Rumor: Rumors and Proposals Thread: "Wrong Side of Heaven, Righteous Side of (Salary Cap) Hell"

[Mr Sakich]

Yeah. I really wonder why he wants to stay in Boston. They're close to rebuilding soon

Hall is a perfect add for a team going into a rebuild. He guarantees at least one first overall pick. Boston is probably going to offer extra in order to get that pick

 

[CornKicker]

I meant it doesn't matter what happens with Neal in regards to whether that poster is going to complain or not. Neal could score 40, and he would be on here whining about it.

yeah but how many assists does he have

 

[ManofSteel55]

And you're choosing to ignore the money he actually wasted.

No I'm not. I just don't believe that buying out a bad contract an old GM signed, signing Turris, and Kassian being slightly overpaid mean that Holland wasn't been doing his job. Has he been perfect? Nope, he's made mistakes. But let's not act like he's destroyed our franchise here.

 

[CornKicker]

i saw a rumor on twitter that the ducks may not protect silvferberg in the expansion draft. that is a good player that can play in the middle 6.

id also look to trading for jakub Vrana

 

[ManofSteel55]

1. 5 Mil Offsheet for Conor Garland (1st + 3rd as compensation)
2. 2nd Rounder for Killorn
3. Tatar 1 Year x 3.5 M
4. Nuge 5 Years x 5M

Top 6 STACKED. We should have some money to throw at few depth pieces and a goalie.

**contingent on Koski/Kass/Neal trade and/or buyout

We'd need to offer more for Killorn I believe. Next years 1st maybe?

 

[McTonyBrar]

i saw a rumor on twitter that the ducks may not protect silvferberg in the expansion draft. that is a good player that can play in the middle 6.

id also look to trading for jakub Vrana

I highly doubt Detroit would look to move Vrana. He's been fantastic for them

 

[CornKicker]

I highly doubt Detroit would look to move Vrana. He's been fantastic for them

i agree, Vrana is a top 5 5v5 goal scorer over the last 2 seasons. Detroit is at rock bottom right now and rebuilding, a caleb jones and a solid pick might sway them to make a deal to help build for the future.

 

[Oilers]

I got faith in Holland. He's only been with the team since May 2019, it takes time to build a good team.

He needs a good off season, no question about that, but I'm 100% not calling for him to go. Our team needs some stability, we can't keep changing GM's and coaches every other year. We've had 4 GM's in the past 8 years and 5 coaches in the past 8 years. That's no way to run a franchise, give these guys a bit of time.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Why not? I wasn't aware of that. Send him to the AHL, then send him down a step further. I wasn't aware that was against the rules now.

Only to the AHL for players on one way contracts

 

[Little Fury]

We had those guys for a while. The powerplay wasn't always the top of the league.

Our special teams actually improved.

We had a top 10 power play in 16-17 and 18-19 so the pieces were already there.

The PK is more about the goaltending than anything else.

And the team somehow got worse at 5v5.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I got faith in Holland. He's only been with the team since May 2019, it takes time to build a good team.

He needs a good off season, no question about that, but I'm 100% not calling for him to go. Our team needs some stability, we can't keep changing GM's and coaches every other year. We've had 4 GM's in the past 8 years and 5 coaches in the past 8 years. That's no way to run a franchise, give these guys a bit of time.

Nobody's calling for him to go, but some people are concerned with his track record the past number of years.

 

[Little Fury]

No I'm not. I just don't believe that buying out a bad contract an old GM signed, signing Turris, and Kassian being slightly overpaid mean that Holland wasn't been doing his job. Has he been perfect? Nope, he's made mistakes. But let's not act like he's destroyed our franchise here.

No one is arguing that.

The argument is he hasn't made significant improvements to the team and that some of his moves like the ones I listed have actually been counterproductive. Lighting $8M on fire and then complaining there's no cap space to improve the team is a little weird.

Everyone seems to think his talent evaluation and decision making will improve now that he has some more cap space and I just don't get it.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Nobody's calling for him to go, but some people are concerned with his track record the past number of years.

The past number of years? He's been here for literally 2 seasons with no money to work with. He made the right choices in keeping Nurse, JP, signing Barrie, Smith, calling Yamamoto and McLeod, trading Lucic. He made mistakes in getting AA, Turris and Kulikov. You're acting like Holland is the only GM in the league that makes mistakes

 

[belair]

We had a top 10 power play in 16-17 and 18-19 so the pieces were already there.

The PK is more about the goaltending than anything else.

And the team somehow got worse at 5v5.

The team had a historically poor special teams unit in 17/18. All-time worst. There's a pretty large range where our special teams can go. Simply expecting results because of 'McDavid factor' is completely idiotic.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

No one is arguing that.

The argument is he hasn't made significant improvements to the team and that some of his moves like the ones I listed have actually been counterproductive. Lighting $8M on fire and then complaining there's no cap space to improve the team is a little weird.

Everyone seems to think his talent evaluation and decision making will improve now that he has some more cap space and I just don't get it.

I'm the most negative poster on this board and I'm not calling for his head, but I will be judging him very harshly on this offseason since we have to start showing some improvement where it counts.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

The past number of years? He's been here for literally 2 seasons with no money to work with. He made the right choices in keeping Nurse, JP, signing Barrie, Smith, calling Yamamoto and McLeod, trading Lucic. He made mistakes in getting AA, Turris and Kulikov. You're acting like Holland is the only GM in the league that makes mistakes

You're right, he has only been here for two years. What team did he GM before us?

 

[belair]

No one is arguing that.

The argument is he hasn't made significant improvements to the team and that some of his moves like the ones I listed have actually been counterproductive. Lighting $8M on fire and then complaining there's no cap space to improve the team is a little weird.

Everyone seems to think his talent evaluation and decision making will improve now that he has some more cap space and I just don't get it.

Almost as weird as suggesting he was 'lighting $8m on fire' when Sekera's $5.5m would've been on the books until this season. Nobody should be complaining about that buyout.

 

[Paralyzer]

The way I look at it, we needed to be considered a legit "Playoff Team" this year. We have accomplished that. We now know how to make the playoffs. This year we need to be called "Playoff Contenders" and actually be able to make it farther in the Playoffs, then the year after, our goal should be "Cup Contenders". I get the urgency around here, but at the same time, we are nailing things off our checklist every year. If you expected more than "Playoff Team", you made your expectations WAY too high.

 

[Little Fury]

The team had a historically poor special teams unit in 17/18. All-time worst. There's a pretty large range where our special teams can go. Simply expecting results because of 'McDavid factor' is completely idiotic.

No, it's actually totally reasonable to expect a PP with two players of McDrai's calibre to be a top 10 unit, but that doesn't mean outliers don't happen.

 

[Little Fury]

Almost as weird as suggesting he was 'lighting $8m on fire' when Sekera's $5.5m would've been on the books until this season. Nobody should be complaining about that buyout.

Assuming he couldn't have traded him with salary retention. But even if you give him that move, there are enough other whiffs to make my point.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

This is a guy that I hope the Oilers go hard after. I would be happy with one of Ullmark, Driedger or Mrazek depending on price.

Ullmark had a 0.861 high danger save % and a 0.937 save percent at 5 on 5. Buffalo was 2nd in the NHL in goals against and a big reason for that was having a 26th placed PK and a league worst 33.7 shots against a game. He would be a prime candidate to have better success in a new environment.

Driedger and Mrazek had better 5v5 save percentages but also had better teams in front of them. Mrazek had a smaller sample size so I'm not sure his numbers are sustainable over more games and Driedger has a lower HDSV%

I can see Seattle being in on Ulmark and the underlaying analytics you’re referenced. But I hope the Oil get a shot a signing him. They need a medium-long-term elite goaltender to backstop a hopefully emerging team.

Dreidger is in the mix but I’d like more track in terms of NHL results before loading up the money & term. Mrazek is fine but this team needs a lead dog who will grow with this team’s hopeful progression.

Mertz in Columbus along with Ulmark are the two I’d target. But the acquisition cost of the former will prevent him being an Oiler imo. Would love to be wrong though.

Unique opportunity for a sub 30 goalie to play with and learn from Smith then take the reigns of a hopeful Cup contender in two - three years.

Oil need this core position filled.

 

[Little Fury]

I'm the most negative poster on this board and I'm not calling for his head, but I will be judging him very harshly on this offseason since we have to start showing some improvement where it counts.

Same here. I don't see where the optimism is coming from from some quarters, though.

 

[Little Fury]

The way I look at it, we needed to be considered a legit "Playoff Team" this year. We have accomplished that. We now know how to make the playoffs. This year we need to be called "Playoff Contenders" and actually be able to make it farther in the Playoffs, then the year after, our goal should be "Cup Contenders". I get the urgency around here, but at the same time, we are nailing things off our checklist every year. If you expected more than "Playoff Team", you made your expectations WAY too high.

Every year you're not contending for the Cup with mcDavid and Drasaitl is a wasted year.

 

[Faelko]

You're right, he has only been here for two years. What team did he GM before us?

Multiple cup winners…

 

[Little Fury]

Multiple cup winners…

Now do this decade.