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[Scrapin Ice]

I’m all for it but tell me who the Rangers are taking back, it would be a huge ransom.

IS Jimni suggesting we trade Draisaitl for Shesty?

 

[K1984]

The Rangers aren't trading a 24 year old, somewhat cost controlled D man, who leads their team in ES time on ice, and they drafted in the first round. He also happens to be 6'5" and 210#, and has scored 30+ points twice already in his short career. Lol, like, not a chance they trade him.

And even if we acquired him, unless Darnell Nurse and Evan Bouchard disappear we wouldn't have near the cap room to re-sign him.

 

[Mr Kot]

Last I heard is NYR fans weren’t pleased with Miller’s play.

They aren't pleased but IIRC he has ok numbers. He is probably the biggest piece on the back end they are dangling right now.

 

[CupofOil]

Pickard has been here 40 games or so now and has better than Skinner numbers, so I guess that makes him starting quality too?

Oh this ridiculous narrative again. You mean the guy who has started 23 games last season compared to the guy who started 59 and then 50 the season before?

Again, Skinner has been bad this season but to say that his CEILING is mid level backup when he was the #1 goalie on a Cup contender for two straight seasons is extreme hyperbole.
I'm not even championing him as some high level starter or as an even adequate NHL goalie this season but the lengths some will go to discredit him gets to be too much sometimes.

 

[Soundwave]

Oh this ridiculous narrative again. You mean the guy who has started 23 games last season compared to the guy who started 59 and then 50 the season before?

Again, Skinner has been bad this season but to say that his CEILING is mid level backup when he was the #1 goalie on a Cup contender for two straight seasons is extreme hyperbole.
I'm not even championing him as some high level starter or as an even adequate NHL goalie this season but the lengths some will go to discredit him gets to be too much sometimes.

There's lots of back ups that have starter like workloads on certain teams at certain points in their career, it's not some magic thing, you guys act like "starter" is some important title like King of England or something.

It's not. We run Skinner a lot of games, not because he's that good but because the management refuses to get anyone better. Mikko Koskinen played 55 games in a season here too, didn't make him a defacto starter.

Pickard may well be better than Skinner. He's played 40+ games now for the Oilers and has better numbers than Skinner does since coming here. Does he have to become 50 games for it to count?

 

[GOilers88]

Get f***ed, I'm tried of watching these middle of the road goalies, you get an elite one it changes the reality of the team.

f***ing Calgary is leading the division because they have decent goaltending, it's really f***ing simple.

They might be leading right now but do you honestly think it'll hold up all year? Not only that, Shesty hasn't brought the Rangers any closer to a Cup, and that's been without an absolutely mammoth contract hamstringing them. 12 million on a goalie seems like a surefire way to ensure the team never sniffs a cup. I guess there's always the possibility that I'm wrong.

 

[CupofOil]

There's lots of back ups that have starter like workloads on certain teams at certain points in their career, it's not some magic thing, you guys act like "starter" is some important title like King of England or something.

It's not. We run Skinner a lot of games, not because he's that good but because the management refuses to get anyone better. Mikko Koskinen played 55 games in a season here too, didn't make him a defacto starter.

Pickard may well be better than Skinner. He's played 40+ games now for the Oilers and has better numbers than Skinner does since coming here. Does he have to become 50 games for it to count?

Koskinen crumbled as the #1, Skinner did not the last 2 seasons. It's that simple.
Yes, one can argue that the Oilers system was more structured under Skinner although I would say much less so in Skinner's near Vezina winning season (which people conveniently forgot about) but the point remains. He backstopped an elite team as a #1 for two seasons straight and, yes, he was solid a lot of the time even though unspectacular.

Pickard has been the backup, Skinner has carried a much heavier load. It's different playing NHL goalie as a backup than as a 60 game starter. This is pretty obvious. Hell, your Koskinen example is the embodiment of that.

 

[LevelingSolo]

Kreider would an unreal fit but the money would never work

 

[Soundwave]

Koskinen crumbled as the #1, Skinner did not the last 2 seasons. It's that simple.
Yes, one can argue that the Oilers system was more structured under Skinner although I would say much less so in Skinner's near Vezina winning season (which people conveniently forgot about) but the point remains. He backstopped an elite team as a #1 for two seasons straight and, yes, he was solid a lot of the time even though unspectacular.

Pickard has been the backup, Skinner has carried a much heavier load. It's different playing NHL goalie as a backup than as a 60 game starter. This is pretty obvious. Hell, your Koskinen example is the embodiment of that.

Koskinen didn't crumble, he was never good enough to be a legit starter, and time just bore that out. Skinner is more of the same, I don't think Skinner is better than Koskinen either.

Skinner has never been in the hunt for a Vezina trophy, lol.

 

[CupofOil]

Koskinen didn't crumble, he was never good enough to be a legit starter, and time just bore that out. Skinner is more of the same, I don't think Skinner is better than Koskinen either.

Skinner has never been in the hunt for a Vezina trophy, lol.

Calder I meant lol

 

[Soundwave]

Calder I meant lol

Well that's a pretty big difference, Skinner will likely never ever even whiff Vezina talk.

He's a Mikko Koskinen tier goalie IMO, maybe a bit worse.

Their career numbers are about the same.

Koskinen and Skinner are both .906 career regular season, Koskinen in .892 in the playoffs, Skinner is .897.

Koskinen played on worse teams (no Ekholm or Bouchard for a lot of his tenure).

The production is pretty much the same.

 

[Spawn]

Koskinen crumbled as the #1, Skinner did not the last 2 seasons. It's that simple.
Yes, one can argue that the Oilers system was more structured under Skinner although I would say much less so in Skinner's near Vezina winning season (which people conveniently forgot about) but the point remains. He backstopped an elite team as a #1 for two seasons straight and, yes, he was solid a lot of the time even though unspectacular.

Pickard has been the backup, Skinner has carried a much heavier load. It's different playing NHL goalie as a backup than as a 60 game starter. This is pretty obvious. Hell, your Koskinen example is the embodiment of that.

Skinner has crumbled in both his playoff runs and has floundered at the start of two seasons in a row now.

Skinners near Vezina winning season? I’ll assume that’s just a typo and you meant near Calder winning season.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

John Gibson come on down.

 

[McHelpus]

Kreider would an unreal fit but the money would never work

I want Matt Rempe

 

[Mr Kot]

I want Matt Rempe

Wouldn't mind rempe, but he should really only be a consolation or throw in. Have to really look at miller on the rangers. (Though that will be tough too)

 

[bucks_oil]

Oh this ridiculous narrative again. You mean the guy who has started 23 games last season compared to the guy who started 59 and then 50 the season before?

Again, Skinner has been bad this season but to say that his CEILING is mid level backup when he was the #1 goalie on a Cup contender for two straight seasons is extreme hyperbole.
I'm not even championing him as some high level starter or as an even adequate NHL goalie this season but the lengths some will go to discredit him gets to be too much sometimes.

Agree with you here.

Skinner is a very solid positional goalie who doesn't make a lot of big bonehead mistakes or miscues. He's predictable.

What he is not is (IMO) a true A+ #1 goalie because he simply doesn't have the elite physical skills to make too many game-saving, unbelievable saves... a lot around here expect that from a true #1... I get it... but those guys are so rare and when you can't get one, you can do pretty well with a solid tactician-type goalie. That's what Skinner is.

 

[Soundwave]

Agree with you here.

Skinner is a very solid positional goalie who doesn't make a lot of big bonehead mistakes or miscues. He's predictable.

What he is not is (IMO) a true A+ #1 goalie because he simply doesn't have the elite physical skills to make too many game-saving, unbelievable saves... a lot around here expect that from a true #1... I get it... but those guys are so rare and when you can't get one, you can do pretty well with a solid tactician-type goalie. That's what Skinner is.

This is the same organization that also tried to pretend Mikko Koskinen (who may well be better than Skinner) and Ty Conklin were starting goalies.

If we're going to have a very forgiving lens on it, I'd say Calvin Pickard is also fairly "solid" in the same way Skinner is.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Agree with you here.

Skinner is a very solid positional goalie who doesn't make a lot of big bonehead mistakes or miscues. He's predictable.

What he is not is (IMO) a true A+ #1 goalie because he simply doesn't have the elite physical skills to make too many game-saving, unbelievable saves... a lot around here expect that from a true #1... I get it... but those guys are so rare and when you can't get one, you can do pretty well with a solid tactician-type goalie. That's what Skinner is.

Not sure I agree with that at all. He’s constantly out of position.

 

[Soundwave]

Not sure I agree with that at all. He’s constantly out of position.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Skinner has crumbled in both his playoff runs and has floundered at the start of two seasons in a row now.

Skinners near Vezina winning season? I’ll assume that’s just a typo and you meant near Calder winning season.

Wait, when did he crumble last year? Was it the Canucks series? Because I seem to remember us winning that one.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Wait, when did he crumble last year? Was it the Canucks series? Because I seem to remember us winning that one.

We won that series despite Skinner.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

We won that series despite Skinner.

Okay, but we still won it. If he crumbled then we lost the series.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Okay, but we still won it. If he crumbled then we lost the series.

Because pickard had to step in. Or is an 836 sv% good?

 

[OilerTyler]

We won that series despite Skinner.

He had a rough start to the series but was pretty solid in games 6 and 7 after getting a couple games off.

Actually, after being benched for those two games he was pretty fantastic for the rest of the playoffs. He put up a 2.05 GAA and .914 save percentage through his last 15 games. Single handedly stole us game 6 against Dallas too.

None of that really matters this year though as he seems to have taken a step back.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Because pickard had to step in. Or is an 836 sv% good?

No, it's not. But if he crumbled then either we lost that series or Dallas steamrolled him.

It's disingenuous.

He had a rough start to the series but was pretty solid in games 6 and 7 after getting a couple games off.

Actually, after being benched for those two games he was pretty fantastic for the rest of the playoffs. He put up a 2.05 GAA and .914 saved percentage through his last 15 games. Single handedly stole us game 6 against Dallas too.

None of that really matters this year though as he seems to have taken a step back.

Is .914 sv% good?