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Oilers Biggest Roster Need?

  • 2nd Pairing RD

    Votes: 87 39.9%
  • Starting Goalie

    Votes: 122 56.0%
  • Top 6 LW (RNH, Podkolzin and Jeff Skinner Aren't Getting it Done)

    Votes: 3 1.4%
  • Top 6 RW (Arvidsson and Hyman Aren't Getting it Done)

    Votes: 1 0.5%
  • 3C

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Physical Bottom 6 Wingers

    Votes: 1 0.5%
  • Other (Post Your Opinion)

    Votes: 4 1.8%

  • Total voters
    218

bobbythebrain

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New GM, same BS- "wahhh it's too hard and expensive to make deals right now". Meanwhile Utah, SJ, Seattle, Washington and Pittsburgh have all made trades of varying complexity for roster players already and Columbus just stole a top four D on waivers. Bowman looks to be another Chiarelli/Holland who only got the job because of success years ago and has no interest in earning his paycheck. Demoralizing.

You do realize Nurse/Kulak has turned into a very good pairing?

Is Stan supposed to go get a dman just because?

Aside from Stu and a horrible PP, staying par seems like the smart move since atleast one of those should be able to correct itself.

If the Oil pp.gets on track, they can easily get back to the top of their division w/ the current roster
 

barry halls

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His track record speaks for itself. Some notable transactions over the years include trading Forsling, Hartman, Danault, and Lehner for nothing. Why should we expect him to suddenly turn into a good GM here? It won't be long before everyone is wishing Holland was still the GM.
 

FunkyChicken

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His track record speaks for itself. Some notable transactions over the years include trading Forsling, Hartman, Danault, and Lehner for nothing. Why should we expect him to suddenly turn into a good GM here? It won't be long before everyone is wishing Holland was still the GM.
Oilers hiring criteria for a GM seems to start and end at "have you won a Stanley Cup in the past?"
 

McBooya42

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Jun 28, 2010
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If Matt Savoie ever makes the club. Are we going to starve him of PP time and play him on Line 3? It's almost like setting him up for failure. If we want development and players to be at their best, it makes sense to open up some PP opportunity for others.
Practically all of his points in the Bake are even strength. That's actually one of HIS strengths.
 
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CupofOil

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McLeod's most common linemates in Buffalo are Jordan Greenway and Jason Zucker. He has also played a grand total of 9 minutes more 5v5 than Henrique has this year.

He would also be cheaper, way better defensively(though Adam isn't that bad), and probably the teams top Penalty Killing option.



This is absolutely true FWIW and it's also not like you can just ignore the trade return in practice the way I did in my post.
Henrique's value will be based on what he does in the playoffs, like most vets, where he was far superior to McLeod last season especially in the last two series. Same with the other vet additions. Plus Savoie was the return for McLeod so, again, it's way too early to judge that side of the trade as well.

With that said, I do think the team misses the speed of McLeod and his ability to carry the puck through the neutral zone but it's all about the playoffs for this squad so that's where the value of these acquisitions will show, or not.

Just like with Broberg and Holloway (Broberg especially) the loss of McLeod will be more of a long term hit than a short term hit. Unless guys like Savoie and O'Reilly turn into high impact NHLers, the Oilers are royally screwed after the next few years although McDavid, Draisaitl and Bouchard will always keep them competitive but in terms of extending the Cup window, Broberg, Holloway and McLeod were all a big part of their future and all they have to show for it is a 2nd, 3rd + Savoie. In the interim though, having or not having McLeod is of minimal impact in terms of Cup contention.
 
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McDoused

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I’m not a 100% sure but I don’t think this is exactly correct.

I’m pretty sure the player has to be offered to any other teams that originally put a claim in. So let’s say two other teams after Columbus put a waiver claim in when Nashville originally put him on waivers, he would have to be offered to those two teams first to see if they still wanted to claim him and if he’s unclaimed then Columbus could trade him.

Thats what I'm saying. You can't just trade a player you claimed on waivers. They need to go back and look and see if anyone else claimed him first and then they would have the option to take him before the option of trading him is available.

Knowing that other teams likely put in claims, they wouldn't have the option to trade him as the next team on the waiver priority would be able to get him instead.
 

bobbythebrain

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His track record speaks for itself. Some notable transactions over the years include trading Forsling, Hartman, Danault, and Lehner for nothing. Why should we expect him to suddenly turn into a good GM here? It won't be long before everyone is wishing Holland was still the GM.

Emberson is a win so far. So he's 1 for 1
 

SupremeTeam16

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Personally, I’d rather them wait on making moves until things normalize a bit. We’ve been dealing with some injuries and a bunch of guys shooting less then half their career average and as we all know, Oilers first half of the season and Oilers second half of the season is never the same team.

Focus right now should be on internal improvement. Make some changes to get the PP going, get rid of Schwartz and see if someone new can get Skinner stabilized, maybe inject a bit of youth after the holidays with Philp/Savoie. Keep testing Emberson, he’s settled in over the first 20 games, let’s see how he does over the next 20-30 games. No need to worry about the RNH, Hyman, Skinner, Arvidsson, Henriques, they’ll trend towards career averages as the season moves on.
 

PeteEakins

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The Oilers should acquire a RD, 6'5, 220 lbs, solid defensively, currenty on pace for 11 goals, 30 assists and over 40 points, playing top 4 minutes.

Where does one get a second pairing defenseman like that? Who even fits that description? Michael Kesselring? How do you get a guy like him?
 
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Jimmi McJenkins

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The Oilers should acquire a RD, 6'5, 220 lbs, solid defensively, currenty on pace for 11 goals, 30 assists and over 40 points, playing top 4 minutes.

Where does one get a second pairing defenseman like that? Who even fits that description? Michael Kesselring? How do you get a guy like him?
I mean just thank Kenny for viewing all prospects that he didn't draft as the same guy with different hair.
 

Bryanbryoil

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The Oilers should acquire a RD, 6'5, 220 lbs, solid defensively, currenty on pace for 11 goals, 30 assists and over 40 points, playing top 4 minutes.

Where does one get a second pairing defenseman like that? Who even fits that description? Michael Kesselring? How do you get a guy like him?
That still pisses me off. Meanwhile we gave Vinny every opportunity when his upside was very limited.
 

bucks_oil

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Frankly - I will make errors again, and if I realize I have made them I will correct them. I'm sure you'll make errors as well, we all do, that's part of the human experience. You refuse to acknowledge that I admitted I made an error, and that after the correction it's still damning, and instead just hammer on the fact that I made an error. It's kind of exhausting and not really conducive to discussion, frankly.

We certainly agree on the final paragraph.... except I suppose where it comes to Skinner. I'm sure you can see the irony.

That's a goal (mistake*) you wouldn't even remember if it happens in the regular season. You are upset your goalie made a mistake* so you are using xGoal "math" to justify how objectively inexcusable it is. When really the only reason it is inexcusable (to you) is because it subjectively wounded all of us Oiler fans (myself included, I wish he stopped it too).

* as for "mistake", I'm not even sure how much of a mistake he made on that play. Goalies miss pucks, in the same way that snipers miss top corners. 90% of the position is reading/anticipating and honestly just getting hit with the puck. Sometimes your neurology works in your favor, you see the puck, your brain reads the trajectory, your glove moves to that position... and other times it doesn't. Even for the very, very best... you can see a half dozen goals just like that one every night on the highlight reels. Certainly he would want that back, and yeah, as you say >90% he'd likely stop it... but 10% of the time it's still in. Nothing he, or you, can do about it... except avoid the overt mistakes & misreads and be in the right position so that the numbers skew in his favor.

I'd personally have preferred he stand stronger at the top of the crease, but with Kulak backing up, it is understandable that he faded and then (I'm projecting a bit here) you can get in positions where you get a bit handcuffed short side when you are sitting too deep in your net, that's my best guess for how that went in... that's the type of imperfection a typical goalie commits to memory ("stand tall - don't let your own defender back you up, or call step up! step up! next time so you can see better... its your responsibility to let him know!"), but it's also the type of super minor mistake you need to forgive yourself of... as you say, we all make 'em... and it was likely the 3rd if not 4th most obvious mistake the Oilers collectively made on that play. (Foegele knows he's responsible to be goal side, he picked his man up too late and was chasing, Kulak knows he's supposed to take a stand further out and close that gap, if he had, Reinhart probably doesn't even take that shot and instead crashes the near post, likely an easy poke check for Skinner at that point, etc)

Major errors? You commit 'em to memory and you train 'em out of your system.
Minor errors? Same thing. Get rid of those too so that the numbers skew in your favor
But just getting beat by a puck? Meh... you gotta give yourself some grace there. Unless you pick it up clean, the puck is physically faster than you are.
 

bucks_oil

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If the goalie isn't good. Just say he's not good enough. Why keep on bringing up Schwartz like he's the one playing in net? That's like saying Knob is responsible for RNH playing so vanilla

A quick reminder that after Dubnyk left Schwartz and the organization he finished 3rd for Vezina, 5th for Vezina and 4th for the frickin' Hart Trophy. Talbot meanwhile is pretty much tops in SPCT. Brossoit managed to become a career 0.917 backup in WPG.

Whether Schwartz is actively making our goalies worse, or is simply a poor judge of talent (and/or influence on the GM) is unknown, but his results have been pretty poor.
 

North

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New GM, same BS- "wahhh it's too hard and expensive to make deals right now". Meanwhile Utah, SJ, Seattle, Washington and Pittsburgh have all made trades of varying complexity for roster players already and Columbus just stole a top four D on waivers. Bowman looks to be another Chiarelli/Holland who only got the job because of success years ago and has no interest in earning his paycheck. Demoralizing.
This is ridiculous.
 
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Canovin

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A quick reminder that after Dubnyk left Schwartz and the organization he finished 3rd for Vezina, 5th for Vezina and 4th for the frickin' Hart Trophy. Talbot meanwhile is pretty much tops in SPCT. Brossoit managed to become a career 0.917 backup in WPG.

Whether Schwartz is actively making our goalies worse, or is simply a poor judge of talent (and/or influence on the GM) is unknown, but his results have been pretty poor.
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This was Dubnyk stats during his time in the decade of darkness. It was actually good aside from the early stinkers he lets in. Stuart Skinner with the Oilers playing perfect D shouldn't be compared to Dubnyk.

Schwartz sucks. But he's not entirely a fault when Skinner plays like poop
 

North

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A quick reminder that after Dubnyk left Schwartz and the organization he finished 3rd for Vezina, 5th for Vezina and 4th for the frickin' Hart Trophy. Talbot meanwhile is pretty much tops in SPCT. Brossoit managed to become a career 0.917 backup in WPG.

Whether Schwartz is actively making our goalies worse, or is simply a poor judge of talent (and/or influence on the GM) is unknown, but his results have been pretty poor.
That’s not entirely true.

He sucked with the Preds.

He didn’t really start putting it together until he got to Minnesota.
 

TopShelfGloveSide

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New GM, same BS- "wahhh it's too hard and expensive to make deals right now". Meanwhile Utah, SJ, Seattle, Washington and Pittsburgh have all made trades of varying complexity for roster players already and Columbus just stole a top four D on waivers. Bowman looks to be another Chiarelli/Holland who only got the job because of success years ago and has no interest in earning his paycheck. Demoralizing.
All those teams suck except Washington. Yes let’s be more like them.
 

Oilhawks

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The Oilers should acquire a RD, 6'5, 220 lbs, solid defensively, currenty on pace for 11 goals, 30 assists and over 40 points, playing top 4 minutes.

Where does one get a second pairing defenseman like that? Who even fits that description? Michael Kesselring? How do you get a guy like him?

Go back to making "Nurse is a #1 dman" threads, IMO
 

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