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[Mr Positive]

It's a bigger gamble betting on Skinner

Skinner doesn't carry a 6.4 aav cap hit on the first year of McDavid's new deal.

Plus Skinner is here. If we get Gibson, that's our one move unless we are talking about hoping for a long shot on the waiver wire or bargain bin. We are talking about burning through or trade pieces and cap hit. If we do get a goalie it's got to be the right move.

Rushing into a move is how we got Campbell. He had red flags too

 

[GOilers88]

Fair, but the Oilers aren't winning the cup with Skinner. Period. People will point to last year and how far the team got, but the Oilers were the highest scoring team in the playoffs, had a historically good PK, the best PP, the Conn Smythe winner, and still lost. And that doesn't make sense until you look at their 901 sv%.

The Skinner experiment has to end. Especially because it's almost certain the Oilers won't replicate all those things I just mentioned. With average goaltending, they win the cup last year. Easily. They will probably need at least above average goaltending this year, and Skinner is not that guy.

I don't perscribe to "will never do it with this guy" or "would have easily done it with someone else".

That's sheer cope and nothing more.

I'm all for upgrading on Stu if there's a deal to be made, but I don't think Gibson is the guy.

 

[Zerotonine]

John Gibson last 3 seasons:

21-22: .904%/3.19GAA/-14.3GSAe
22-23: .899%/3.99GAA/-11.5GSAe
23-24: .888%/3.54GAA/ -9.6GSAe

Total: .898%/3.57GAA/-35.4GSAe

Skinner last 3 seasons:

21-22: .913%/2.62GAA/+.9GSAe
22-23: .914%/2.73GAA/+6.8GSAe
23-24: .905%/2.62GAA/ +2.0GSAe

Total: .910%/2.67GAA/+9.7GSAe

Anyone sitting here shitting on Skinner and arguing to go out and SPEND assets to get John Gibson and his 6.4M contract for another 3 years is either trolling or operating on half a brain.

Absolutely acknowledge Stu has been bad so far this year. But John f***in Gibson ain't it.

Why did you leave out minutes played and shots faced?
Amd let's be real every one knows Gibson has been checked out of Anaheim for years. Ever think maybe a new team sparks his interest again?

 

[Mr Positive]

I don't perscribe to "will never do it with this guy" or "would have easily done it with someone else".

That's sheer cope and nothing more.

I'm all for upgrading on Stu if there's a deal to be made, but I don't think Gibson is the guy.

I agree with what you're saying

I have to say though, that all my years as a fan are telling me that Gibson is much better than his stats, and has it in him to be elite even. It's how he plays. Dostal outperforming him is giving me some pause, but that could be that the league hasn't scouted Dostal enough, which is a massive factor for a goalie. It's why Skinner is struggling now. He's been successfully scouted and he doesn't have the answer.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

John Gibson last 3 seasons:

21-22: .904%/3.19GAA/-14.3GSAe
22-23: .899%/3.99GAA/-11.5GSAe
23-24: .888%/3.54GAA/ -9.6GSAe

Total: .898%/3.57GAA/-35.4GSAe

Skinner last 3 seasons:

21-22: .913%/2.62GAA/+.9GSAe
22-23: .914%/2.73GAA/+6.8GSAe
23-24: .905%/2.62GAA/ +2.0GSAe

Total: .910%/2.67GAA/+9.7GSAe

Anyone sitting here shitting on Skinner and arguing to go out and SPEND assets to get John Gibson and his 6.4M contract for another 3 years is either trolling or operating on half a brain.

Absolutely acknowledge Stu has been bad so far this year. But John f***in Gibson ain't it.

21-22 - Anaheim allowed almost 833 HDC
22-23 Anaheim allowed 1133 HDC
23-24 Anaheim allowed 824 HDC

Even Strength

21-22 - Edmonton allowed almost 769 HDC
22-23 Anaheim allowed 752 HDC
23-24 Anaheim allowed 721 HDC

So Anaheim allowed 548 more HDC in that span. Almost a seasons worth

Scoring chances in general

Anaheim allowed 6382
Edmonton allowed 5616

Anaheim allowed 766 more scoring chances

Gibson is for sure not at the top of my list, but lets not pretend he has been playing in front of some contender like Edmonton

We have to reverse it. What do people think Skinners stats would be in Anaheim?

MUCH MUCH WORSE than Gibson if you flipped them. lol

Shots against?

Anaheim - 6946
Edmonton - 6156

Almost a 800 shot differential

 

[GOilers88]

Why did you leave out minutes played and shots faced?
Amd let's be real every one knows Gibson has been checked out of Anaheim for years. Ever think maybe a new team sparks his interest again?

Let's bring in a guy who has been milking a 6.4 million dollar contract because he decided to check out years ago on his team.

Solid.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I don't perscribe to "will never do it with this guy" or "would have easily done it with someone else".

That's sheer cope and nothing more.

I'm all for upgrading on Stu if there's a deal to be made, but I don't think Gibson is the guy.

So you do not prescribe to watching the game with your pupils? Watching a goalie who moves like a 900 pounder on a TLC show? Can't track pucks? lmao

 

[alphahelix]

Fair, but the Oilers aren't winning the cup with Skinner. Period. People will point to last year and how far the team got, but the Oilers were the highest scoring team in the playoffs, had a historically good PK, the best PP, the Conn Smythe winner, and still lost. And that doesn't make sense until you look at their 901 sv%.

The Skinner experiment has to end. Especially because it's almost certain the Oilers won't replicate all those things I just mentioned. With average goaltending, they win the cup last year. Easily. They will probably need at least above average goaltending this year, and Skinner is not that guy.

The Oilers were a goal away from a cup with Skinner, then they downgraded the defence.

Teams can spend 12 million on a goalie like Shesterkin, thats one formula for low GA. Oilers can’t, with their salary cap composition. But they can mount a competent defence in front of a budget goalie like Skinner and possibly win. (See Chris Osgood?).

Unfortunately our #1 priority this offseason was dismantling both the present and the future of our defence and replacing it with league-min replacement level players.

Budget Goalies + Budget Defence = Bad GA


Simple formula. Save on one or the other, not both.

 

[Soundwave]

Obviously for any kind of Gibson deal Anaheim would be retaining a big chunk of the deal, likely even half.

For them it still makes sense, because they'd be effectively getting us to pay half his salary which is better than them having to pay all of it if Dostal is now their guy.

At 6.4, obviously Gibson is not workable, but 3.2? OK well now you have a lot to think about.

 

[GOilers88]

So you do not prescribe to watching the game with your pupils? Watching a goalie who moves like a 900 pounder on a TLC show? Can't track pucks? lmao

I've been watching for years. Something I've noticed is that the whole team, regardless of personnel, starts in the dregs every single season with lackadaisical play.

Yet every season they seem to level out. Watched the same thing happen with Stu every year. He starts poorly, people scream about his numbers, and they level out by the end of the season. It's the same thing this year. He's an average goalie. Would it be nice to have an above average goalie? Sure. But that's why he only makes 2.6 million a year. Then problem has never been Stu Skinner. The problem has always been there was no plan to ease him in as a starter on a contender with a fanbase that froths at the mouth everytime any little thing goes wrong. There's never been anyone there to push him, and relegate him to backup. Anyone that tells me they honestly think Calvin Pickard is that guy is just taking the piss. Instead of signing Pick for another 2 years they should have grabbed someone capable of maintaining a starters load.

 

[Mr Positive]

Let's bring in a guy who has been milking a 6.4 million dollar contract because he decided to check out years ago on his team.

Solid.

His usual pattern has been to play at a top level and then drop off after his team's chances collapse.

Overall I do think that whoever gets Gibson will discover that he is elite or close to it, but it's not the right gamble for our team right now

We just aren't a team who should hope to ever have a goaltender be a core member of the team. We need to get a tandem who push each other. The dumbest thing we did was keep Pickard. It's not like any org would have moved on from Skinner after our playoffs. I wouldn't want to now. But we should have tried to build a tandem

Maybe we just didn't have the cap space but this was the result. With how Skinner has played the team should make Pickard the new starter but they just don't see him as that

 

[GOilers88]

His usual pattern has been to play at a top level and then drop off after his team's chances collapse.

Overall I do think that whoever gets Gibson will discover that he is elite or close to it, but it's not the right gamble for our team right now

We just aren't a team who should hope to ever have a goaltender be a core member of the team. We need to get a tandem who push each other. The dumbest thing we did was keep Pickard. It's not like any org would have moved on from Skinner after our playoffs. I wouldn't want to now. But we should have tried to build a tandem

Maybe we just didn't have the cap space but this was the result. With how Skinner has played the team should make Pickard the new starter but they just don't see him as that

If Gibson was on an expiring contract I'd have no issue saying let's go. But he isn't. He has term. Enough term you don't know if Anaheim would entertain retaining on it. All on a big caphit.

On a team that people constantly say has character issues, I don't see how rallying for a guy that throws in the towel every year is a legit solution.

 

[Mr Positive]

If Gibson was on an expiring contract I'd have no issue saying let's go. But he isn't. He has term. Enough term you don't know if Anaheim would entertain retaining on it. All on a big caphit.

On a team that people constantly say has character issues, I don't see how rallying for a guy that throws in the towel every year is a legit solution.

It all comes down to how much of a gamble we want to take. If Gibson plays elite for us, then it is an amazing injection of competitiveness at a bargain price, even at the full cap hit.

But if the gamble fails it basically wrecks any chance of being competitive for some time

The general rule, especially with goalies, is that you should try them out before committing term.

So yeah, I do think Gibson is a great bet to take, but just not for our team. We just cannot afford to be wrong

 

[Heavy Dee]

Let's bring in a guy who has been milking a 6.4 million dollar contract because he decided to check out years ago on his team.

Solid.

He was easily considered a top five goalie in his prime. He has the game. Skinner doesn't. It's worth the risk.

If you want a comparable, look at Jonathan Quick. Arguably the best goalie in the league this year. He just needed the right environment.

 

[soothsayer]

The Oilers were a goal away from a cup with Skinner, then they downgraded the defence.

Teams can spend 12 million on a goalie like Shesterkin, thats one formula for low GA. Oilers can’t, with their salary cap composition. But they can mount a competent defence in front of a budget goalie like Skinner and possibly win. (See Chris Osgood?).

Unfortunately our #1 priority this offseason was dismantling both the present and the future of our defence and replacing it with league-min replacement level players.

Budget Goalies + Budget Defence = Bad GA


Simple formula. Save on one or the other, not both.

I've already beaten this horse for a few pages yesterday, but I'll just say he gave up his routine muffin goal in the most important game possible and that was the differen e, after his horrific performance in the first 3 games of the series that put the Oilers in a virtually insurmountable hole.

I just can't believe there are still people who think this is the guy. Maybe they think this Oiler team could be the 2022 Avalanche. And it's unfortunate for the fans and players that the galaxy brain organization probably thinks the same.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

He was easily considered a top five goalie in his prime. He has the game. Skinner doesn't. It's worth the risk.

If you want a comparable, look at Jonathan Quick. Arguably the best goalie in the league this year. He just needed the right environment.

Gibson had the game like 6 years ago. Why would things be different here? He’s going to flip the switch that hasn’t been flipped in half a decade?

 

[Mr Positive]

He was easily considered a top five goalie in his prime. He has the game. Skinner doesn't. It's worth the risk.

If you want a comparable, look at Jonathan Quick. Arguably the best goalie in the league this year. He just needed the right environment.

I agree completely, and add to that goalies tend to age better than any other position. Gibson is only 31. If we got him I'd be very, very happy.

But it's just so much of a risk. We'd be betting the franchise on Gibson almost

I feel like we need to be a bit conservative. Someone like Blackwood is more what we should do

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

If Schwartz is scouting Gibson then stay the f*** away.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

It all comes down to how much of a gamble we want to take. If Gibson plays elite for us, then it is an amazing injection of competitiveness at a bargain price, even at the full cap hit.

But if the gamble fails it basically wrecks any chance of being competitive for some time

The general rule, especially with goalies, is that you should try them out before committing term.

So yeah, I do think Gibson is a great bet to take, but just not for our team. We just cannot afford to be wrong

I’m not sure any contending team is grabbing Gibson at his full cap hit. If we can get him at around 4 and send out skinner it’s only an increase of 1.4 mill. I think we all have goalie ptsd from Campbell. Gibson was always solid behind a decent team and doesn’t come with the mental baggage.

 

[frag2]

I've been watching for years. Something I've noticed is that the whole team, regardless of personnel, starts in the dregs every single season with lackadaisical play.

Yet every season they seem to level out. Watched the same thing happen with Stu every year. He starts poorly, people scream about his numbers, and they level out by the end of the season. It's the same thing this year. He's an average goalie. Would it be nice to have an above average goalie? Sure. But that's why he only makes 2.6 million a year. Then problem has never been Stu Skinner. The problem has always been there was no plan to ease him in as a starter on a contender with a fanbase that froths at the mouth everytime any little thing goes wrong. There's never been anyone there to push him, and relegate him to backup. Anyone that tells me they honestly think Calvin Pickard is that guy is just taking the piss. Instead of signing Pick for another 2 years they should have grabbed someone capable of maintaining a starters load.

 

[GOilers88]

He was easily considered a top five goalie in his prime. He has the game. Skinner doesn't. It's worth the risk.

If you want a comparable, look at Jonathan Quick. Arguably the best goalie in the league this year. He just needed the right environment.

I concede on Quick in the sense that sure, elite talent can always bounce back, but I don't think it's comparable.

Quick is in the absolute perfect environment. He had an awesome year last year too. But he's a backup, to arguably the best goalie in the league. He isn't the guy, the team didn't acquire him expecting to be the guy, he knows he doesn't have to be the guy. He's only played 5 games this year. He's only got a one year deal, and he only makes a fraction of what Gibson makes. This is even after his solid year last year on a sub 1million contract.

But God damn is he killing it.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

If Schwartz is scouting Gibson then stay the f*** away.

Haha I know you hate Schwartz but a goalie like Gibson is how you counter him. Gibson is a long time established starter and multiple time all star. Probably zero chance he takes anything Schwartz says very seriously.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Haha I know you hate Schwartz but a goalie like Gibson is how you counter him. Gibson is a long time established starter and multiple time all star. Probably zero chance he takes anything Schwartz says very seriously.

Schwartz brought us Campbell, I wouldnt trust him to have an eye for a good hot dog never mind a good goalie.

 

[TB12]

Just catching up in this thread and some of the Skinner copium is nauseating. He'd be a mid to OK backup. That's his ceiling right now. Full stop.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Schwartz brought us Campbell, I wouldnt trust him to have an eye for a good hot dog never mind a good goalie.

You need to get over Campbell. I doubt Jackson / bowman listen to Dustin anyways.