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[Canovin]

Spending assets on a "maybe" that hasn't been good in half a decade is exactly the opposite of what the Oilers should do.


Okay, then please defend his .888sv% last year.

Like I said, one bad season with 3 average seasons and the rest of his career being elite and right up there as the best goalie in the league. What more do you want from a goalie?

 

[CanadasTeam99]

The thing to me about Gibson is that he's got that Fuhr / Smith competitive fire.

You can just see he's a visually different goaltender when his team has a chance to win, but at a certain point if the games out of reach he tilts off the face of the earth.

How many games have we played against the ducks where we dominate them for 20 minutes+20 shots to strike for first goal, then it takes another 15 minutes+15 shots for the second goal, and after that everything goes in?

I think this and playing on a really bad team has hurt Gibson's numbers a lot and getting him on a competitive team will awaken the best in him again. Keep in mind the ducks give up like the most chances against in the league and have the lowest scoring in the league for the last 5 tests running. It's a but it a gamble I suppose, but best case you get a Vezina quality guy - worst case you still upgrade Skinner.

Hell we saw this in action for years the other way in Edmonton. Guys would look like trash and not give a damn, be statistically awful. Untouchable, untradable. Yet they'd go somewhere else and suddenly have a career renaissance literally instantly.

In Edmonton posters will blame the offense, not the goalie ever. When we bring up Gibson, it's all his fault for being on an atrocious team lol

Worst lateral moving goalie I've seen on the Oilers maybe ever. Dude moves like the Titanic in net from left to right and vice versa. If someone can name somebody worse please do list that person.

Somebody post that stat Jeff Valiquete put up Something like Skinner has allowed 100% of a certain type of goal (it involved moving laterally)

 

[Arpeggio]

See, I don't even want somebody that "can push SKinner". We seen what he is. He can't move. I don't trust this guy at all when it all boils down to it. He is way too inconsistent. This guy gets a crazy leash it is insane. We need him being a backup (which would happen b/c he isn't hard to outplay) or just get rid of him.

"Ohhh no, what will happen if we get rid of a guy who is atrocious 50% of the games he plays?"


Lets just start with a goalie who know how to move laterally. That will be a bonus in itself. Go from there.

He get's leash because his first two seasons he put up a .914 and last year after having an awful start he still put up a .905.

You guys are saying Gibson's the answer based on vibes, you have no idea whether he would be an elite goalie on a good team, or if the game's passed him by. I agree that they should bring someone in to challenge Skinner, Gibson isn't the guy.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Use your eyes and watch him. That's all anybody needs to do. He can't track pucks and he can't move.

It's this simple. He sucks about 50% of the time he is in net. SOmehow people have a hardon for a goalie like this.

Again, what makes Gibson better? What makes him worth spending assets on? The stats say he's bad and so does the eye test as the Oilers regularly ventilate him.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

He get's leash because his first two seasons he put up a .914 and last year after having an awful start he still put up a .905.

You guys are saying Gibson's the answer based on vibes, you have no idea whether he would be an elite goalie on a good team, or if the game's passed him by. I agree that they should bring someone in to challenge Skinner, Gibson isn't the guy.

I am not any sort of hockey expert. I started watching hockey in 1990.

I can say, and I am being genuine, that Skinner scares the sh* out of me lol. I have zero trust in this guy with any type of shot.

He brings no confidence at all. I can't imagine what the players feel like.

 

[Soundwave]

Gibson is a gamble, but if you hit on it, you probably win 1 or 2 Cups soon given what you have in McDavid and Draisaitl.

He is one of the most athletic goalies in the league and has the high end ability to make absolute high way robbery saves.

You will not see many goalies make saves any better than this, this is unbelievable level of talent:



The Oilers have to consider it if they can get him with some retention, especially if they can also move out Jeff Skinner.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Like I said, one bad season with 3 average seasons and the rest of his career being elite and right up there as the best goalie in the league. What more do you want from a goalie?

It's not "one bad season", it's 5 seasons of below average play.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Again, what makes Gibson better? What makes him worth spending assets on? The stats say he's bad and so does the eye test as the Oilers regularly ventilate him.

Gibson can actually move in net and has much better reflexes and plays on a garbage team who give up an insane amount of chances.

Watch some Anaheim games. They got pumped for 46 shots last night by Seattle lol.

You don't think his workload would be easier here?

What are you even arguing here? You are arguing about a goalie here who is pretty much dead last in a bunch of metrics on a defensively sound team. Like what are we doing here.

It's like we have a pile of sh** laying in our crease, and you are complaining about the type of toilet paper I am trying to hand you to clean it up

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

In Edmonton posters will blame the offense, not the goalie ever. When we bring up Gibson, it's all his fault for being on an atrocious team lol


Somebody post that stat Jeff Valiquete put up Something like Skinner has allowed 100% of a certain type of goal (it involved moving laterally)

The Ducks are bad and Gibson is bad. It's not "either or". Just like in Edmonton the goaltending needs improvement as does the offense.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

The Ducks are bad and Gibson is bad. It's not "either or". Just like in Edmonton the goaltending needs improvement as does the offense.

Maybe we can get a goalie coach who can put some new muscles inside of Skinners body to make him move quicker and stretch more I guess. You won't get improvement otherwise.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Gibson can actually move in net and has much better reflexes and plays on a garbage team who give up an insane amount of chances.

Watch some Anaheim games. They got pumped for 46 shots last night by Seattle lol.

You don't think his workload would be easier here?

What are you even arguing here? You are arguing about a goalie here who is pretty much dead last in a bunch of metrics on a defensively sound team. Like what are we doing here.

It's like we have a pile of sh** laying in our crease, and you are complaining about the type of toilet paper I am trying to hand you to clean it up

I'm arguing about spending assets on a goalie that has by virtually every measure been as terrible as the guy this fanbase wants to run out of town.

Again, why do we spend assets on a goalie that has been bad? If he was free, go for it. He's not.

Maybe we can get a goalie coach who can put some new muscles inside of Skinners body to make him move quicker and stretch more I guess. You won't get improvement otherwise.

Wow, a new goalie coach? I wonder if anyone around here has been campaigning for that exact thing.

 

[Canovin]

It's not "one bad season", it's 5 seasons of below average play.

One bad season and 3 seasons like Skinner's usuals on a team with Dallas Eakins.

I would love to see how well Skinner would fare during the decade of darkness Dallas Eakins Oilers team

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

One bad season and 3 seasons like Skinner's usuals on a team with Dallas Eakins

And yet even the shitty goalies we had during the Eakins era put up better numbers than Gibson did under the same coach. Except LaBarbera. Woof.

 

[Soundwave]

We have two back ups at present, anyone who has a potential to be a starter and is acquirable should be looked at it.

I don't really even understand how that is a "debate", what's there to debate exactly?

And yet even the shitty goalies we had during the Eakins era put up better numbers than Gibson did under the same coach. Except LaBarbera. Woof.

Scoring is a lot higher in Eakin's 2nd stint, so you can't really compare 1:1.

I'm inclined to believe numbers like .903 and .899 would be more like like .913 and .909 on a good team that's actively not tanking games in a rebuild.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

We have two back ups at present, anyone who has a potential to be a starter and is acquirable should be looked at it.

I don't really even understand how that is a "debate", what's there to debate exactly?

The debate is "Why should we send Anaheim assets for an aging goalie that has sucked complete ass for half a decade?"

A goalie that the Oilers regularly beat like a rented mule, I might add.

 

[Canovin]

And yet even the shitty goalies we had during the Eakins era put up better numbers than Gibson did under the same coach. Except LaBarbera. Woof.

Dubnyk had .894 with 32 games under Eakins. Ben Scrivens had a flash in a pan season

 

[Soundwave]

The debate is "Why should we send Anaheim assets for an aging goalie that has sucked complete ass for half a decade?"

A goalie that the Oilers regularly beat like a rented mule, I might add.

Because he's better than Skinner and an oustanding athlete that's been stuck playing on a team that's been rebuilding for 6 years. Glove hand and lateral movement would be the best we've had in net since Roloson by far. That's why.

Skinner would get his starting job taken within a week of Gibson arriving here and would never get it back.

This guy can't even hold down Calvin Pickard, the only reason Pickard is not the defacto starter right now is because the team is too embarrassed to allow it.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

We're not still actually advocating trading for John Gibson right? The guy has been a below average NHL goalie for a half decade which is a much bigger sample size than the 5 games this season and looks like shit too. Seriously, you cannot tell me you watched Oilers vs Ducks games this past decade and came to the conclusion "wow John Gibson is doing really well in net". Goalies often have steep declines and I think we can comfortably say that Gibson is no longer the goalie that he was in 2017 and we sure as hell do not need to take on his 6.4 million dollar cap hit.

Not that it matters anyway. Skinner has been garbage but we could acquire a goaltending trio of Hellebuyck, Shesterkin, and Sorokin and Dustin Schwartz would still find a way to mess them up.

 

[Old Boys Club]

how can the oilers fit in 6.4M AAV for the next 3 seasons? Not seeing a way for that to work without paying exorbitant assets for retention

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Dubnyk had .894 with 32 games under Eakins. Ben Scrivens was a flash in a pan season

You know what really makes this whole Eakins thing hilarious?

Eakins wasn't the coach last year.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Because he's better than Skinner and an oustanding athlete that's been stuck playing on a team that's been rebuilding for 6 years. That's why.

Skinner would get his starting job taken within a week of Gibson arriving here and would never get it back.

This guy can't even hold down Calvin Pickard, the only reason Pickard is not the defacto starter right now is because the team is too embarrassed to allow it.

Funny that you compare goalies within teams. Because John Gibson frequently got outperformed by the likes of Anthony Stolarz and Lukas Dostal these past 5 years.

 

[GMofOilers]

Gibson is a gamble, but if you hit on it, you probably win 1 or 2 Cups soon given what you have in McDavid and Draisaitl.

He is one of the most athletic goalies in the league and has the high end ability to make absolute high way robbery saves.

You will not see many goalies make saves any better than this, this is unbelievable level of talent:



The Oilers have to consider it if they can get him with some retention, especially if they can also move out Jeff Skinner.

Find a Skinner highlight video of 3 years of being in the NHL lol

You might have like 3 actual good saves in his lifetime

 

[Soundwave]

how can the oilers fit in 6.4M AAV for the next 3 seasons? Not seeing a way for that to work without paying exorbitant assets for retention

I don't think it would require exorbinant assets, we are doing Anahim a favor too by taking half his salary, that means their cheap-o ownership is "only" paying 3.2 instead of the full 6.4, I bet they would rather pay half than the full amount on top of the massive raise Dostal has coming.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Because he's better than Skinner and an oustanding athlete that's been stuck playing on a team that's been rebuilding for 6 years. Glove hand and lateral movement would be the best we've had in net since Roloson by far. That's why.

Skinner would get his starting job taken within a week of Gibson arriving here and would never get it back.

This guy can't even hold down Calvin Pickard, the only reason Pickard is not the defacto starter right now is because the team is too embarrassed to allow it.

Do you ever stop to think that part of the reason Anaheim has been so bad for so long is because Gibson is also bad?

 

[Canovin]

You know what really makes this whole Eakins thing hilarious?

Eakins wasn't the coach last year.

You play 11 years of hockey and you can't have one bad season?