Rozsival and Malik
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Synergy27
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Malik and Rozsival benefitted greatly from that Straka-Nylander-Jagr line. That 5-some was out there ALOT together, and didnt have to play much defense thanks to the forwards' dominance. I also think Roszival was one of the most underrated Rangers post-lockout - the guy was very solid for this team.
The rest of those teams, outside of Lundqvist, stunk. But theres something to be said for a team commitment to defense, which most of those other players had.
The rest of those teams, outside of Lundqvist, stunk. But theres something to be said for a team commitment to defense, which most of those other players had.
sark76
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I had no big problems with either of these guys when they were on the team. I think they were both goats for the fans. Course back then we actually had Offensive players that could score goals. The player from those years that drove me the most nuts was the broken Hossa bother. It was like that movie "Twins" and we got Danny Devito. How is even possible he was related Marion? The guy missed so many golden opps and empty nets.
If only those Jagr teams had a pair as good as this McD-Girardi pairing.. a trip to the finals wouldn't have been out of the question.
Gardner McKay
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Rozsival was playing at worst like a top 4 dman. Malik... well that is a can of worms I won't open. They didn't have to play defense a vast majority of the time because of the dominance of Jagr, Nylander and Straka.
Straka - Nylander - Jagr
Helped to take a lot of pressure off our defense when they were on the ice. That said, I agree, Rozsi and Malik were under appreciated.
Our team struggles the last two years because we don't have the offensive punch we had with that team. The above mentioned line, plus a 30 goal Prucha on the power play.
Jagr, Nash is not. Nash could be, but he doesn't have the fortitude to bring his A game on a consistent basis. People can say what ever fallacies they want about Jags, but he was never a lazy player here. He may have started to wear down a little, but he was always a threat. Nash vanishes for stretches.
We don't have a 90 point center that controls the puck the way Nylander did.
One could argue Zuccarello's value = Straka. But not really.
Our goaltending is the same. Defense corp is far better. But our forwards are not even close.
Helped to take a lot of pressure off our defense when they were on the ice. That said, I agree, Rozsi and Malik were under appreciated.
Our team struggles the last two years because we don't have the offensive punch we had with that team. The above mentioned line, plus a 30 goal Prucha on the power play.
Jagr, Nash is not. Nash could be, but he doesn't have the fortitude to bring his A game on a consistent basis. People can say what ever fallacies they want about Jags, but he was never a lazy player here. He may have started to wear down a little, but he was always a threat. Nash vanishes for stretches.
We don't have a 90 point center that controls the puck the way Nylander did.
One could argue Zuccarello's value = Straka. But not really.
Our goaltending is the same. Defense corp is far better. But our forwards are not even close.
Also, i believe scoring overall league wide has dipped since the 05-06 season. Coaches have learned, defensive systems are prominent again like they were before the lockout.
We still don't have a #1 center that controls the game, we don't have enough size on the wings.
McDonagh is blossoming into a point producer, but we could still use an offensive defenseman that controls the power play from the point.
We still don't have a #1 center that controls the game, we don't have enough size on the wings.
McDonagh is blossoming into a point producer, but we could still use an offensive defenseman that controls the power play from the point.
Agree with this. A lot. And its hard to build sustained chemistry when the demented old GM constantly keeps turning over the roster.
eco's bones
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Rozsival was definitely overrated as an offensive D at least by some people. He was a steady for the most part solid right D. Putting up 40 point seasons with tons of pwp time and a lethal pwp in front of him. The Rangers didn't have any real good offensive D. He was not particularly a great skater. Compared to the Rangers #1 D today Girardi. Girardi>Rozsival. Malik was huge with great reach. He had a bad tendency at times to grab someone and get holding penalties--also got caught hooking a bit. You can't say that really about McDonagh, Staal or Girardi. Both McD and Staal are superior left defense players to Malik. Marek wasn't an easy player to play against though.
But I don't think outside of the 05-06 team we were not a juggernaut scoring team, if you want to strictly talk about possession that is NOT a problem of this team. However, I feel like those teams' possession was more concentrated on the Jagr line, while this one is on the whole team and is more of a credit to the coach.
Possession is one thing, being able to out score your opponent is another.
We have also out shot our opponent a ton this season. Doesn't mean the puck will go in. Some guys have an ability to get the puck past the goaltender. Other guys shoot the puck mid chest.
To be fair, Rozsival and Malik helped that group of five not have to play defense a lot because they could move the puck quite well to the forwards.
Rozsival got a lot of unnecessary crap I think and in general was a good player for the Rangers...in fact I would have taken him back a couple of years ago when he was an UFA. He's not very fast but he's a pretty smart player that moves the puck effectively.
Malik also moved the puck well but his mobility was an ugly thing and he probably benefited more than Rozsival by playing with that top Jagr line.
05-06 was a wild aberration in terms of scoring totals. There were so many power plays and teams were still adjusting to the new rule enforcement so it was like open season out there. So many power play points, so many goals scored because defensemen and teams in general didn't have a plan to slow down opposing forwards without the obstruction and hooking/holding they used to do. Scoring quickly fell back to more normal levels after that year as coaches figured out better strategies.
Scoring was still a little different in 07 but the Rangers top line still all had 70 points or more each, Jagr scored 30 goals and 3 others were within striking distance of 30 goals. Shanahan scored 62 points in 67 games while being centered by Matt Cullen of all people
However they had little depth and yeah were right about league average for offense
07-08 they plummeted towards the bottom of the league at 25th overall in goals for per game. Lost a lot of the top end goal scoring ability...Jagr was just OK, Straka was injured some and didn't put up a lot of points. Gomez had a good year but in general the rest of the roster was just kind of "eh"
That said the stats this season don't really look any better, the scoring expectation of the league has just changed I think
That 07-08 team went through scoring droughts reminiscent of our first 10 games what seemed like regularly and without the "new system" excuse. I don't know what was up with that. That team IMO is one team that rivals the talent up front that this team has but they IMO never lived up to their potential and I think the 06-07 team was better. I don't know what it was about that 06-07 team they played with so much heart and had a few games where the just bludgeoned opponents during a critical stretch. I went to a game on April 1, 2007 when at the time Toronto was like the Metro this year winning all the time and we just destroyed them 7-2, it wasn't even close.
Replacing Nylander with Gomez didn't help I think...Jagr and Straka had great chemistry with Nylander and never really seemed to have that with Gomez. Drury actually had a good season and for the first time in a long time the Rangers actually had 3 solid centers on paper (Gomez with 70 points, Drury with 58 points, Dubinsky with 40...it's not awesome but it's solid 1st, 2nd, and 3rd C production).
Jagr was also declining a bit I think and the change in the team makeup didn't help. Shanahan also was pretty "done" that year and Prucha fell off a cliff. Just not a lot of consistent scoring and I seem to remember you couldn't rely on one line to pick up the slack if others were slumping (which I feel like you kind of can with this years team).
Still better than the 08-09 team! Started off fairly promising but ended up with the team quitting on Renney and sliding into the playoffs under Torts and then flaming out in the first round by blowing a 3-1 series lead against Washington.
Also the year of Nik Zherdev and Marcus Naslund! And Aaron Voros
Jagr was also declining a bit I think and the change in the team makeup didn't help. Shanahan also was pretty "done" that year and Prucha fell off a cliff. Just not a lot of consistent scoring and I seem to remember you couldn't rely on one line to pick up the slack if others were slumping (which I feel like you kind of can with this years team).
Still better than the 08-09 team! Started off fairly promising but ended up with the team quitting on Renney and sliding into the playoffs under Torts and then flaming out in the first round by blowing a 3-1 series lead against Washington.
Also the year of Nik Zherdev and Marcus Naslund! And Aaron Voros
Replacing Nylander with Gomez didn't help I think...Jagr and Straka had great chemistry with Nylander and never really seemed to have that with Gomez. Drury actually had a good season and for the first time in a long time the Rangers actually had 3 solid centers on paper (Gomez with 70 points, Drury with 58 points, Dubinsky with 40...it's not awesome but it's solid 1st, 2nd, and 3rd C production).
Jagr was also declining a bit I think and the change in the team makeup didn't help. Shanahan also was pretty "done" that year and Prucha fell off a cliff. Just not a lot of consistent scoring and I seem to remember you couldn't rely on one line to pick up the slack if others were slumping (which I feel like you kind of can with this years team).
Still better than the 08-09 team! Started off fairly promising but ended up with the team quitting on Renney and sliding into the playoffs under Torts and then flaming out in the first round by blowing a 3-1 series lead against Washington.
Also the year of Nik Zherdev and Marcus Naslund! And Aaron Voros
Yeah Aaron Voros... I remember thinking if there's anything ever in the history of the NHL being unsustainable is that talentless hack scoring at a PPG pace.
Whiplash27
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Put that line at their ages back then on this team and it would be a powerhouse. Too bad things didn't align like that.
Ehh, Im skeptical. The one monster season that line had was '05-06 when the rules of the game were in disarray. They took full advantage, particularly of the absurd amount of powerplays that were awarded that year.
Another often overlooked aspect of that season was the ridiculous off-side rule that didnt allow a player to dump it back in if a teammate was still in the zone. Led to a lot of blunders in the neutral zone and more scoring. One positive about that stupid rule is it helped weed out defenseman who had no business being in the league other than their fists.
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