 teams could have given a 5th for him. I don’t even remember him being on the market.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Before he was waived was he even on the market? I’d imagine one of 32 teams could have given a 5th for him. I don’t even remember him being on the market.

You would certainly think he was, because they weren't playing him.

IIRC, Ceci was good enough when away from Nurse and Kulak started to falter when playing the right side with Nurse. Nurse was so bad last playoffs, more reason we should have fought to keep Broberg seeing as he was able to make that pair playable.

If you can keep Ceci on the 3rd pair, he is fine if not an above average guy there. Add in that he oddly scores in huge games, and he is a guy I'd be happy to have back for cheap if we can get another guy like Jiricek for the future and hopefully later this year once Coffey gets to mold him a bit.

This is not true, at all. Ceci is away from everyone and putting up some of the worst stats in the entire league.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Before he was waived was he even on the market? I’d imagine one of 32 teams could have given a 5th for him. I don’t even remember him being on the market.

There’s no way they just threw him on waivers without talking to anyone in the league. Which does make you wonder how they didn’t at least get a late round pick for him.

 

[TheNumber4]

You would certainly think he was, because they weren't playing him.


This is not true, at all.

Usually insiders have a sniff of it though. I just don’t remember any chatter of him being out there, then all of a sudden he’s on waivers to everyone’s surprise. This could just be a huge Trotz f*** up if that’s the case and can’t really blame Oilers for not being in on him.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Usually insiders have a sniff of it though. I just don’t remember any chatter of him being out there, then all of a sudden he’s on waivers to everyone’s surprise. This could just be a huge Trotz f*** up if that’s the case and can’t really blame Oilers for not being in on him.

I mean I do, Nashville has a guy, pending UFA, who they aren't playing, in a position the Oilers need, more thorough calls need to be made, better vetting needs to take place.

Not getting him on waivers is fine, CLB had a much higher priority, but they should have made an effort, but you know, Stan.

 

[TheNumber4]

There’s no way they just threw him on waivers without talking to anyone in the league. Which does make you wonder how they didn’t at least get a late round pick for him.

You’d think. But I’m not so sure in a RHD starved league Trotz couldn’t get one offer. His cap hit is more than reasonabll too. Even a 6th-7th rd pick should have been offered. I asked the same question in the mains thread, was he even available? And no one replied.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

You’d think. But I’m not so sure in a RHD starved league Trotz couldn’t get one offer. His cap hit is more than reasonabll too. Even a 6th-7th rd pick should have been offered. I asked the same question in the mains thread, was he even available? And no one replied.

Maybe teams after Columbus offered late picks and be played hardball Dubas style.

Just doesn’t make much sense.

 

[TheNumber4]

I mean I do, Nashville has a guy, pending UFA, who they aren't playing, in a position the Oilers need, more thorough calls need to be made, better vetting needs to take place.

Not getting him on waivers is fine, CLB had a much higher priority, but they should have made an effort, but you know, Stan.

Unless the Oil assumed Nashville wouldn’t go full tard by letting him go on waivers for nothing. There has to be atleast 15 teams kicking themselves for not shoring up their Right side for 7th rd pick.

Maybe teams after Columbus offered late picks and be played hardball Dubas style.

Just doesn’t make much sense.

Lol. Then he’s a really bad negotiator, cause anything is better than waivers where you get nothing.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Unless the Oil assumed Nashville wouldn’t go full tard by letting him go on waivers for nothing. There has to be atleast 15 teams kicking themselves for not shoring up their Right side for 7th rd pick.


Lol. Then he’s a really bad negotiator, cause anything is better than waivers where you get nothing.

My guess Stan either wanted a retention or to send a body back (and maybe most teams did) which is why he just gave up and waived him, still just an amazingly bad move from the Preds.

 

[TheNumber4]

My guess Stan either wanted a retention or to send a body back (and maybe most teams did) which is why he just gave up and waived him, still just an amazingly bad move from the Preds.

Hmm maybe. Wonder if Trotz ever addressed the situation. Maybe he said it somewhere. I’ll try to dig around cause it’s bothering me lol. Ducks have waiver priority and they got what Gudas and a bunch of rookies on the right side. They didn’t even claim.

 

[Jarvi]

You would certainly think he was, because they weren't playing him.


This is not true, at all. Ceci is away from everyone and putting up some of the worst stats in the entire league.

On the sharks... I won't say I've done a deep dive into his play there; but it doesn't matter. They are a trash team, and vet like him probably gets the worst minutes. I don't see how 20 games there is in any way indicative of how he would play here. Would I prefer a true top 4 guy? Sure, but there isn't one with term available. Getting a guy we know can pk, would fit in our system seemlessy, and could play 20 if needed to go along with a high potential guy in Jiricek would be a fine consolation prize for me.

Honestly, D seem to take the longest to fit into new systems generally. If we don't get a true top 4 guy, I might prefer running Ceci back than a some other middling guy who may or may not hit fit in.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Hmm maybe. Wonder if Trotz ever addressed the situation. Maybe he said it somewhere. I’ll try to dig around cause it’s bothering me lol. Ducks have waiver priority and they got what Gudas and a bunch of rookies on the right side. They didn’t even claim.

Jackets had injuries over there, and I think they thought there was more player there. The Ducks are just running kids and hoping for magic growth I think lol.

On the sharks...

There are several players, he's the worst by a solid chunk. He would have "better" numbers on a better team, but he is NOT good, and SHOULD NOT be brought back, even at 3RD. Emberson is a better defenseman at defense than Ceci by quite a bit.

 

[Jarvi]

Jackets had injuries over there, and I think they thought there was more player there. The Ducks are just running kids and hoping for magic growth I think lol.


There are several players, he's the worst by a solid chunk. He would have "better" numbers on a better team, but he is NOT good, and SHOULD NOT be brought back, even at 3RD. Emberson is a better defenseman at defense than Ceci by quite a bit.

What? What stats are you even referring to? He isn't the worst in +/-, in fact Emberson is close to him there despite playing on a better team. Emberson isn't impressive at all.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

What? What stats are you even referring to? He isn't the worst in +/-, in fact Emberson is close to him there despite playing on a better team. Emberson isn't impressive at all.

The fancies man, Ceci gets caves constantly. Gives up just SO MUCH all the time. Emberson largely wins his matches despite not having much going offensively. Emberson is a better defenseman at defense than Ceci and it's really not close.

 

[TheNumber4]

Found it, Fabbro was on the market leading up to his waiver availability. CBJ was 15th in the waiver order, so 14 teams passed on Fabbro and his 2.5M. Okay proceed to question Stan the Man:

- Waddell was among the GMs who had trade talks with Nashville GM Barry Trotz regarding Fabbro in recent weeks, but he wasn’t willing to pay the price, likely a prospect or draft pick. He waited a couple of weeks and claimed him on waivers. “I go back to what I’ve probably said 100 times: I don’t think we’re in a position to give up assets right now,” Waddell said. “If it’s a guy who’s going to go with us for a long time, for multiple years, then I don’t mind giving up a reasonable asset.” Fabbro, who is making $2.5 million this season, can be an unrestricted free agent on July 1, 2025.

• For the first month of the season, the waiver selection order is set by the previous year’s overall standings, going from worst to first. But at the start of November, this season’s standings (in inverse order) determines the waiver order. The Blue Jackets were 15th in the pecking order for Fabbro.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

I'm a bit frustrated, if the Preds were just going to waive him, the Oilers couldn't have handed over a 6th for Fabbro and the defense would be much better.


Or Boston, who struggle hard to score.

It was a cap issue, Nashville only has one retention slot and have like 11M dead cap this year between retention and buyouts. They also have a pile of picks this year so I don’t think they were too keen on keeping any of the Fabbro deal and that’s likely why they couldn’t find a trade partner for him at full pop and there were reports Edmonton was interested but they would need 50% retained, Edmonton really should of got another team to retain half his deal probably would of cost a 3rd/4th and they could of tossed a 7th or something at Nashville.

 

[Soundwave]

On the sharks... I won't say I've done a deep dive into his play there; but it doesn't matter. They are a trash team, and vet like him probably gets the worst minutes. I don't see how 20 games there is in any way indicative of how he would play here. Would I prefer a true top 4 guy? Sure, but there isn't one with term available. Getting a guy we know can pk, would fit in our system seemlessy, and could play 20 if needed to go along with a high potential guy in Jiricek would be a fine consolation prize for me.

Honestly, D seem to take the longest to fit into new systems generally. If we don't get a true top 4 guy, I might prefer running Ceci back than a some other middling guy who may or may not hit fit in.

The problem with Ceci is he is poison to Nurse's game, I just would rather not have him back for that reason alone, it removes that possibility from the coaching staff, like a child that has a toy taken away from them after they done stupid things for the 10th time. Nurse is having a better season with Ceci gone.

The PK is improving on its own.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Price tag on Jiricek means he’s your one big move bullet. Not sure a 21 year old with less then 50 games NHL games who’s non playoff team won’t even play him. Is that really the guy people want lining up next to Nurse for 20-22 minutes a night deep into the playoffs?

Same thing with people crying over a guy like Kesselring as if this kid would be a difference maker. The kid has never played a meaningful minute of NHL hockey, he’s played for a bottom feeder that teams don’t have to bring their best games to beat. Different story when you’re playing on a cup contender, getting the other teams best almost every night where the pressures on and every mistake you make gets scrutinized to death and you’ve got a really short rope.

If we can get it done for Savoie, I don't see why we wouldn't Jiricek is more NHL ready and has higher upside and plays the more important position. We also need cost efficient bodies who can play for us going into next season when the Drai and Bouchard deals are active. I don't see a Jiricek trade as blocking us from making other moves, unless the plan was to trade Savoie for rental help.

Also about a non playoff team not playing him, I think that is a mistake on there part, which teams do make like Carolina waiving Forsling or NSH waiving Fabbro. The rhetoric from the NHL coach is Jiricek needs to work on his defensive game, while not great in a small 6 game sample this season if you look at his entire career in CBJ and contrast it against every other d-man that has played 500 mins or more at 5 on 5 (13 meet this criteria) he has the lowest GA per 60 of all of them.

There fanbase also points out that he is routinely sat for any mistake he makes where as Severson and Werenski will often make more egregious mistakes and won't get sat. Also for what its worth the AHL coaching staff have repeatedly said he is NHL ready and has nothing left to learn from playing at that level.

In my opinion Jiricek is a smart player who can learn on the fly and needs a supportive coaching staff who will be willing to cut him some slack for the odd mistake and in the right environment I think can grow by leaps and bounds far quicker than most young d-men. Also as a reminder when COL won their Stanely Cup Makar was 22, Byram was 20 (49 games of NHL experience- Jiricek is 21 at 53 NHL games right now), and Girard was 23.